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aargee · 08-13-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by men_in_jean

In the initial post I read "Once a model or a prototype is homologated, other similar cars don't need to be separately certified. "

Wrong; if a model (not prototype) is ARAI certified, then the same model of cars from the same company need not be homologated, unless the manufacturer introduces some new feature in the vehicle, in which case the new feature along with the entire vehicle will undergo homologation process.

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Originally Posted by men_in_jean

So does this mean that say if a CBR600rr 2009(an example) is already ARAI certified by someone in the country before then I can import it without a need of homologation which overrrides the 800cc rule!!??

Someone is slightly to be changed, its only ARAI as a organization that certifies.

If CBR600RR is ARAI certified, then Honda will make it available at showrooms, say for example at 6 Lakhs. If you import the vehicle, it would work about 9 Lakhs. Yes, you can still consider importing & not to worry anything on ARAI certification

Read ARAI certification or Homologation process as the Govt considering that, "this vehicle is ready for running in our good/bad weather, adulterated/unleaded fuel & so on" to bring things on control

men_in_jean · 08-13-2010, 11:39 AM

I think you did not get my point.. or may be I didn't put it clear.

I meant that if someone had got the ARAI clearance of a bike(say CBR600rr 2009) already, then will I be able to import a similar model (say CBR600rr2009 without any new features ofcourse)

aargee · 08-13-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by men_in_jean

I meant that if someone had got the ARAI clearance of a bike(say CBR600rr 2009) already, then will I be able to import a similar model (say CBR600rr2009 without any new features ofcourse)

Ok, correct my understanding...
are you saying, I cleared a CBR600's homologation process & got ARAI certified, now you want to import another CBR 600? Is that right?

If that's the case, then I think homologation cannot be applied by individual; it can only be applied by the manufacturer.

men_in_jean · 08-13-2010, 03:22 PM

@aagree: Yes exactly.

That is what I am wondering whether an individual can follow such process(ARAI clearance). However it would not make sense for someone to do it since it is cost and time consuming, which might not be worth.

However Is there anyone who knows a way to get the list of bikes homologated in our country already!!??

If so then it would help people looking for bike imports!

Technician · 08-13-2010, 04:49 PM

Homologation: A certificate necessary for sale & registration of any bike/vehicle in India whether imported or made in India. Only bikes with engine of 800 cc and more, exempted from this.

Import Rules: All imported bikes to be taxed at 100+ % of the declared value regardless of the process involved. Old vehicles to be taxed more.

If someone has got homologation for 'CBR-1000' to import or to assemble and sell in India or is exempted from such a requirement, it does not make anyone else capableto import a 'CBR-1000' duty free, because that someone still has to pay the same duty itself regardless of the technical qualification someone has completed or not.

All bikes available in India except with engine of 800 cc and more, are homologated in India.

Hope it helps.

men_in_jean · 08-13-2010, 05:53 PM

@Technician: I am not talking about duties or taxes here. Only about the homologation procedure which will make the bike street legal for our country.

People import R1s Fireblades today and pay the duty/tax and can live with it. Same cannot be done with a 600 cuz of the homologation procedure. My question was that whether this can be overcomed if a homologation has been done on that model of vehicle already!!

And when I said 'list of homoloagted vehicles', I mean the ones less than 800cc and can only be imported(not available in India by any manufacturer)!

Technocrat · 08-14-2010, 02:19 AM

Homologation is done so that a vehicle can be sold, so only a company who intends to sell a vehicle can get a vehicle homologate.

An individual can not do that. To asnwer your query, say Suzuki has successfully homologated its 600 (Lets assume it for now) & then you buy it from abroad as its cheaper to you. In this case would the bike be street legal? The answer is NO, because only Suzuki is authorised to sell the 600 which in all probability would have some minor changes based on ARAI guidlines, these changes would not be there on your bike.

Also if an 2000 model 600 is homologated this doesnt mean that 2009's model doesnt need to, any change is specification requires the vehicle to undergo homologation again.

This is the primary reason why bike manufacturers are not too keen in Sub 800 cc category, it would make it difficult for them to get the new models in India in time. Also to justify the expenditure on Homologation they would need to ensure that they sell good numbers which is difficult to predict for this segment.

Also legality of bike would depend upon duties & taxes which is entirely different from Homologation.

I hope this answers your query

aargee · 08-14-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

This is the primary reason why bike manufacturers are not too keen in Sub 800 cc category, it would make it difficult for them to get the new models in India in time. Also to justify the expenditure on Homologation they would need to ensure that they sell good numbers which is difficult to predict for this segment.

^^^ is a good education. Thanks for sharing.

Now going back to basics, why the cut off was 800cc & not 600 or 700? I mean, on what basis the number 800 was introduced?

Why the litre classes were given the exemption, why didn't they also undergo Homologation process?

Why was Monster 696 given the exemption on Homologation?

Technocrat · 08-17-2010, 04:54 AM

Good Questions, even I would like to know the answers

If it was 500 we could have understood that its because of Bullet but why 800?

Btw there are other exemptions too like homolgation is supposedly waived off from cars costing $40,000 and above in their home countries.

aargee · 08-17-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

Good Questions, even I would like to know the answers

Aah!!! I was expecting an answer!!! Now no one knows other than ARAI themselves

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

If it was 500 we could have understood that its because of Bullet but why 800?

Must be due to M800

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Originally Posted by Technocrat

Btw there are other exemptions too like homolgation is supposedly waived off from cars costing $40,000 and above in their home countries.

Thanks for the info.

08-13-2010, 11:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
men_in_jean The Street HAWK!! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 190	I think you did not get my point.. or may be I didn't put it clear. I meant that if someone had got the ARAI clearance of a bike(say CBR600rr 2009) already, then will I be able to import a similar model (say CBR600rr2009 without any new features ofcourse) __________________ MJ I did not get a PULSAR cuz I wanted a BIKE!! I got a BIKE cuz I wanted a PULSAR!! Pulsar 150 DTSi - 2004 GT 650R - 2011

08-13-2010, 03:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
men_in_jean The Street HAWK!! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 190	@aagree: Yes exactly. That is what I am wondering whether an individual can follow such process(ARAI clearance). However it would not make sense for someone to do it since it is cost and time consuming, which might not be worth. However Is there anyone who knows a way to get the list of bikes homologated in our country already!!?? If so then it would help people looking for bike imports! __________________ MJ I did not get a PULSAR cuz I wanted a BIKE!! I got a BIKE cuz I wanted a PULSAR!! Pulsar 150 DTSi - 2004 GT 650R - 2011

08-13-2010, 04:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Technician Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 240	Homologation: A certificate necessary for sale & registration of any bike/vehicle in India whether imported or made in India. Only bikes with engine of 800 cc and more, exempted from this. Import Rules: All imported bikes to be taxed at 100+ % of the declared value regardless of the process involved. Old vehicles to be taxed more. If someone has got homologation for 'CBR-1000' to import or to assemble and sell in India or is exempted from such a requirement, it does not make anyone else capableto import a 'CBR-1000' duty free, because that someone still has to pay the same duty itself regardless of the technical qualification someone has completed or not. All bikes available in India except with engine of 800 cc and more, are homologated in India. Hope it helps. __________________ The Original CBZ Last edited by Technician; 08-13-2010 at 04:52 PM.

08-13-2010, 05:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
men_in_jean The Street HAWK!! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 190	@Technician: I am not talking about duties or taxes here. Only about the homologation procedure which will make the bike street legal for our country. People import R1s Fireblades today and pay the duty/tax and can live with it. Same cannot be done with a 600 cuz of the homologation procedure. My question was that whether this can be overcomed if a homologation has been done on that model of vehicle already!! And when I said 'list of homoloagted vehicles', I mean the ones less than 800cc and can only be imported(not available in India by any manufacturer)! __________________ MJ I did not get a PULSAR cuz I wanted a BIKE!! I got a BIKE cuz I wanted a PULSAR!! Pulsar 150 DTSi - 2004 GT 650R - 2011

08-14-2010, 02:19 AM	#17 (permalink)
Technocrat Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 884	Homologation is done so that a vehicle can be sold, so only a company who intends to sell a vehicle can get a vehicle homologate. An individual can not do that. To asnwer your query, say Suzuki has successfully homologated its 600 (Lets assume it for now) & then you buy it from abroad as its cheaper to you. In this case would the bike be street legal? The answer is NO, because only Suzuki is authorised to sell the 600 which in all probability would have some minor changes based on ARAI guidlines, these changes would not be there on your bike. Also if an 2000 model 600 is homologated this doesnt mean that 2009's model doesnt need to, any change is specification requires the vehicle to undergo homologation again. This is the primary reason why bike manufacturers are not too keen in Sub 800 cc category, it would make it difficult for them to get the new models in India in time. Also to justify the expenditure on Homologation they would need to ensure that they sell good numbers which is difficult to predict for this segment. Also legality of bike would depend upon duties & taxes which is entirely different from Homologation. I hope this answers your query __________________ Racing Throttle Response

08-17-2010, 04:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
Technocrat Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York Posts: 884	Good Questions, even I would like to know the answers If it was 500 we could have understood that its because of Bullet but why 800? Btw there are other exemptions too like homolgation is supposedly waived off from cars costing $40,000 and above in their home countries. __________________ Racing Throttle Response

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