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    You know, i won a brand new RTR 180 ABS last month in a facebook contest and there was a question in that quiz as "what do you expect from TVS"
    Among a few lines i told them "Id love to be part of their R&D someday and help build locally made indigenous bikes that can go toe to toe with the Foreign maals". I actually thought that line somehow inspired them to pick me as the winner.

    Now i don't see that thing happening since TVS just fell two level down on my priority list with this horrible work of theirs.

    It would take me less than 3 weeks(if i were working for TVS) to come up with a better design in 3d apps on the existing frame without altering the weight or the design flow of the older RTR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiastic View Post
    Its not in the segment of these bikes. 160 would compete with the 150cc bikes (barring R15 ofcourse) and 180 would compete with the P180.

    I disagree with the bold parts. Firstly the UG1, UG2 etc. were always positive changes and they bettered the bike not only aesthetically but also in the engine dept. They added many features subsequently (digi speedo, DTSi, split handlebars, better alloys, better colors) with power bump and the changes were always appreciated but this one is just south pole in comparison.
    Also R15 V2 new colors provide good aesthetic looks. The Pulsar speedlines were also better in looks than the older versions and Bajaj was no vocal about it like TVS is now. And this is a negative change which spoilt everyones mood.

    Yes you may say after it is revealed that they are just pilot lamps but the ways TVS showcased it anyone would take it for a dual lamps. Now it can't be if we dont expect just anything out of TVS. What so big about pilot lamps in this era that TVS is being so vocal about it. Complete stupidity and fooling the fans.

    Yes it looks disproportionate. It kinda looks like a bigger flame to me. The tank scoops are a direct put on from the Flame. The front fender coloring and 3d logo of 180 takes inspirations from Pulsar 200NS. The Indian Flag logo is a copy from Ducati bikes. Also the front tank scoop and the headlight look weired. Coloring is unimpressive. The hyperedge TVS stickers were so impressive. Much better than this one.

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    I agree with everything else but this upgrade is not even remotely like Pulsar 150 UG1 - UG2 - UG3 - UG4 - UG4.5 - With Speedlines

    Each one of the proper UGs was a slight bump in peak power and always backed by an overall smoother product.

    RTR was an all new product after the old Apache 150 which was launched in late 2008-early 2009. Lets call it Classic.
    Hyper-Edge was a mid-life upgrade and there was no bump in power. This was launched in 2011. Fair enough, lets call this UG1. (BTW, Pulsar got a DTSi treatment in UG1, with a 1 bhp bump alongwith increased FE, and an improved gearbox.)
    New upgrade is also a mid-life upgrade, no upgrade in horsepower / torque again. BUT, after just 1 year of a mid life upgrade, why did they want to launch another 'non upgrade' with so much fanfare? Lets call it UG2 (Or is it UG1.5?). (BTW, with UG2, Pulsar 150 got an industry first feature: Digital Instrumentation console AND a 0.5 bhp bump)

    Clearly, the general public has been spoilt by the way BAL goes about upgrading products. The only BAL bikes which got teasers were the 135LS and 200NS, which are 'ALL NEW' products. Just because other people are giving teasers doesn't mean you should too. They have invested enough in RnD to be able to give worthwhile teasers which do not end in disappointment like this. If you compare the current upgrade to the Speedlines, Speedlines edition never got teasers, neither did Black-Orange combo Pulsars.
    Apache
    RTR
    160 with design upgrade with the air scoops
    160 with FI
    160 with rear discs
    180
    Hyperedge - Which has a much smoother engine
    180 with ABS

    Are you sure these are useless upgrades?

    And within this upgrades theres a lot of nifty little changes that happened int he bike. Ask a TVS owner maybe, they would say.
    To cite some
    the first generation RTRs and the last generation RTR before the hyperedge has a lot of internal changes. Right from the alloy being used in the drain nut base plate, to small design changes and parts inside the crank case.

    And here you go,
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    I had mentioned that it were pilot lamps RIGHT after the initial scoops pictures surfaced.... The new LEDs are probably thier biggest design change (which is perhaps why they even teased it with this graphic design illustration)


    PS: Karizma was the first bike to have a monogram and not P200NS
    PPS: Ofcourse the flag is a ducati ripoff, does that make it bad? The clutch and disk brake cable layout from Pulsars are a ducati ripoff does that make them bad? NO!

    I agree on the disproptionate build despite being a RTR fan, I hate the design change. Its a clear rip off to take on the FZ with its BIG bulky tank. Probably even the P200NS is.

    But the rest of the subtle changes are pretty neat. Especially the split footpegs. I think these would probably help in dampening the vibes too :P

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    Inspired by Suzuki Zeus !!!!!!!

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    @satyenpoojary - my cousin had bought a hyperedge last year , n i have the pre -hyper rtr . engine feels the same not smoother AT ALL . the 160 with fi was a big letdown with injector failures and fuel pump failures plaquing LOTS of owners at xbhp and outside . not to mention the their speedo consoles that for years having being going kaput ........ i myself have changed mine twice . i thing i like is that hopefully with new design the rear footpegs wont vibrate which was a big embarrasment and makes pillion ride quite uncomfortable . and the 180 and 180 abs are different varients , not an upgrade

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    ^Yup, I have the first generation RTR *160* too. The list was just about what all changes happened in the product lifecycle.... When the Hyperedge was launched, I got a test ride for a fair distance. We were told that the engine is now compliant to the more stringent pollution norms, and so we tested it out. Not just me but my other friends who have RTR found it to be much more smoother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan.virgo View Post
    Inspired by Suzuki Zeus !!!!!!!

    OMG Even Zeus has 2 wheels, Seat, head lamp,petrol tank and a tail light , OMG new apache is a total Rip off !!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanie View Post
    engine feels the same not smoother AT ALL
    No Hyper edge is infact a lot smoother.
    I can cruise around easily in 60-70s all day which is where most of the previous bikes had vib issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satyenpoojary View Post
    Apache
    RTR
    160 with design upgrade with the air scoops
    160 with FI
    160 with rear discs
    180
    Hyperedge - Which has a much smoother engine
    180 with ABS

    Are you sure these are useless upgrades?
    After your previous post on the same thread, How achaanakly (==suddenly) RTR180 became an RTR160 incremental upgrade? Did anyone here count the 220Fi/200NS as an incremental upgrade of the P150?

    As for RTR160 Rear Disc, it was never a new version. The Drum version wasn't discountinued. Same case as optional front disc on a Discover 125. Also AFAIK right now, there is no Rear Disc variant of the RTR160 for sale right now (Now available only on FI).
    Sources:
    http://www.tvsapache.com/160-refresh.html
    http://www.tvsapache.com/160-fi.html
    Quote Originally Posted by satyenpoojary View Post
    And within this upgrades theres a lot of nifty little changes that happened int he bike. Ask a TVS owner maybe, they would say.
    To cite some
    the first generation RTRs and the last generation RTR before the hyperedge has a lot of internal changes. Right from the alloy being used in the drain nut base plate, to small design changes and parts inside the crank case.
    There is nothing new in a manufacturer making nifty little changes in the motorcycle without being vocal about it. My P220 is different from Pads' / Vkavadia's P220 which is different from the speedlines P220. As an owner of the 1st Gen P220 carb, I can tell the difference. And when considering the differences, I am also talking about are internal, not sticker/paint jobs like speedlines.

    If you ask a certain Aditya Bhelke, Payeng or Praful about the unpublicised changes that happened in the P220 Fi from 2007 to 2009, you wouldn't believe that BAL was making internal changes to the bike practically every second week .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kantu View Post
    OMG Even Zeus has 2 wheels, Seat, head lamp,petrol tank and a tail light , OMG new apache is a total Rip off !!!

    No Hyper edge is infact a lot smoother.
    I can cruise around easily in 60-70s all day which is where most of the previous bikes had vib issues.
    yes rtrs have improved a lot when it comes to refinement but one of my personal experience as a pillion i found myself the original engine of the suzuki fiero more refined although it felt a little under powered than the apache 150 n rtr's units. it seems tvs was able to make more power out of that original suzuki based units but seem to have destroyed that engine's refinement and finesse in the process.hmm i guess some things have to be compromised for other things.

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    I found this pic on facebook i think it is a 180 without ABS
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.N.abhijit View Post
    I found this pic on facebook i think it is a 180 without ABS
    You think its 180 ?? I think its hand made at home !!

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