Ricci

......that judging a candidates true ability by seeing his marksheet is like judging a sportcar by how much groceries it can carry .

Been idle at home for a few months now since finishing graduation ( BCS - Bachelor in Computer Science , now named BSc Computer Science ) . I;ve also done a coupe of software courses ( programming and administration , and software testing ) . Shouldve done a masters too but education isn;t cheap .

All the companies want experienced guys . With first class throughout . Hardly do I see an ad for freshers . How does a fresher get experience if no one hires him ? Or were all thos HR guys born with a frigging degree and knowledge of all programming languages ? You gotta learn , and learning is most profound when you know why you learn what you learn . And that why is never answered in college , in theory . That's why even the best students forget what they learnt in college .

The hardest thing to find these days is your first job . India is so overpopulated and saturated that IT cos can pick and choose from dozens of potentials for one seat ; everyone wants a first class BE or MCA-MCS graduate . Eduaction isn't cheap either , not is it really effective from a career POV .

Spoke to some people who've done MCM ( master in computer management ) - turns out they don't have any different subjects ( C , S/W development lifecyle , Oracle , )except one business related one compared to BCS , yet the damn stamp of having a post graduate degree gets them jobs . Just the stamp . Some big companies even choose engineers - mech , prodcution , who aren't computer science students , just for the stamp of engineer .

I used to have a few BE Computer Science friends , all distinction chaps - and they too said what is taught in college is mostly not of use or far inadequate ; one only actually learns when you start working . And they too had forgotten much of what they learn in college , except what they used on the job . What is taught in college is not even 5% of the total . Just enough to begin , to enable students to continue independently one the basics are taught .
And does anyone remember that over 50% of college professors themselves failed in State/National eligibility tests for professors ? In the very subjects they taught ?
Hell , one of our professors learnt something from me once about writing Oracle queries . If they themselves are so unlearned , how are they teaching us ? And does anyone know how much cheating there is in exams ? Many of my classmates passed and even got good marks this way - and they didn;t really know much more than me . And yet our employers want to see the marksheet and rely so much on it .

My cousin too is a BE Computer Science , now he's working , having finished training in a company and tooped his training batch . But earlier he'd been for a company interview , where the techincal folsk were happy with his skills , knowdledge , performance . He should have got the job - but didn't . HR guys said he had a year down in engineering . Stupid reason , especially when technical guys are happy with him , turning him down for the job was stupid .

I'm no genius with computers , I admit I don;t know half as much as my cousin but I know when you actually start working is when you actually start learning . And don;t these guys understand motivation ? Heck anyone wil learn with suffiecient motivation and incentive . Like a salary .

I tried to get myself to practice more programming at home . Doesnt work . Too many distractions . No salary . But had I been employed , the salary and the environment would help me learn much much faster .

What do I know ? C , C++ , VB6 , ASP , CGO-Perl , HTML/DHTML , Javascript , VBScript , Oracle 8 , PL/SQL , COBOL , NT serve administration , IIS , MTS , Site server adminsitration . The syllabus isn't very comprehensive but learn enough to grow and learn .

Did even learn VC++ but the teacher himself was poor at it so I don;t know jacksh!t about VC++ , not even a bare basic program , but heck if my job requires it I'll spend nights up learning VC++ .

I keep hearing so much about soft skills and human relations beign big things these days . Bull**** . HR chaps are nothin but asslickers . All they do is look as marksheets in an sysem proven inefficient and incapable of turning out a capable workforce . They don't even realise that the fundamental reason for human succesi adaptability . Give even a Arts student 6 months training in programming and if he's good , he'll surpass engineers in programming . All it needs is time , commitment and incentive .
But the employers want readymade workers who know everything .

Some years back an ad " Think out of the box " was aired by a s/w company . Fools don;t even realise that our very education system it trying to force every student to conform to poor standards and trying to put each and every student into a box . The very same box these companys claim to want to think out of .

Gentlemen - this is how they create virus writers and hackers . I bet there are 14 year old kids who'll run rings around their best experiences programmers , yet these companies still want a consistent excellent academic record with a BE/MCS/MCA degree .

Einstein , Newton , Edison - all academically poor but went on tobecome great scientists . Yet people never learn . For every Einstein , there are perhaps 5 more Einsteins that never got the opportunity to excel and died , wasted brains and all . Only becasue the people around them in power failed to recognise that beneath all the dull layers of skin lies a brain that could change the world . Only because some people are too stupid to recognise another's intellect .

Any surprise why you find some really awesome brains turn to crime ?
I guess I might as well become a human answering machine and pick up any call centre job and use the money I earn to learn to write viruses and hacking . If they can't put my mind to good use , I have no choice but to put it to bad use .

Go on , hire more academically well off chaps who might do well in theory but not necessarily in reality , go on , hire more reservation quota for girls who wil eventually leave that job but nevertheless keep some guys from getting the seats that matter . But if I'm half the genius my good friends think I am , those companies are going to get a good lesson from losers like me someday . You create your bed , you sleep in it.

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nfsnfs

yeah every one asks for damn exper.. it is better to start something self than to depend on some stupid sucking job...
If i have decent money ,i would have started a bike company of mine...
How about everyone pool in a start a bike company ,i think in xbhp we have all engineers ,designers,conceptulaisers,enthusiatics,etc etc..
Hr r real dumbbers ...i have lost many about-to-get-jobs due to those hrs...
In life working under someone is real a pain in the ass rather than doing some thing urelf ..

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cathode

count me in when you want to start a company.. i am a game developper!!! and those are nice boobies NFSNFS

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Ricci

NFS : I'd like to start my own compnay as well but sad truth is any business requires money . I know peopel give examples of Ambani and such who became successful with little money - but those circumstances are diferent - lack of particular commodity and no players makes is easy to capture a market as there is no competition . And luck is a huge factor - Ambani may be successful with small start but so many businessmen fail even with huge investment .

If I could network say 500 students to invest say 10000 each and get asome sponsors , I could at least start a s/w firm but a bike factoty ? We're talking crores here .

The sad truth is that to earn money you need to have money in the forst place ( even as student - medical , MBA fees touch lakhs ; engineering paid seats too ). Money attracts more money .

Any guys who do know s/w companies who do hire freshers pleae PM me their name/address/contac details . Or any good employment consultants .

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Aby

Hey buddy may I know ur real name n the college u passed out from and whereabouts coz if I think u were there at the strike held a couple of years back. Even I was a part of it. I was into B.Sc. Comp. Sci. (Hons.).

And I agree with u that finging a job without a post grad degree n experience isnt easy too. But keep looking for one coz one should never lose hope. It isnt easy but it isnt impossible. Infact impossible itself says "I M POSSIBLE". Best of luck bro. May u find a good job.

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akshay_ac

it's a viscious cycle : no experience? no job.
no job? no experience.

ecstasy_alokdas

hey ricci dont loose heart... i very much agree with the things u've said... gettin a gud job is gettin difficult these days.. but we should never give up.. believe in yourself.. if u know that u are better than anyone else then u dont have to keep on proving to everyone that u are the best.... time will prove itself...but u have to be patient and keep trying for things.. but if u think there are people who are way ahead of you... try to find out, what are the reasons that they are ahead of u... and dont ever be jealous of anyone.... jiski jaisi kismat... feeling jealous will only let u down... success and failure are part of life.... if we never get failed...we will eventually never try to improve ourselves... dont worry buddy SAB THEEK HO JAEGA.........BUT U NEVER LOOSE UR HEART AND KEEP TRYING.

Sunny

ricci send me ur resume, are you willing to relocate to delhi ( condition : you have to rev harder here ), i dont know but i think i saw ur resume somewhere, some suggestions from me :

you are very good at writing, some companies that i have worked with in software like GE require technical writers for framing content which us GDs make, you will perfectly fit into that category. believe me SE is not an easy job, it sucks your life force, exploitation etc. you will be much better off and in high command if you choose technical writing. i will communicate more with you via PM.

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ashvinnadig

hmm...Ricci....

Findin a job ain't easy.......i agree....

Get hold of peepl u know arnd n look out for that break..........

n yeah abt those VirusWriters --
Here's their profile -
Profession-VirusWriter/Hacker
Age 16-22 years.
High-School dropout.
Does'nt have a date.

Advice for girls: Stay away from 'em...or we wont get viruses !!!!

hee hee....

poor_guy_despobiker

dont b disheartened .hr guys really sucks.since ur from comp. sci. start throwing ur resumes online on company's site and i m sure u will get a call .my frens r getting call and also college name also matters.but many open test r held daily for s/w in gurgaon and delhi and noida.dont loose heart.see my login name and u will also understand the problem with me.