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Dogg · 05-10-2009, 07:10 PM

so what can we exept in the next few months???
these r some bikes i know would come out..

new pulsar 150 - already out

new pulsar 180 - cosmetic and performance

new pulsar 200 - cosmetic and performance

new pulsar 220 - may be a cosmetic job but wish upgrade on the
performance aspect

apache rtr180 - with banging performance but looks borrowed from the 160's
yamaha fz - cosmetic and wish for a an engine upgrade

honda 150sports - cosmetic and performance

so what happened to hh's???

payeng · 05-10-2009, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satyenpoojary

I kinda knew you would say this

...
currently the only bikes that seems to be sold with the USP of the upgraded 'looks' are the P150, and the P180... now they have another bike which competes on the looks aspect....

Ofcourse it would do a bit of damage to the RTRs and even the ZMAs... heck even the R15s but they would be limited to the ones who bough these bikes for its poser value.... ! (which i know are quite a few)

Yep, differentiated looks do help to sell in this land.. be it Tank Flaps, Black Painted Engine/Alloys, Clip Ons, Half Fairing or Even Simple Sticker/Paint jobs.

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Originally Posted by Satellite.kid

Opinions!!!

Hmmm...Personally I feel, the faired FZ's gonna be a bigger blow to the new Pulsar180, if at all it competes in a 180cc segment. Whereas RTR180 is concerned, it will have atleast its performance to take of things

...(considering the performance of RTR160FI, RTR180 will be expected to give tough competition to the bikes in one segment above it)

Ok, so which option do you think has better chance of bringing in more sales..??
(with the least effort/investment required)

1) 153 cc, same* Power, same* mileage along with the Half Fairing
2) 180 cc, more* Power, Less* Mileage along with the Half Fairing

[* More/Same/Less as compared with the current FZ16]

Is there a chance that by not plonking in a BIGGER engine, the FZ16 with the Half Fairing will sell less..??
Just for an analogy, we are see quite a lot of CBF Stunner's (with the same 125 cc Shine engine) on the road. Don't we..??

Let me make it clear that I am not advocating Cosmetic Upgrades without Performance improvements.. I am just trying to point out how bikes are usually bought in India.

sarbanoxley · 05-10-2009, 09:23 PM

^^+1:d:d:d:d

HydBiker · 05-10-2009, 09:37 PM

good business tactics by Yamaha. But then, I wonder if they are going the "beating the FZ to death" way with all these iterations. And then, it was already overpriced... dunno how high this semi faired version is going to the price up! The FZ needs a strong backup of at least either performance or mileage compared to other bikes in its class. Without that it might not sell well for really long with those high price tags!

They are loosing track of the concept here. The FZ 16 was a butch looking naked bike. They are making it look like an R15. Both the bikes loose the USP in looks.

payeng · 05-10-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HydBiker

good business tactics by Yamaha. But then, I wonder if they are going the "beating the FZ to death" way with all these iterations. And then, it was already overpriced... dunno how high this semi faired version is going to the price up! The FZ needs a strong backup of at least either performance or mileage compared to other bikes in its class. Without that it might not sell well for really long with those high price tags!

They are loosing track of the concept here. The FZ 16 was a butch looking naked bike. They are making it look like an R15. Both the bikes loose the USP in looks.

Touche. Have to agree

Nithanth · 05-10-2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payeng

Ok, so which option do you think has better chance of bringing in more sales..??
(with the least effort/investment required)

1) 153 cc, same* Power, same* mileage along with the Half Fairing
2) 180 cc, more* Power, Less* Mileage along with the Half Fairing

[* More/Same/Less as compared with the current FZ16]

Is there a chance that by not plonking in a BIGGER engine, the FZ16 with the Half Fairing will sell less..??
Just for an analogy, we are see quite a lot of CBF Stunner's (with the same 125 cc Shine engine) on the road. Don't we..??

Which 180cc bike are you comparing it to anyway? P180?

PS: The Stunner's engine produces a bhp more power than Shine (and more than all other bikes in this segment, if I'm correct), and it looks way better than Shine. I think that justifies the extra 3K

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HydBiker

They are loosing track of the concept here. The FZ 16 was a butch looking naked bike. They are making it look like an R15. Both the bikes loose the USP in looks.

+10!

jayprashanth · 05-10-2009, 09:58 PM

Looks lousy to say the least. Phew

payeng · 05-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nithanth

Which 180cc bike are you comparing it to anyway? P180?

No not the P180 but the hypothetical/speculated FZ16 with 180-183 cc capacity.
(Opps..!! it will be FZ18 or FZ19 in that case right..??)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nithanth

PS: The Stunner's engine produces a bhp more power than Shine (and more than all other bikes in this segment, if I'm correct), and it looks way better than Shine. I think that justifies the extra 3K

U sure..??

The official HMSI site actually indicates a difference of around 5K between the prices of the Top Variants of the Shine and the CBF Stunner.

Whether it's justifed or not is Subjective.

krishank · 05-10-2009, 10:04 PM

YES ! YAMAHA......same bike modified by yamaha again

...i think yamaha has got to know the taste of indian bikers....

Nithanth · 05-10-2009, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payeng

No not the P180 but the hypothetical/speculated FZ16 with 180-183 cc capacity.
(Opps..!! it will be FZ18 or FZ19 in that case right..??)

Ah okay... Thought you were comparing it to some current 180cc bike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by payeng

U sure..??

The official HMSI site actually indicates a difference of around 5K between the prices of the Top Variants of the Shine and the CBF Stunner.

From the site,
Honda Shine Self-Disc-Alloy - Ex-Showroom Rs. 48757/-
Honda CBF Stunner Self-Disc-Alloy - Ex Showroom Rs. Rs. 51980/-

05-10-2009, 07:10 PM	#41 (permalink)
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05-10-2009, 09:37 PM	#44 (permalink)
HydBiker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 3,205	good business tactics by Yamaha. But then, I wonder if they are going the "beating the FZ to death" way with all these iterations. And then, it was already overpriced... dunno how high this semi faired version is going to the price up! The FZ needs a strong backup of at least either performance or mileage compared to other bikes in its class. Without that it might not sell well for really long with those high price tags! They are loosing track of the concept here. The FZ 16 was a butch looking naked bike. They are making it look like an R15. Both the bikes loose the USP in looks. __________________ Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya Alumni? PM me for an Invitation to *myJNV - the navodayan connect!*

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krishank ONE DAY! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New delhi Posts: 23	YES ! YAMAHA......same bike modified by yamaha again ...i think yamaha has got to know the taste of indian bikers.... __________________ ONE DAY !!!

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