fast_ferocious

lolz, edited the typo thx

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Braveheart

Yaar in this ... price debate thats happening... there is no mention of the quality and consistency of products.
I know the production processes for a car and i know better quality demands much higher inputs to production, so increases the cost. but there is absolutely no increase in features, only reliability and life increases. honda and yamaha are world renowned in their quality and being an owner of fz and having seen unicorns i know these are one of the best quality bikes. ya there are some inconsistencies esp in fz coz its new and the production line takes a few months to come to its best shapes where workers get enough experience and stuff..

to sum up my point is that features are not the only things that dictate the price of a motorcycle, quality and demand are the other factors. no vehicle manufacturer builds and invests crores to please people or charity, they want to regenerate that money again ASAP. this is manufacturing industry .... wake up guys.... not a bike world...
as far as tvs and pulsars are concerned... they are grossly inconsistent in their production and quality. its far sub-standard. thats where they save their money and give the bikes cheap. u can't rely on a pulsar after 5 years i guess.. i ve seen a lot in a bad shape. and ya they do not invest in innovation R&D and trials, so they save crores there too. in indian terms they do "jugaad"

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Braveheart

i don'e know why people are do worried about the 2k bump.

the company wants money guys and they say if you feel it is over priced then you don't buy it. It is for the people who treasure it.
Bike means performance for sure... but it means more to me like a baby. I like it i will give... there is no point putting 2 models in the same price and eat up each others share. price difference is just to make sure that. and it doesn't mean that a full fairing will cost 8k more.
what i feel is there is some engine mod coz if its just fairing... they wouldn't be testing it so much.
fz - fi at 80-82 k on road is what i can put my money in...

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Devilpulsarian

Quite an overstatement.................!

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Braveheart

warranty can not be eliminated even by ferrari coz this is an inherent bug in any production process. Any one who has studied process engineering will tell you that.
Its the question of how many efforts have you put in to restrict them and efforts cost money and increase the price. this is termed as increasing reliability.

bprags -come on guys, stop insulting the indian companies by using cheap words. They are still new companies as far as manufacturing bikes is concerned, they will need a few more years to get the reliability etc absolutely right. Honda & Yam have decades of exp and that shows in their products.

-- any company can hire consultants to improve production quality --- but they should be ready to shell out money that will impact their price. then there won't be pulsars for such mean price. but they will last years together.

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Braveheart

its not an overstatement.. if you go into details of production processes in indian companies they are hugely behind in quality...
they don't even have set totally reliable standards. this is what costs dude...
n m not against bajaj... its their concious decision... they want to keep the price of their bikes low... thats their aim. this is how this industry works

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insanebiker

Oh yeah. Thats why Pulsars and Apaches were manufactured solely by Indians. And that is why both have seen many upgrades and improvements over each upgrade.

And another brand does R&D with paints and stickers. Irony is it? Any Kinder garten kid will do that if given a set of crayons!

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abhijeet080808

Guys here who are wondering about quality, let me give a practical observation made by me regarding paint quality in some bikes -

R15/FZ16 - Have you seen the paint quality of the cycle parts (suspension forks, alloys, footrests etc). I can tell you they are the WORST among any Indian bikes. How do I know? I have seen R15/FZ16s in their first servicing having chipped paints all over. Not a single bike, but around 5 bikes in a space of 2 hrs at the SVC.

HH - Have you ever seen HH paint quality closely? Look at the tank on any HH bikes - you will know what I am talking about. The paint has some sort of uneven finish on the surface. If you do not get it, compare CBZ Xtreme tank with say Pulsar tank. Cycle parts, I suppose no need to explain here.

And another thing - have you seen the stickers used in the new limited editions from HH - they actually have air bubbles in them!

By far, i have found Bajaj, Suzuki to have better paint quality over these "quality" manufacturers. The finish is excellent and lasts long too. I am sure this tells something about the overall product quality from various manufacturers.

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dual disc 200

^^+1 I Agree. Yes, currently BAJAJ, SUZUKI and TVS are the companies that offer some of the best Paint jobs interms of quality and not to forget HONDA in their UNICON's Engine bay!

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shark80

Have you seen the paint quality in Honda Unicorn? or CBF Stunner? lol!