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Old 11-12-2008, 10:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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As being an experienced superbiker, I want to make you all aware that all the superbikes brought to India (except officially launched) are illegal. Yes, it’s true. All the brokers involved in this business have only two methods to bring the same here. One

They find some Indian person who has worked out of India for more then two years (generally South Indian guys). They pay him a very small amount to him & bring the bike on his name.

In custom, they show the bike one or two year’s old by removing/ changing the plates & stickers on the frame of bike. After paying a very small amount in the name of custom duty, they sell the bike to some other guy in India.

Now what’s the catch:-
first of all, the theft in custom duty, secondly the bike could not be sold to any other guy upto two years (as per law), thirdly the bike will remain in the name & address of the original guy.

Second method:- its shocking:-

some guys go to Singapore, Thailand, etc. they purchase the bike & de-assemble the bike there only into four or five parts & pack them into 4-5 boxes & send to India in 4-5 different names & addresses. The custom duty on spare parts is 24% only so they get cleared the same in the name of spare parts by paying 24% duty instead of 100% (appox.)

After getting all the boxes, they re-assembled the bike in their own small workshops which consume only 03 hours. And sell to some one after registration in some authority.

Now what’s the catch: - such type of bikes do not exist on papers . The same were brought here in shape of spare parts.

So be careful, if anybody wants to purchase any superbike, kindly go through officially launched variety or brought the bike through proper channel by paying complete duty etc.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Off topic Approved.

Thanks for that information, but it would be worthwhile if you could post the source from where you got all this information from.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Its a very dirty bussiness in India..Most of the times, papers are forged or bribed out of the customs guys..
At DSG, most of the bikes comes broken down, stuffed in a freakin' qualis! and is assembled later on..Though Im not directly hinting at something fishy, more often than not it is..

But the fault is of the extremely dumb Indian import laws....Outdated,retarded as usual..
The same thing was going on with other products before the economy opened up in the 90s..

They say its to "protect the industry"...Oh my word..So thoughtful...I know, the Busa/Blade/R1 is such a competition to the Splendor/Pulsar yeah!
If you want to protect the industry, have a little import duty on <250cc class! You have bikes here every 10cc of the way right from 100,108,110,115,125,135,150,160,175, 180,200,220,223!!!! And the market ends there(except the bullets)

Twil take some pressure from the Auto lobby to force a change...
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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rightly said these law were made by lawmakers 30-40 years and still it hasnt changed....holy shit!!
when our corrupt politicians will walk out of the corrupt works...and increasing their personal wealth..there are not many bikes in India[more than 250+] and hayabusa and other SBK's are bought at phenomenally high prices because of dumb laws and lawmakers..
148% tax on the used bike and 88% on new bike on import is this a joke?
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree majority bikes are like that only but still there are exceptions.
I would say not all bikes are illegally imported.
I have come across a lot of bikes which are imported pretty cleanly and imported in one piece and not in parts with full duty paid and plus the penalty which makes the bikes legal.
I have so many examples in front of me thats why I can say this.

From earlier days (rarely now a days) there are a lot of bikes which were genuinely imported through transfer of registration process when the owners actually settled in India bringing their bikes along with them.

Now a days since the competition is more and every other dealer wants to sell bikes at a cheaper rate than the other one, the corrupt ways are adopted.

You CAN get a legally imported SBK but you might have to search hard for it. Or work/struggle hard for importing it of your own.

PS: After having a discussion with aryan I am posting this here. Let us not make this thread, a thread which will scare the prospective buyers out there and bias them for not owning their dream machines.
Let the healthy discussion continue .

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i would aggree partly with the laws being outdated but then again its almost working for the better. anyone will agree that the roads in india arent sutabile for these bikes. plus the lack of proper tracks and safety gear .

not to mention the liscening system as well. to get a bike liscent all you have to do is go around the block on a kinetic with no gears and you can go ride a litre bike after that.

all of this stuff has pretty much made bikes that much more exclusive which i dont think is a bad thing and its probably saved people from killing themselves.


looking back at my few years experience at riding these bikes i can understand why people arent allowed to ride over 250 cc bikes in the first 2 years in aus. but even when people get on them most of them still dont know how to ride. ive been learning for the past year and i still cant explain how far off i am from where i want to be
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@Sumit: I am pretty sure there are people who take the pain and go through the whole process of importing a machine by following all the prescribed rules laid down.

But, as you said because of the competition, illegal procedures are being adopted by many importers. It would be worthwhile to go through the whole process and get a legally imported machine than to get a illegal machine and hide away from the law for the rest of the machine's life.
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After getting all the boxes, they re-assembled the bike in their own small workshops which consume only 03 hours. And sell to some one after registration in some authority.
How could it be registered by some authority as its fake?

Can you explain?

Even If bribe works, later at any point of time - the customs officials could confiscate the bike right??
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Indian laws sucks , as 148% tax is nothing but a shit!. India is backward in bikes and technologies only for this stupid laws , what americans ride for 6 lakh we ride for 12 lakh here Isnt a shit? I will like to raise a voice against this stupid law, as it ruins many bikers in India..
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Indian laws sucks , as 148% tax is nothing but a shit!. India is backward in bikes and technologies only for this stupid laws , what americans ride for 6 lakh we ride for 12 lakh here Isnt a shit? I will like to raise a voice against this stupid law, as it ruins many bikers in India..
Pal, don't mind it but using the word "shit" so many times, laws of the govt won't change . request you to please use some decent language. Peace
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