kriss

@samarth: You wanted a bike of 600cc .... And your budget is fixed for 6 lakhs. You arent poor.... and you arent rich... either...

There's a slight margin between poor and rich... And we (most of us )all lie in that margin.

A fellow whose is rich wont crib about rules..and regulations of govt. Pay the money.. Get the bike... ride it... and forget it.

The poor will not even know about it.

Its we who.... do everything (crib, cry, dream, work) for it.

I dont find anything wrong in SP's statement.

Peace.

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@ all
hey friends lets not get OT
but the thing is that the Indian taxation system should be revised
these laws were made 30-40 years ago when our country got independence and to its industries it did and had to increase the import duties and other stuffs but the time has changed its the time to move on...and now Indians are one of the richest in the world
see Anil/mukesh ambani Ratan tata,Azim premji,L N Mittal,Vijay mallya many are there and yeah Indian companies are able to face the challenge by other companies..and because of the age old laws yeah thats what makes the indian companies relax and chill like bajaj,tvs,HH
they dont even care about the people as they know the peoople are bound to buy their bikes as the people have no choice..
and yeah thats true..the "aam aadmi" doesnt have any choice
bajaj has said it'll launch ninja but still now no sign of the bike in india
hh wont upgrade karizma
tvs will never launch apache rtr 180cc

because they know that there are no other players in the market

if the import laws were relaxed then people could have been able to buy yamaha r1 for 4-5-6 lakhs honda cbr for 6000-7000$=3-4 lakhs and yeah thats not a joke'

at SP i even support that import duties help govt to earn but it should look at those people who are profitting the most ..the locals business man
they dont pay taxes the custom duty workforce should be transferred to income tax dept.
to raid these businessmen ..as one of my friend whose father is a business man gave his son a 78k laptop after he got 72% in his exams..and when i asked why so expensive gift??
then he said "baap ka bahut kala paisa hai"
so why the govt not raiding them? for extra money? why just irritaing the other companies who wanna liberalise and revolutionalise the indian motorbiking scene??

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Xenologik

Woah woah , enough !

first of all we cant compare the prices here to UK or US since the bikes aren't manufactured here anyway, and nor in near future, and there is always an import duty, (it cant be 0% ) , anyhow the govt needs money to run the country, contrary of what you think that most of the money goes to politicians instead ,

most of the money goes in
infrastructure projects (yes they waste money in delays and other illegal doings)

military (read how much is spent on the armed forces each year)

and other govt based research (ISRO, DRDO , HAL ), DO NOT be this unreasonable that there wont be ANY IMPORT tax.

well there are raids conducted dude(you do get to read sometimes), its just that yahan chalta hai attitude prevails... no one really bothers.

btw the govt has an impression that only the RICH would want SBK's (do you think anyone in the govt would understand the passion of biking ? ) so "steal from the rich and keep to self"


now here are some points which i like to raise,

- Getting a license is easier than ordering riding gear from DSG (no offence to DSG , just stating how easy it is to get a license)

- agreed with Rohit (speed pujari) that thanks to these bikes being pricey, not every ram, gopal , sanjay cam ride em. and then crash them into you someday

- However more money doesnt mean more mind, therefore there are rich kids who ride like shit and lidless (seen 3-4 examples at joe's garage bangalore), however the % pencentage is very less so its not a problem

-We live in a country where "chalta hai" and "Compromising" are key elements to survival.


its only us sane people who are stuck between the rich <-> poor , who rely half on loans to get a SBK.

Anyhow if you want a SBK that badly, you'd work for it and buy it anyway and enjoy riding it without worrying how much it made you poorer..
(which includes paying 3x more going through all the customs pain, bribery etc etc)

and if you worry about your precious money being siphoned off, then follow the tactic of jaise ko taisa , kyunki loha hi loha ko kaat-ta hai.

evade taxes ! dont pay VAT ! believe in bribery ! and other such activities which will be your source of black income.

my thoughts worth das rupaye.

haxor

i know that govt invests money into these sectors..but what the DRDO has done?
nothing it has made the indian tank dont remember the name and the army refuses to order it!!
and yeah still we're depending on israel,us,russia for weapons and accesories ..saw a binocular with which you can see upto 3kms and has night vision and cost rs 3 crore
and yeah what has the ISRO has done for the last 30 years just made satellite and become a carrier of others satellite and i dont encourage bribery and yeah i havent mentioned a word to remove import duties .. it should be there but there should a limit like 25-40% it can be taken for granted and then the theft of the taxes will be less as the people will follow the leagal process and yeah m aint working so not intention of buying any SBK right now anyways come to the point the railways projetc in jammu and kashmir where a huge project was undergoing has been stopped and already govt has invested 3k crores into it then who is responsible?
i would request others not to encourage bribery as it corrupts our system more further
"change yourself and then try to change others"
and yeah there is always a proximity that every tom dick and harry will own a SBK ...but everyone is not so irresponsible ....and yeah license shuld be priviledge not right ...and yeah these laws and rules badly needs to be revised...and yeah its has a been a indian mentality to save money from one way or the other beacuse we're overpopulated coutry with only 63% of literacy
and these are the after effect of our past history about which i wont write here more...as this topic go OT

thanks!!
ride safe!!

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Well Iam try to clear something.
Tell me the price of a superbike , well its in india r1 costs 1246000.
And tl me if there are a lot of poors in india why a lot of people owns Mahindra Scorpio , Tata Safari , Mitshubishi Pajero , Honda City , Honda CRV, Corolla, Accent , and a lot of four wheelers are even owned by middle class family. So you are telling a SBK cost more than honda crv? Are these four wheeler owners are poor coz they don't own SBK?
No , the scenario of SBK is not so good , people think why to invest 13 lakhs on a two wheeler rather than 4 wheelers. And whom you think responsible for the price hikes? We or Government. Well its necessary for government to apply taxes and customs but to this riddiculous extent of 148%...They can do 30-40-50% not 148%. Dude we must admit that indian rules are outdated and it needs change to change people's view to get SBK. Our parents will prefer to ride on 4 wheeler than a SBK. Its age that matters not money dude.
We like SBK more than 4 wheelers coz we have passions for it. So its not matter of poor or rich ,you can't blame indians by saying poor, even a middle class man can easily own a SBK , but the scene of SBK is not so prevailed here. We are passionate about SBK's if we still support the dacoit scheme off govt. to charge heavy tax like 148% , then who will change the scenario here? We elect govt. to fullfill our demands its not govt who select us. So we must admit that the rules need change.. dude a persona who can pay 7 lakh also can pay 12 lakhs but if we still going to ignore this margin we can't blame our upcoming generation and the companies who are delaying the launch of puny SBK';S like ninja.
So, simply the rules are outdated and govt. must look in this to get it revised.

No offence.(this thread is going OT)

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mzone

Just a comment to lighten the discussion...

A 12 lakh SBK in India is worth more than a common civic anyday... I wouldn't mind paying the same amount for a SBK instead of a civic... its only when you compare the price of A SBK to other countries that you feel the sting when you realise they pay sooo much less for the same thing...

But hey! if its your dream then it wouldn't matter right ?

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somebody took my comment to their heart .. hey ppol lets chill it yaar!..

My point is completely disfigured since my last post..

please note my words, I said I am in favor of heavy taxes on "IMPORTED" bikes.. I am not against these bikes manufactured in India and being sold on low cost !..

A SBK always falls under 'high luxurious category' asset and a high tax is justifiable.
e.g. U gotta pay a luxurious tax of 7 lakhs on Skoda Superb which costs mere 27 lakhs (adding to 34 lakhs+ after taxes) .. Compare that with any car under 10 lakhs category !..

These tax laws are not made by naive people, ok they are misused, but the laws ARE justifiable and is complex to understand by us.

@Samarth- Purchasing a bike worth 6 lakhs leaves u in a higher/middle higher class in a country like India where average price of a bike is 75k..
Lets not say that there are so many people having car worth 10 lakhs and are thery rich? ..

Its better to keep cars in a diff category altogether..
I can buy a house worth 40/35/25 lakhs now, does that means better I shud go ahead for a Ducati 1098R instead and call myself rich brat???
Answers is with u!..

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@SP: Rightly said. It's all about priority and, not to mention choices.

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nitrosatya

This is a very good topic and info! Thanks all for it!

kriss

People will only crib when they dont have enough money to buy an sbk with them.

Already told... if we are rich.... We wont crib... put the cash on table... get the bike...

If we dont have money... we need not think about it.. Just dream about it..

If we have money which is insufficient ?? Then we crib about rules...govt...laws... etc etc..


I for myself support strongly... that SBK is an luxury item...and let it be..with the high import duties.


And lastly why should we crib about govt ?? Cant we blame the companies..who are selling them out right as CBU...with a tag of 12+ lacs. If they could get bike in CKU... its always sensible that you can get an SBK at 9lacs easily.. that too a legal one...

Thats why grey market is still surviving...

I Directly blame companies...and my locked gun is aimed at them, instead of our indian govt.

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