A Short Guide To Supersports and Superbikes - Page 4 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

Mateen RR · 02-21-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ken cool

All these machines are mean, fast and quick. They are faster and quicker than any bike on sale. So what makes one choose a 1000 over a 600. Nothing really other than a personal choice of a bigger machine and of course the looks. I personally think that a 600 supersports is a better choice than the 1000 superbike, for the simple reason, there is no place, I repeat no place, where we can fully exploit the power of 1000 cc. And with a good rider, a 600 cc Supersports can actually beat a 1000 cc Superbike. Which is why, in more mature economies and countries, there are more 600CC RRs sold than 1000cc Superbikes. Another reason being, the 600cc Supersports has a smaller wheel base and is around 15 kilos lighter, making it one of the lightest usable motorbikes available on sale upwards of 500cc. The 600cc supersports weigh in the region of 160 kgs which is extremely light compared to normal street bikes of the same capacity which weigh some 20-40 kgs heavier. The smaller wheelbase combined with the light weight, make the 600cc supersports category one of the most nimble and easiest bikes to handle in traffic once we get the hang of it. No other bike in any category can even come close to the ease of maneuverability of the 600cc Supersports.

Good write-up overall, but there are couple that are incorrect or not covered.

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Originally Posted by ken cool

So what makes one choose a 1000 over a 600. Nothing really other than a personal choice of a bigger machine and of course the looks.

1. Agility of the bike
2. Rider's height/weight
3. Skill set
4. Insurance premium
5. Track/Road use (600s are more fun on the track)

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Originally Posted by ken cool

No other bike in any category can even come close to the ease of maneuverability of the 600cc Supersports.

Fireblades are pretty nimble. Enough to feel like you're riding a 600 at times.

vinish.nair · 03-11-2010, 09:47 AM

hey brothers
though i don't have much info about sports bikes...

can anybody tell me what category do these bikes fall into

APRILIA RS 50

Total displacement: 49.9 cc
Bore x Stroke: 39,86 x 40 mm
Compression ratio: 11,5 :1
Tyres: Front: 110/80 - 17" Rear: 130/70 - 17"
Front suspension: 40 mm upside down fork; wheel travel 120 mm
Rear suspension: Double reinforced member aluminium swingarm with bracing arch; hydraulic monoshock; wheel travel 110 mm
Dimensions: Overall length 1965 mm Overall width 720 mm Max height at windshield 1.100 mm Seat height 810 mm Wheelbase 1,310.5 mm
Fuel tank capacity: 13 litres

PRICE : 2500GBP = Rs.1,70,000/- approx

APRILIA RS 125

Total displacement: 124.8 cc
Bore x Stroke: 54 x 54,5 mm
Compression ratio: 12,5 ± 0,5:1
Tyres: Tubeless radial. Front 110/70 17”; rear 150/60 17”.
Front suspension: Upside down hydraulic fork, Ø 40 mm. Wheel travel 120 mm.
Rear suspension: Swingarm with asymmetric members in thin wall box section cast aluminium. Hydraulic monoshock with adjustable spring preload. Wheel travel 120 mm.
Dimensions: Overall length 1955 mm Overall width (at handlebars) 720 mm Overall height (at windshield) 1100 mm Seat height 805 mm Wheelbase 1345 mm
Fuel tank capacity: 14 litres (3.5 litre reserve).

PRICE : 5500 USD = Rs.2,50,000/- approx

and aren't these bikes suitable for indian roads???

Puneet1 · 03-11-2010, 10:18 AM

@^^^ they are 2 stroke bikes and they are not allowed in India due to emission laws . they are mostly sold in countries with restrictions on new riders where a learner can only ride smaller displacement bikes .

vinish.nair · 03-11-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Puneet1

they are 2 stroke bikes and they are not allowed in India due to emission laws.

man! i m unlucky

thanx for the info bro

hirenmistry · 04-12-2010, 10:48 PM

I don't know if this is the right place and it does not make sense to create a new thread for a question.

I don't think it makes sense to buy a brand new legal 1000cc bike and I don't see the government doing anything to reduce the customs duty, so the prices of the bikes will continue to remain astronomical.

Would 5-6L rupees in 3 years time be enough to buy a used legal bike?
I have recently seen a 2008 R1 being sold for around 8L and that bike had truck loads of after market parts.

I plan to buy one around end-2012. I know its a long way into the future but this will help me plan my finances properly.

Many thanks.

daxim · 04-12-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hirenmistry

I don't know if this is the right place and it does not make sense to create a new thread for a question.

I don't think it makes sense to buy a brand new legal 1000cc bike and I don't see the government doing anything to reduce the customs duty, so the prices of the bikes will continue to remain astronomical.

Would 5-6L rupees in 3 years time be enough to buy a used legal bike?
I have recently seen a 2008 R1 being sold for around 8L and that bike had truck loads of after market parts.

I plan to buy one around end-2012. I know its a long way into the future but this will help me plan my finances properly.

Many thanks.

I am looking forward to responses to this as I am in a similar boat. Would a 2008+ official (showroom purchased) Hayabusa be available around 8L by end 2010 or 2011?

Also, what is the typical depreciation trend for these showroom purchased bikes? Going by Customs guidelines for used bikes, it should be around 16%, 12%, 10% for years 1, 2 & 3 respectively. Would this be a good benchmark?

What other factors come into play? Hiren pointed out after-market parts. Mileage and condition of the bike are also there (though I would have no clue how to judge a superbike's condition).

Thanks in advance for helping us out.

hirenmistry · 04-12-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by daxim

I am looking forward to responses to this as I am in a similar boat. Would a 2008+ official (showroom purchased) Hayabusa be available around 8L by end 2010 or 2011?

Also, what is the typical depreciation trend for these showroom purchased bikes? Going by Customs guidelines for used bikes, it should be around 16%, 12%, 10% for years 1, 2 & 3 respectively. Would this be a good benchmark?

What other factors come into play? Hiren pointed out after-market parts. Mileage and condition of the bike are also there (though I would have no clue how to judge a superbike's condition).

Thanks in advance for helping us out.

Condition of the bike, thats a very important point you raise.
I guess it will make sense to lurk around the ownership threads and see how the bikes fare in the next 1-2 years.

I can only hope that people who buy official bikes take good care of the bike, atleast the official bikes on xBHP are well cared for.

Rohan Godfather · 04-13-2010, 10:30 AM

Ya you can get 2008 model at 8lks.....if you want more detail the send me PM or email me at rohannaikr6@yahoo.co.in

hirenmistry · 04-14-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohan Godfather

Ya you can get 2008 model at 8lks.....if you want more detail the send me PM or email me at rohannaikr6@yahoo.co.in

Thanks Rohan! I am not ready for a bike just yet. Will get in touch with you in the near future.

Cheers

MAN_UTD · 04-15-2010, 02:01 PM

Guys needed some help, planning to buy a used good conditioned superbike in next month just confused which to go for. I ride 220 dtsi and RX 100 and now want to upgrade to 600cc. I'm looking for a Honda cbr 600rr, ZX-6r, Gsxr600 or R6. And at what cost I can get them

03-11-2010, 09:47 AM	#32 (permalink)
vinish.nair Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: delhi Posts: 43	hey brothers though i don't have much info about sports bikes... can anybody tell me what category do these bikes fall into APRILIA RS 50 Total displacement: 49.9 cc Bore x Stroke: 39,86 x 40 mm Compression ratio: 11,5 :1 Tyres: Front: 110/80 - 17" Rear: 130/70 - 17" Front suspension: 40 mm upside down fork; wheel travel 120 mm Rear suspension: Double reinforced member aluminium swingarm with bracing arch; hydraulic monoshock; wheel travel 110 mm Dimensions: Overall length 1965 mm Overall width 720 mm Max height at windshield 1.100 mm Seat height 810 mm Wheelbase 1,310.5 mm Fuel tank capacity: 13 litres PRICE : 2500GBP = Rs.1,70,000/- approx APRILIA RS 125 Total displacement: 124.8 cc Bore x Stroke: 54 x 54,5 mm Compression ratio: 12,5 ± 0,5:1 Tyres: Tubeless radial. Front 110/70 17”; rear 150/60 17”. Front suspension: Upside down hydraulic fork, Ø 40 mm. Wheel travel 120 mm. Rear suspension: Swingarm with asymmetric members in thin wall box section cast aluminium. Hydraulic monoshock with adjustable spring preload. Wheel travel 120 mm. Dimensions: Overall length 1955 mm Overall width (at handlebars) 720 mm Overall height (at windshield) 1100 mm Seat height 805 mm Wheelbase 1345 mm Fuel tank capacity: 14 litres (3.5 litre reserve). PRICE : 5500 USD = Rs.2,50,000/- approx and aren't these bikes suitable for indian roads??? __________________ Like a true nature's child We were born, born to be wild We can climb so high I never wanna die...

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04-12-2010, 10:48 PM	#35 (permalink)
hirenmistry Bikenstein! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bombay, India Posts: 250	I don't know if this is the right place and it does not make sense to create a new thread for a question. I don't think it makes sense to buy a brand new legal 1000cc bike and I don't see the government doing anything to reduce the customs duty, so the prices of the bikes will continue to remain astronomical. Would 5-6L rupees in 3 years time be enough to buy a used legal bike? I have recently seen a 2008 R1 being sold for around 8L and that bike had truck loads of after market parts. I plan to buy one around end-2012. I know its a long way into the future but this will help me plan my finances properly. Many thanks. __________________ All riders fall; some get back on, some don't, some can't...

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Rohan Godfather Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 59	Ya you can get 2008 model at 8lks.....if you want more detail the send me PM or email me at rohannaikr6@yahoo.co.in __________________ Ronny YZF R1............

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MAN_UTD Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bandra Posts: 40	Guys needed some help, planning to buy a used good conditioned superbike in next month just confused which to go for. I ride 220 dtsi and RX 100 and now want to upgrade to 600cc. I'm looking for a Honda cbr 600rr, ZX-6r, Gsxr600 or R6. And at what cost I can get them

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