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Old 07-31-2009, 04:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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For past few months there was constant checking by Police Officials in my area. The checking included Helmet, and sometimes Registration Documents and Insurance papers. Today, a police man got killed when a biker hit him hard with his bike. I would like to know more about out country's laws with these cases and checking.
Where do you put up? Which city?

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1. Is it mandatory to have all the documents while driving a vehicle (car or bike)? Please specify what documents are supposed to be carried around?
Yes it is, you are supposed to carry Registration certificate, Tax certificate(generally mentioned in the RC itself)

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2. If the driver has just the driving license and is wearing a helmet how much does he need to shell as fine?
Mention your city/state as it varies from state to state in respect to fines.

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3. If a police man stops the driver and gets hurt/killed in the attempt, how does the government takes it.
Depends, the person might to charged with causing death by negligence, or even culapble homicide not amounting to murder or relevant sections of the Motor Vehicles act.

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4. Is it mandatory to have insurance while driving in India?
YES, Dont even think of using your vehicle without Insurance, You are required to posses atleast 3rd party insurance. Its not just legal requirement but also saves you from financial burden of compensation.

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5. If a vehicle doesn't have insurance how much fine is charged?
Mention your city/state as it varies from state to state in respect to fines.

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6. Is State Police authorized to check helmet/documents etc from commuters?
Yes they are allowed to do so. Ref: Sec 130 Motor Vehicles Act.

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7. What is the importance of Traffic Police if State Police can do all this work?
Traffic Police is force made to take care of traffic and implementation of the Motor Laws in India. Due to lack of enough man power in Traffic police, state police constables, Home guards and officers are also deputed.

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8. For checking of this sort who gives the orders?
That also varies, In city the generally the DCP or ACP of Zone/Traffic generally give orders in this regard. In case of checking for stolen vehicles the control room or even the SHO's orders checking of document or suspect vehicles.


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I should mention that people in my locality are fed up with this checking.
Go to the CP or SSP's office and file an RTI application, Prepare a question pay Rs 10 and wait for 30 days see what they reply

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Even wearing a helmet and driving with responsibility once I was caught and was asked for "Documents" when I forwarded the License and RC book I was asked for Insurance, and since I didn't have insurance on my bike I was asked to pay fine of Rs100. When I paid it I asked him to write that you have taken this money because I didn't have insurance, but the police wala said don't ask so much else you will have to pay Rs.1000 for not having insurance. I was pissed and got out of there as neither I'm a powerful person nor do I know anything so there was only my loss if I might have argued with him in INDIA.
Firstly, make sure you have every document metioned above. Secondly You have to know little more about the fines, it helps you a lot. If the cop fines you make sure that you get proper receipt and pay it. If you think he has charged you for an offence which you didnt do, file another RTI. Dont leave these guys.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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As mentioned always carry:
  • Driving License
  • Registration Certificate(In case you have brought it from someone else and haven't transferred it in your name get a NOC from the owner and his address proof)
  • Valid insurance certificate
  • Pollution Under Control Certificate
About the photocopy thing I am not sure, in Delhi Once my friend showed photocopy of the papers and the answer came that this is not legal, you need to have the original papers. Its better to avoid cops as they would always cook up some law or the other..



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^^ Depends upon the state. In Assam, they will straightaway tell you the photocopies are invalid. Attested copies, they will reluctantly accept.
Bingo... Nowadays they even ask for pollution certificates..
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:42 PM   #13 (permalink)
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hmmm are you sure we need to attest it ??? because I have been carrying only the photocopies and not the originals ... have been stopped a few times but they seem to be ok with the copies itself without any attestation ...
Yes I am dead sure. I have a very good source of this information.
Play safe and get it attested. You might have to carry the original PUC.
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Hey, what's the deal with Bangalore cops? I've heard they stop you just because your licence plates are not bearing the letters KA. What needs to be done for getting my JH registered bike there and run without inviting trouble? I am going there for just three months.
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Yes I am dead sure. I have a very good source of this information.
Play safe and get it attested. You might have to carry the original PUC.
You HAVE to carry the original PUC with you everytime, no excuse or else straight fine of Rs 1000.

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Hey, what's the deal with Bangalore cops? I've heard they stop you just because your licence plates are not bearing the letters KA. What needs to be done for getting my JH registered bike there and run without inviting trouble? I am going there for just three months.
Bangalore is troublesome in this respect, dont worry as pe the law you are allowed to use your outstation vehicle for 6 months without paying road tax in that state. You have to prove that you havent crossed that stipulated 6 month time. I suggest you to:

-Get a PUC done just before leaving Jamshedpur.
-Keep the last Fuel Bill intact(with your Bike registration number) prepared some time before you leave.I possible get 2-3 fuel bills later by post to show that you are new to the city.

and also if you have any other document which proves that you arent a resident of the city say for eg a letter from the company/university which states that you are in Bangalore for just 3 months and if possible the date also.

and also dont forget to pray everytime you see cops.
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Good to know but, can anyone verify this? (Motor Vehicle Act, etc., esp. in relation to Villages where there are no Traffic Police)
I actually read it in Bangalore mirror they did some sting, well in delhi many constables stopped me so i used to ask simply for challan they never had the book, so always asked is ur dad a lawyer , I will ask abt the section which authorizes only traffic cops. Well if traffic cops want they can also give u warning rather than fining at first attempt but no one wants to miss chance to rake money.


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hmmm are you sure we need to attest it ??? because I have been carrying only the photocopies and not the originals ... have been stopped a few times but they seem to be ok with the copies itself without any attestation ...
Attestation is needed for proving copies are true to originals, ever submitted docs for admission ? they require similar thing.
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Bangalore is troublesome in this respect, dont worry as pe the law you are allowed to use your outstation vehicle for 6 months without paying road tax in that state. You have to prove that you havent crossed that stipulated 6 month time. I suggest you to:

-Get a PUC done just before leaving Jamshedpur.
-Keep the last Fuel Bill intact(with your Bike registration number) prepared some time before you leave.I possible get 2-3 fuel bills later by post to show that you are new to the city.

and also if you have any other document which proves that you arent a resident of the city say for eg a letter from the company/university which states that you are in Bangalore for just 3 months and if possible the date also.

and also dont forget to pray everytime you see cops.
Thanks setuniket...The fact is that, I am using the bike in Orissa for near to two years. I got a NOC from the Jharkhand RTO, but never submitted it here or paid the road tax. What should be the best thing to do: get new NOC from JH, or pay an agent to get me an NOC from Orissa?
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Thnx for all the reply in this thread. I request people to come up with more questions so that things can be more clear.

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Thanks for your detailed reply, it was helpful. Currently I'm in Rourkela, Orissa. Your reply about keeping the petrol pump bills was something new I heard of, it surely is a well thought way to prove the short stay.

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Even I've a car registered in Ranchi but in Rourkela right now. You should have never got the NOC, once you get it, you have to pay road tax of the other state where you are, else its illegal. If you don't get the NOC then your vehicle as considered as belonging to the place where it is registered. The catch is if you are asked to change your number in a foreign state you can say I'm going back as I don't have NOC, but if you have NOC then the intention to get it is to go to another state and re-register your bike and also pay the road tax. These things come into play only when the vehicle is stolen or it involves an accident, else for usual checking I believe NOC is not of much importance given you prove that you have been here for a short while.

As per my knowledge, you should go to Bangalore with the documents you have, and as mentioned by setuniket, keep few bills from Ranchi or anywhere in Jharkhand as reference to the fact that you have been there with the vechicle recently, don't forget to get your bike's numbers on the bill. I hope this would clear up things and won't get you in trouble.
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I have a question what if we Run from da cops and then when he chases us we stop but we have all documents and all in order . is it still a crime ?
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It is not a crime.. but you have pissed him off.. he will be on the lookout for you when your PUC expires <6 months later

It is understandable that you run a cop. Once i was stopped 2 signals before my college when I was going there for my exam.. All I yelled was "I HAVE AN EXAM! I AINT STOPPING!". But then.. all my documents were in order.. and by the way... how hard is it? especially for people staying in the states their vehicles are registered in. All you need is the following:

1) Driving License
2) Registration Certificate
3) Unexpired Latest Insurance Policy
4) Pollution Under Control Certificate (PUC)

P.S.: After the exams got over.. I used to get stopped at the same signal.. for at least 3 times every week by the same traffic cop, and he would never leave me before checking each and every document. Finally, 2 weeks into this harrasment.. i started giving the cop a biiig smile.. like this one as soon as i reached that signal. Finally.. humiliated (I think), he stopped doing it.

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