sidmclaren

I wasn't Aware of Transformers that deep thanks a lot for that information
Yes I think the Vyrus with its Hub centered steering is one big example of the same
A bit off track again I mean i have noticed (not sure) the new Aprilia Tuono/Triumph Triple with its Head lamp design its a bit strange and is pointing to same insectoid design in future
Regarding Kawasaki Design Philosophy they had this Ninja Philosophy
where I had read that the Handle/clipons was designed to resemble the Ninjas sword eg:- the Handle bar weight etc but now that design also looks dated and they have moved to Insectoid as you explained but it is getting repetitive so i think as you have mentioned in previous posts the slow and evolving designs of Ducati and Europeans will last long.

But how/what is the future of Indian styling, Bajaj seems to be confused with its stance
First they Introduce stacked Headlamps of European repute then as the market heats up they press the panic button and change the entire design to resemble Japanese bikes (might be to confuse buyers) but the character of the bike remains Indian/European with its chassis its a very confusing as now as it gets clear.

Also the Japanese bikes I think are by looks very suave yet very delicate but the Europeans always resemble something like muscular design 1198 is muscular yet aggressive (correct me if i am wrong) which yells at potential buyers that it can take abuse yet its muscular and delicate at same time for some reason Japanese manufactured bike just show one trait and that is it might be sporty aggressive on outside but inside its very delicate

nitrosatya

The Pulsar 200NS design story.

Exclusive: Pulsar 200NS design sketches and details

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Hi Nitrosatya, I really like this thread.

Would like to know something. Why can't the concept designs be used for actual production? Whenever I see a concept bike or car, I go "WOW". But when those machines actually come out of production, even though based on the same "concept" design, they have lost that "wow" factor.

I am sure you must have seen beautiful concept cars in Auto-Expo or other such exhibitions. So, it means that they can actually be transformed into a product. Then why make changes to their design.

Coming back to bikes, I was going through the Motoroids link that you had sent and saw the Pulsar200 NS design. Please see the attached picture. What's the problem with this design? Why couldn't they make P200NS actually look like this? This looks bulky and mean. And would have helped Bajaj retain the tag "Definitely Male".

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sidmclaren

Hello Satyajit
again am deviating from P200NS topic
But I would like to share some thing i noticed when the KTM 200 was
launched.
The bikes Headlamp design coupled with its Forks (INverted) created a look
of a bull on a rampage,
yet the tank looks out of sorts compared to front when it should have been beefy sure they had power to weight ratio in mind but still,
and again the rear end too looks like its borrowed from RC8

Can you please correct me if i am wrong on the statement above.

Regards

nitrosatya

That is the question everybody asks. Why does the concept lose it's attitude when it is production ready?
There are two main constraints.
1:The riding posture verification &
2: Engineering limitations and production costs.

1:RPV:To make the riding posture accessible to as many people as possible. Many parts are altered. Also handling must not be compromised. Hence the bike looses some of it's oomph.

2: Engineering limitations occur when a certain panel/part cannot be stamped at the existing facility. After designing, the engineers must calculate how to manufacture a particular part in a press. Where to put part lines. Part lines are lines which separate two parts. Where to put the screws,etc. Also it must
be easily accessible when servicing.

A concept model doesn't run and has many fake parts.

A very good example is Suzuki B king 1300. When Suzuki made the concept it was mind blowing. But the final product that came out was the GSR600. Suzuki decided they will re make the concept and finally made the B King.

Well the KTM design philosophy is origami styling. Panels should look like they are folded like paper.
But the association with an animal is a natural outcome. The downforce styling with headlight low and tank high is a big inspiration from wild animals. But not sure a bull was an inspiration behind this bike. Urban art and graffiti was the inspiration. Also bright colours and zany graphics.
But the extremely aggressive look is favoured by many now a days.

The KTM Duke 200 was designed by Craig Dent. Under the leadership of Gerald Kiska and Sebastien Stassin of Kiska Design,Austria.

Samarth 619

^ I agree with your post. Concepts have to be towed around most of the time as they can't be ridden around.

And yes, Designers and engineers are always in a war against each other. A war that will never end, and neither will ever win.

Samarth 619

Guys, I just had an idea!! Note these points:

1. People fill up 100% nitrogen air in their tyres so that their tubeless tyres stay cool, right?

2. And Our air has 78% nitrogen & 21% oxygen which gives normal temperatures to our tyres.

3. Then it is possible that tyres be filled up with more than 50-70% of oxygen, so that they remain heated up for the entire race, such as a MotoGP Race and give grip? Less Nitrogen means lesser cooling & more heat.

As you know the motoGP's Bridgestones tyres lose heat quickly. Approach 4 left hand corners and then a right hander, and you might crash, as the right side loses heat and grip so damn quickly.

Note: 100% oxygen filling is not feasible since the slightest of friction will erupt a fire instantly (correct me if I'm wrong).


Is it possible/ feasible? Any comments on this idea?

Rahul.Gvli

@ Nitrosatya: Nice initiative there sirrr..
I was following this thread from so long but never thought of posting anything. (As I don't know anything abt it.. ).
But now as the thread is progressing very slowly, I am gonna bump it with my silly question..
I always wondered, what are the air / tank scoops on Yamaha V-max designed for? Can you please help me understand it in detail? Is there any similarity of them with those available on indian bikes..(with regards to the the purpose it serves)? Or Is it something different, something more extended functinality..?

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Excellent insight there Nitro...may your tribe increase

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As we learnt in 12th standard Chemistry, as per Gay-Lussac's law, pressure rise is directly proportional to rise in temperature. In our case, it is the temperature of the tire which is rising due to friction with the road. It has nothing to do with whether it has Argon or Hydrogen inside. As long as it is ANY gas inside, the temperature will rise since it is a function determined by the tire and road. Temperature will rise, and so will pressure. Thats how it is supposed to work even as per the manufacturer.

What Nitrogen does help in is it reduces the loss of air due to oxidation of the tire under high pressure(debatable though possible). There is less leakage, the cold tire pressure remains constant longer, you don't need to check the tire pressure over and over again, and you reduce your chances of under-inflating the tire unknowingly. Since there is no 21% oxygen in pure nitrogen(when compared with air), the oxygen cannot react with the inner rubber of the tire and ruin it(debatable) in effect reducing the tire pressure and tire life(debatable).

Also, even if there is 100% oxygen in an environment, it doesn't mean it will combust spontaneously. Oxygen needs to react with *something* to burn.

eg. C8H18 (Petrol) + O2 --(combustion)--> CO2 + H2O
C4H10 (LPG) + O2 --(Combustion)--> CO2 + H2O

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