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Old 07-03-2009, 11:13 PM   #471 (permalink)
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The RTR 180 has an introductory ex showroom price of around Rs. 64,500.. therefore at 72K, the Yamaha Fazer would roughly be 7K costlier than the RTR180.
Ohh ... I didn't know this.

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My heart actually goes out to the Apache RTR180.. just remember the buzz it had generated online when it was code named as the "Menace"..
Same here .. that is the bike at that price.
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:33 PM   #472 (permalink)
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@all bike is launching on 6th july how can we come to an conclusion that the price is 82k lets wait for the official confirmation !
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:47 PM   #473 (permalink)
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Yamaha may not want its bikes to be ridden with mass market appeal.

All Yamaha products have always been over priced right?
Its like Jazz car from Honda..they have not made it like any other hatch back.Price is way above the rest.
A Jazz customer is different..well that TV Advt with the lovely song
(someone please inform the details about the song, album, singer etc..please) seems to suggest this point of view !
Same is the case with the R15 and FZ right?
Think of an R 15 priced at 80K..think who would buy them..now look at who buys them..any sense
Well I dont know about their economics and financials...maybe they see more revenues in catering to select clients than go mass market.. Dont they need money???
But one thing is clear the big guns are slowly waking up from their sleep...well you know who and all...
It looks like within a span of a couple of years lots of true bikers are going to emerge from our India !!!

Anyways got 2 pics from the net..(google all the way)
FZ and Fazer..would love to do it in 150 guise...
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:00 AM   #474 (permalink)
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@all bike is launching on 6th july how can we come to an conclusion that the price is 82k lets wait for the official confirmation !
friend price of fazer is confirmed,try to ask any yamaha dealership,i am sure you will get the answer.This bike really looks very good but it should have more powerful engine for its great looks.It seems that it is neither here or there,means it dosent even have high performance and also is very pricey.Actually i was planning to add this one with my R15,but i guess now i have to settle with the naked looks of FZ16
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:01 AM   #475 (permalink)
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thats because people here are more interested in looks rather than performance
I dont quite agree dude..
indian market welcomes all kind of bikes..seriously
even R15
isnt that performance bike..
ppl are splashin almost 10-15k more than on paper more pwrful bikes to get one of them..

FZ16...i seriously feel..it was the bike..made keepin target buyers interested in looks and exclusivity..so..no wonder we bought it..even it was some 6-7 grands more than usual 150cc bike..and givin almost 10ltr less milage..even when petrol rates were 50 rs /ltr..

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Yamaha may not want its bikes to be ridden with mass market appeal.

All Yamaha products have always been over priced right?
Its like Jazz car from Honda..they have not made it like any other hatch back.Price is way above the rest.
A Jazz customer is different..well that TV Advt with the lovely song
(someone please inform the details about the song, album, singer etc..please) seems to suggest this point of view !
Same is the case with the R15 and FZ right?
Think of an R 15 priced at 80K..think who would buy them..now look at who buys them..any sense
Well I dont know about their economics and financials...maybe they see more revenues in catering to select clients than go mass market.. Dont they need money???
But one thing is clear the big guns are slowly waking up from their sleep...well you know who and all...
It looks like within a span of a couple of years lots of true bikers are going to emerge from our India !!!

Anyways got 2 pics from the net..(google all the way)
FZ and Fazer..would love to do it in 150 guise...

DOnt understand much logic..behind this car..auto manufacturers..man..everyone has different strategy..and no one can guess wat will work..or wat works ..
look at herohonda..
not a single new performance bike..for past dont knw hw many years..still
they..are sellin..
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:08 AM   #476 (permalink)
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Thats means even at 14Ps, 150cc, it would be pricier than the..
  • P220 DTSi (21 Ps, 220 cc) by around 2K..!!
  • RTR 180 (17.3 Ps, 180 cc) by around 7K..!!
  • P180 UGIV (17.03 Ps, 180 cc) by around 12K..!!
Yamaha also knows all these data, but why have they priced like that ? May be b'cos of the fact that Yamaha is a low volume producer of their entire bike range, which works out to more production cost per bike. Yamaha doesn't have hits like Pulsars n Splendors to adjust the costs. I guess they have simply transfered the costs to customer.

I am sure many people will never bother to compare a Yamaha with other brands and models.
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:15 AM   #477 (permalink)
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I actually dont find nthn wrong with the pricing of the Fazer , i think 80 is ok , cos
fz16 is itself 74k.

Take the r15 , front fairing + hL assembly + visor + mounts == more than 6k.
Plonk the same thing on FZ == fz + 6k
and mind you , the fibre quality used by yamaha is strong , it doesn cut that easily on roads humps or potholes like the zma/uni does.

and u will not see any panel gaps or anything no vibes or rattles from plastic parts like on the 220.
I feel it will sell for that price .
They are giving the customer 3 choices in looks , and yamaha is playing a cunning game (making him buy atleast any 1), they need not have to build any spl parts for this bike.
and this is one bike which looks in place from the front and the rear.Not out of proportion.
I think 80 k is justified.
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:19 AM   #478 (permalink)
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Yamaha also knows all these data, but why have they priced like that ? May be b'cos of the fact that Yamaha is a low volume producer of their entire bike range, which works out to more production cost per bike. Yamaha doesn't have hits like Pulsars n Splendors to adjust the costs. I guess they have simply transfered the costs to customer.

I am sure many people will never bother to compare a Yamaha with other brands and models.

Super point...maybe add to this the kind of customers that Yamaha is targetting...makes simple logic for the prices..
same low volume factor also should be considered from the sales point of view also..more revenues from lesser volumes..adding volumes will take time..no one became a volume player over night...
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:54 AM   #479 (permalink)
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Super point...maybe add to this the kind of customers that Yamaha is targetting...makes simple logic for the prices..
same low volume factor also should be considered from the sales point of view also..more revenues from lesser volumes..adding volumes will take time..no one became a volume player over night...
I am sure pitting FZ16 @ 68-70k(OTR in BLR or 5-7k lesser) could have made Yamaha a volume player in a month. All new RTR/P150/Uni/Hunk/CBZ could have gone to FZ, not all then at least 50%(50% could be more mileage conscious or just other brand lovers) .. which could have made that best selling in the segment in one shot. So there could be these reasons:
- Yamaha does not have volume production capacity
- It couldn't imagine the success and priced initially high and now can't reduce just like that
- They are just happy to sell 10-15k odd bikes and making 5-10k*the number more money. They just don't want mass base and more concerned about the brand dilution.
- Or simply production cost is high enough, that Yamaha would be having losses if priced below 70k OTR.

And I guess, same happened with R15 also. Unless Yamaha doesn't want to make money from that product and more concerned of Diluting of brand name 'R'.

And I feel now Yamaha would love to reduce prices but they can't as that will leave all 1 lac or so newly added yamaha family members fuming and disheartened. In fact Sarvajit confirmed news of 2.5k discount and 500 for referral in the month of June on the purchase of FZ.

PS> All is my own opinion, analysis and stats. No debate on it, PEACE!! PEACE!!.

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My first reaction on price : I would rather buy P220

My second reaction on price : I would rather buy P220

My third reaction on price : I would rather buy P220

My forth reaction on price : I would rather buy P220

My fifth reaction.......................P220 :-)


It looks like Yamaha still not able to forget loss they did in last decade, they want to recover that amount as fast as possible at any cost. And we are helping Yamaha whole heartedly. :-)
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