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ken cool · 07-22-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by inflammable

Some of the many things to be worked upon before launching a bike >>

You forgot homologation!

frankpilli · 07-22-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by forty6

because honestly how hard it is to make a parallel twin. Two cylinders fused together. We are the masters in sub 200 cc cylinders. And all it takes to make a pocket rocket is a two or four 150 cylinders arranged in line.

why cant our manufacturers make a decent middle segment 250/500 in-line twin? is it cost factor (Manufacturing)? our bikes like P-220 & ZMR can easily take a 250/500 twin engine and perform well with very minor modifications to the chassis & tyres.

Coplay@180 · 07-22-2010, 05:14 PM

Forty6 : Brilliant. Simply Stunning.
inflammable: very true brother. very true

forty6 · 07-22-2010, 05:14 PM

Ohh the charity crap.

Am i saying price it lower than what it costs you? I am saying give me a product that is within my budget. And my budget is more than what you sell to masses and lesser than what the super rich have. That is all.
I know none of them are here for charity. VW is losing quite a few grands on every polo they sell, heck they lose quite a few of them big ones on every Bugatti they are selling, am not asking people here to do something like that. But just getting products that we want.
About ninja, honestly speaking Bajaj never imagined it will do so well, no matter what the sales targets are.

@Ken: It is not about instant gratification, it is about seeing progress. My frustration is with this discriminatory and scared-to-experiment nature. And if the barbs of my friend are to be believed at 30, next year, my youth is over. :P
thanks for commendation. much appreciated.

inflammable · 07-22-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ken cool

You forgot homologation!

Thanks for pointing that

forty6 · 07-22-2010, 05:21 PM

the process you have described is true for every bike you make, not just a 400 cc or 600 cc. A new platform or engine cost millions true. But they all have shelf lifes too. Hero honda has been using the same 100cc engine for the time i was born. Before that Honda used it since my dad was born. Haven't they recovered cost already?

And one more thing, it is called part sharing. The entire pulsar range shares most of the parts, that is one reason it is cheaper than the competition. The entire VW group does it.

And, i mean seriously, we have put satellites up there and are planning to put a man up the moon, so it is not "that" tough.
The checklists are to make sure you do a process efficiently, not to look at it and say "dan this looks tough, let's chuck it".

And there are more hints of there being enough market there at xbhp than anywhere else.

ken cool · 07-22-2010, 05:27 PM

I understand and know your point perfectly well. And I have ranted in my years too. But I have had my shares of RD and the like. I am telling you, if you have the moolah now, invest in the market, wait for two years. With the money you have made, go and get yourself a honest to goodness real Sbk! Coz your 70bhp is not happening anytime quick here!

aargee · 07-22-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dcs

All Right a Decade or two back, we had those Two strokers that delivered more power then most of the so call performance bikes deliver today. I agree that they were perhaps not so reliable, were not so environment friendly, were not that refined either, but that still makes me think, if we were manufacturing 35-40 bhp bikes in late 80s, why are we not now, now when the technology gives us the advantage of getting lighter, more fuel efficient, more powerful, more eco-friendly engines.

+10000000000000; very very true;

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Originally Posted by forty6

Hero honda has been using the same 100cc engine for the time i was born. Before that Honda used it since my dad was born. Haven't they recovered cost already?

And you forgot about RE!!! For the kind of fans they've, they should've been competing with Triumph by now!!!

justyhere · 07-22-2010, 07:02 PM

That Kicked ASS of every Bike manufacturers out in Indian Market. Too GOOD!!!

Sandeep_K_Ram · 07-22-2010, 07:44 PM

I can connect to some of those feelings you mention

Reminiscent of my own experiences with the same manufacturers you mention.

@aargee

35-40HP bikes ?? 2 decades ago ? I recall the RD. And its not 35BHP. Any mass produced bike that made 40 horses here in India in late 80s ? Forgive me I was still in kindergarten back then

07-22-2010, 05:14 PM	#23 (permalink)
Coplay@180 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: B'lore-Chennai-Coimbatore Posts: 731	Forty6 : Brilliant. Simply Stunning. inflammable: very true brother. very true __________________ Bedridden with a broken knee cap because of an unexpected freak accident.

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ken cool Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 4,677	I understand and know your point perfectly well. And I have ranted in my years too. But I have had my shares of RD and the like. I am telling you, if you have the moolah now, invest in the market, wait for two years. With the money you have made, go and get yourself a honest to goodness real Sbk! Coz your 70bhp is not happening anytime quick here! __________________ The Wheel was a great invention; Two Wheels with a Motor in between was even better! BMW Motorrad Days 2011 Xbhp's Indo-French Kashmir-Ladakh Tour

07-22-2010, 07:44 PM	#30 (permalink)
Sandeep_K_Ram Waiting for the "One"... Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bengalooru Posts: 389	I can connect to some of those feelings you mention Reminiscent of my own experiences with the same manufacturers you mention. @aargee 35-40HP bikes ?? 2 decades ago ? I recall the RD. And its not 35BHP. Any mass produced bike that made 40 horses here in India in late 80s ? Forgive me I was still in kindergarten back then __________________ Sandeep K Ram blogs at http://sandeepkram.blogspot.com Last edited by Sandeep_K_Ram; 07-22-2010 at 07:48 PM.

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07-22-2010, 05:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
forty6 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gurgaon. And Baralachla. Posts: 130	Ohh the charity crap. Am i saying price it lower than what it costs you? I am saying give me a product that is within my budget. And my budget is more than what you sell to masses and lesser than what the super rich have. That is all. I know none of them are here for charity. VW is losing quite a few grands on every polo they sell, heck they lose quite a few of them big ones on every Bugatti they are selling, am not asking people here to do something like that. But just getting products that we want. About ninja, honestly speaking Bajaj never imagined it will do so well, no matter what the sales targets are. @Ken: It is not about instant gratification, it is about seeing progress. My frustration is with this discriminatory and scared-to-experiment nature. And if the barbs of my friend are to be believed at 30, next year, my youth is over. :P thanks for commendation. much appreciated.

07-22-2010, 05:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
forty6 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gurgaon. And Baralachla. Posts: 130	the process you have described is true for every bike you make, not just a 400 cc or 600 cc. A new platform or engine cost millions true. But they all have shelf lifes too. Hero honda has been using the same 100cc engine for the time i was born. Before that Honda used it since my dad was born. Haven't they recovered cost already? And one more thing, it is called part sharing. The entire pulsar range shares most of the parts, that is one reason it is cheaper than the competition. The entire VW group does it. And, i mean seriously, we have put satellites up there and are planning to put a man up the moon, so it is not "that" tough. The checklists are to make sure you do a process efficiently, not to look at it and say "dan this looks tough, let's chuck it". And there are more hints of there being enough market there at xbhp than anywhere else.

07-22-2010, 07:02 PM	#29 (permalink)
justyhere Darth-- Ninja 250R (black) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 139	That Kicked ASS of every Bike manufacturers out in Indian Market. Too GOOD!!!

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