aargee

Thank You Rossiter
Few of the basic reasons for me to ask this question were...
1. I'm under the impression that HD's have higher compression ratio than the other engines, so IMO, they tend to generate heat faster than the other engines right?
2. Bikes like MT-01, V-Max, Comet, Aquila, Ninja (single cylinder R15 too) are liquid cooled compared to HD's air cooled engines like Evo & TC engines (exception on V-Rod/Night Rod), so they'll be able to do cool off better than traditional HD engines. Am I right?
3. Moreover, I could see a big difference in the angle of the VTwin engines between Kinetics(Comet/Aquila) compared to HD & that's one of the reason I didn't bring Ducati's LTwin (esp GT1000) into picture. If you look at the LTwins, the air flow & the distance between both cylinders in LTwins will be spacious between the engines due to which there's a large airflow. Correct me if I'm wrong.
4. While I agree that the segments are different, but the target line of customers are nearly (nearly) the same; what I mean to say is, the target customers are the same - people who wants power with leisure riding, but the difference being sports & touring(cruising). Anyone would hardly ride Ninja to work everyday at the risk of spoiling its beauty. Correct me if I'm wrong.

On pricing, I'm not sure if its aggressive as from what I see...
i) The 883L starts are $7000 which works to 3.5L before import & 7L (actually 6.95L Delhi) after import
ii) In the case of Superglide its $13000 working to 6.5L before import & 13L (actually 15.95L Delhi) after import
iii) In the case of Fatboy, its $16000 works to 8L before import & 16L (actually 18.45L Delhi) after import
All the above conversion was done at Rs 50 in conversion rate

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aargee

That's the one I love huge torque with loads of power

I quite didn't understand what you're saying here, but I assume you're saying that one cannot expect a better cooling in HD unless the existing design is improved - correct me if I'm wrong in my understanding.

Right, but JD, when someone's touring, he cannot have this luxury right?

I doubt on this because, IMO, HD has 5 factories in US & none outside US; if they're coming to India with the idea of setting up a factory, then why didn't they go to China years back, where they already have their footprints AND China well known for their manufacturing sector?

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jd666

- what i meant was, that you cant really take out a vtwin for the sake that the cooling is not efficient on it. You can add forced cooling methods, like oil cooled, liquid cooled.

- Touring is when you accept all the factors around you, roads, weather, temperature etc.. so thats a one-off.. and again.. how many times would you see someone touring on a HD...

- All the major super car manufacturers are looking at india for a market.. and they are getting it.. so bikes are the stepping stones.... to test the waters.. which has been successful till now.

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aargee

Well the questions are still left unanswered

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killer_instinct

A detour from the main topic. I ride my Ninja to office everyday.

But I do keep a cover on it and a motion sensor disc alarm for nosy employees.

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aargee

Bumping up this thread - guys, pls provide your inputs/opinions/bashes - anything.

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rossiter

Compression ratio plays a factor, but still not a problem.

MT-01 is air cooled.

Angle plays a factor, but again not so much.

The target profile is totally different. With the Ninja, I'd assume they're looking at targetting the slightly more mature, deep-pocketed Karizma/P220 user, who is looking for a organic step up in terms of biking experience.

With the H-D, half the customers would be deep-pocketed, 30+ aged, owners who would want an H-D for the simple purpose of owning an H-D. And that's just one of the reasons. Nobody buys an H-D for the power by the way..

Prices are very aggressive. You own an entry level product from an iconic brand like the H-D for something like 9 OTR. That's a steal. It is the cheapest of the so-called imports so far. Eg. the CB1000R costs 11 OTR if I'm right.

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aargee

^^^Very true, but compression ratio 8.4:1 which is .5 less to HD; even though the numbers don't speak of anything here, but little skeptical. Appreciate if you can throw some light on this & the next point on angle.

IMO, angle plays a big role 'cause its the second cylinder that doesn't get enough air to cool off - what do you think?

Very very true; they've huge torque & ideal for people who wants to enjoy motorcycling & the tune of "potato" . However, this is a good example that you compared MT01 vs HD's.

Well, I would say they're priced almost the same as CBR because, XL1200N costs nearly 11OTR (9.95L) while the entry level is only 883 compared to 1000RR isn't it? But yes, I do agree, its cheapest of all the imports.

Rossiter - Thank you so much for keeping this thread alive & expressing your opinions. I appreciate.

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