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View Poll Results: which bike manufacturer would we look forward to introduce a disel engine ?
mahindra-kinetic 16 43.24%
tvs motors 7 18.92%
hero honda 3 8.11%
bajaj 10 27.03%
yamaha india 4 10.81%
suzuki india 1 2.70%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 37. This poll is closed

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Old 07-01-2009, 10:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Diesel engines have a very high compression ratio n so the engines have to be very sturdy (Read:Bulky).
Moreover, people here complain abt the vibes in RTR. Imagine wat will they say if they ride a diesel engine...(those who have ridden the diesel bullet aka Taurus will know what im saying) for those who haven't, imagine a 2 wheeled Tractor
starting the bike takes a lot of efforts....even the guys weighing 70 odd kgs will find find it hard.. so forget abt the others..Starter motors will be a lot heavy (read: Costly)

now talkin abt the recent technology in the Diesel engines, they have not reduced the Compression Ratio so that the engines can be made light weigh (compared to Petrol Engines) the Modern Diesel engines are light weight but only compared to their predecesssors...they are still considerably heavy.
Cold Starting a Diesel Engine is really a pain in ..... even the modern Diesel Engines are not as impressive as compared to the contemporary Petrol Engines.
The Torquier single cylinder mill will never ever be a smooth running mill it will have to be a multi cylinder (say inline or flat) this again will increase the COST of the bike..
A heavier Engine will also need a Stiffer Chassis, so more weight...


So now would u like to use a CHOTA HAATHI (BABY ELEPHANT) that doesn't move fast and also gives u more tremors than what the most powerful Earthquake wud have ever given????????

naaaaaaaaaaa...

But there is a Positive side of this too...
the Fuel Efficiency will be Rocket High...yup u guys read it correctly...
the Diesel Bullet used to deliver approx 70kmpl
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I've ridden them, God they vibrate like crazy and trust me they will definitely make me impotent.
lol .......
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Instead of Diesel bikes, manufacturers are going towards LPG and CNG bikes. Bajaj and TVS might be coming up with such bikes in the near future.
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Old 07-02-2009, 04:13 AM   #14 (permalink)
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they have not reduced the Compression Ratio so that the engines can be made light weigh (compared to Petrol Engines) the Modern Diesel engines are light weight but only compared to their predecesssors...they are still considerably heavy.
You can’t, diesel is compression ignited so if you reduce comp the engine won’t run. And yes you are right, a single pod diesel will feel like a generator.
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Old 07-02-2009, 05:24 AM   #15 (permalink)
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RE had a diesel bullet for sometime with a greaves engine on it (same mill that our kissan bhais use to pump water, also a very efficiecent generator set :P). The tagline for is a bit of a take on the Old hero Honda line of "Fill it, write the odo reading on a piece of paper, shut it and forget it" lol!

Pfff It was everything that I dont like in a motorcycle heavy sluggish slow sounded like well a water pump/DG set.

Diesel is a great fuel but to power ships:P ... but bikes nah!
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Old 07-02-2009, 05:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
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remember reading about this in the march issue of overdrive so googled it and giving the first link:

EVA Track T-800CDI diesel motorcycle launched, equipped with fortwo engine from smart

Another interesting link that turned up in my search:

DieselBike.net - 5nd British Diesel Motorcycle Rally.
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:41 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Why doesn't the poll contain the Royal Enfield name? After all there used to be a Diesel Bullet available! Maybe another one could come up with better technology!
I don't think Enfield made those Diesel Bullets. If I remember correctly, they were called "SooraJ" made by a 3rd party using the Bullet Cycle parts and Greaves Diesel engines.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:05 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I have a Diesel bull for this very reason. The torque produced by 5 hp machine is more amazing than the power 16Nm @ 1800. Many times i just slip to top gear and leave it in idle. The bike pulls cleanly in idle. I do have many plans to swap the engine with a much better options for touring purpose. Imagine triple digits of touring all day long and average of more than 50 kmpl that too diesel advantage. Currently the market is limited to 3600rpm for High speed diesels. Only force mini four super has an engine capable of hitting 4300 revs which is pretty close to bullet engine speed so i dont need to alter the gear box. But the con is its a single with 14 hp and 28 Nm engine. Ace HT is a twin perhaps the only twin in the market but the engine is slightly bulky and the revs limit to 3200 revs.
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:29 PM   #19 (permalink)
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PS: there's no honda in the poll...
dear bro at shubhanker,
sorry would put it in the poll soon . just missed it

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A company in Germany has developed a Turbo Diesel based bike. Its called the Neander and is one of my dream bikes.

Take a look at the link below.

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Royal Enfield used to produce diesel bullets called Taurus. You'll find them in the rurals around Coimbatore and Harayana. The engines were Greaves engines, and much of everything else was directly from the Bullet.

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The Royal Enfields used to make Diesel bulls.
We had 2 of them at home. My dad and his twin brother. one each.
Both were sold off at a later stage...
I've ridden them, God they vibrate like crazy and trust me they will definitely make me impotent.
But the mileage was so so high...!!!
dear coplay,
if u good give its specs i'll be very much happier

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A diesel engine will be great on a bike. Hope some maker comes up with this.
The tech involved in modern diesel like the common rail direct injection is quite expensive, however with series production it cam be brought down.
A 500cc diesel with a turbo and common rail injection is easily capable of over 50bhp. Thats already 100bhp/ltr. And they'll produce enough torque to scare you.
dear joel,
that some good technical thinking, i was rather thinking of 300cc 15-30 hp coupled with a turbo

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Why doesn't the poll contain the Royal Enfield name? After all there used to be a Diesel Bullet available! Maybe another one could come up with better technology!
dear sarvajit,
sorry bro will add it in . missed it in a confusion

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I call this wishful thinking. How easy is it to sit at home and type on the keyboard. I want a nuclear reactor on my bike so 1 gram of uranium in the fuel tank will outlast the bike. And what I like even more is you selected a bunch of manufacturers that you “expect” a diesel bike from.
Enfield had a mono pod diesel that made a little less power than the luna. Since your an engine fanatic I’m sure you know that they run 20+:1 compression ratio so they’d have to be built strong and that combined with expensive fuel injection systems would total a pricetag no sensible consumer would be willing to accept. No disrespect but..I see a few words like powerful and nimble
dear gasolinejunkie,
seems ur unaware of current market trends. r&d are developing at a thunderous rate in our country . diesel engines rules indian markets, hope u r not aware of that too.anything is possible with dedicated r&d .just check the link

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also check this data

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bajaj, tvs or yamaha are not people who started to sell bikes just from few months back , they r in this field for more than few decades. thay have a strong r&d team and they have the potent to do so . thier potent is totally destroyed only by the conventional customers who dont want any new technology or still not yet came out of an pre-independence era

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Old 07-12-2009, 09:23 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Converting old army bullets to run on diesel was a common mod till the late 90s. Even RE had a diesel model called the Taurus, with a factory fitted Greaves diesel engine. It made about 6.5 bhp, was a devil to kick start and wasn't quick or fast. It was reviewed by Dilip Bam on Auto India mag. As I recall, the vibrations were so bad that the tail lamp unit fell off after a certain time.

There was also at least one other manufacturer of Diesel bikes. The bike was called Sooraj. It was similar to the bullet in build, but had a square headlamp, and slightly different fuel tank and covers and stuff. It too used a similar pumpset engine. It was a composite of various old school Indian bikes, mainly the Rajdoot and the Bullet.

Maybe someone should introduce a common-rail single cylinder diesel bike. The bullets are heavily priced as it is, but a CRDI cruiser sounds intriguing lol. Of all the indian bike manufacturers, I think that Bajaj is most likely to introduce something like that now. Especially since they have experience with small capacity diesel engines and mating them to two-wheeler gearboxes - The RE diesel autorick.

Maybe a two-stroke diesel would be a good idea.
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