[What Bike]: P220 new, P220 FI old, FZ16 or R15? - Page 2 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

GOU · 06-05-2010, 04:12 PM

Thanks folks for the replies.

I am thinking about getting a bike almost for an year. Earlier I had decided that I will go for a bike with Mono suspension. Drove Unicorn, engine makes me feel I need more. One of my colleagues has Unicorn but he is all praise for FZ drivabity. So that left me with FZ and R15.

But than came new P220 faster than R15 costing near FZ (8k difference). TDed it found that suspension are good in absorbing pot holes. Only thing I fear is that may be dual suspensions fare well when the bike is new and after 1-2 yrs are waste

. Thats what I felt in HH Passion. So thats what concerns me.

I am looking at the comparision for shock up for P220 and FZ. If suspension in FZ is really much better in absorbing shocks than I am going to give P220 a miss.

Please Note: I am not looking at which is better technology. I know mono is better technology. I want to know from users which absorbs potholes and humps better.

Karizma is out of fray as I feel the styling is quite old and did not like the new ZMR in flesh.

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Originally Posted by Andyology

It completely depends what kind of rider are you ?

If you are more of a relaxed rider and would be commuting more with your wife i would suggest go 4 the YAMAHA FZ16.

If have racing instincts in you, you are more prone in reviving the throttle and whipping past the traffic go for the PULSAR 220FI or YAMAHA R15.

If you as a person who lies in between both of these go for HERO HONDA KARIZMA. it can be used for commuting daily to office, and can be a GOOD TOURER. Reliability, no one beats HERO HONDA.

My commute with wife is limited to 1-3 kms and occasional 6-7 kms thats it.

Yes as mentioned in my requirements, I love to speed past the traffic. Is R15 good for Bangalore traffic. I travel from J P Nagar to Domlur for office. I get severy bumper to bumper traffic (BTM, Koramangla) as well as free roads (Inner Ring road).

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Originally Posted by dineshsamtani

Looking at your requirements i would suggest a Hero Honda Karizma- R (not the ZMR). It is one of THE most comfortable touring bikes. No back aches, no wrist aches, fits your criterias.

TD it and you will feel that the bike has everything you want.

Also if you are considering Fz16 for 72k approx, rather go for a P220 or Karizma.

I like P220 more than Karizma for more powerful engine.

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Originally Posted by forty6

FZ 16. Go for it. Me thinks it is the best bike to fool around in town with. The R15 is good if you don't care about anything except corners. For the love of biking there is no better choice.

Pulsar, will obviously make you happy considering you are going to upgrade from an activa, but i don't think it fits the role you are asking for. It is a good highway cruiser, for sure but it is not as well built as a Yamaha or Hero Honda. But it has an awesome smile inducing engine.

Karizma, again is too good on bad roads and generally better in corners than the pulsar. but where it is unbeatable is for long trips. But you are not going to do them. so chuck it.

That just leaves the Fz16. It is well built. Is good in the city. It light. Has good monoshock suspension and above all has the looks to delay mid life crisis by at least half-a-decade.

if you are not averse to buying a new bike you can also try the new Honda Dazzler. But as far as my choice goes FZ16 it is.

Thats a good comparision. Would like to know how would P220 fare in city traffic, is it easy to maneouvre? Also what about R15 in city?

smoker n doper · 06-05-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GOU

Hi Friends,

Bikes I shortlisted are P220 new, P220 FI old, FZ16 and R15.

Following are main criterias I am looking at in preference order. It would be great if people could rank the bikes listed above for following criterias:

1. Suspension should be good - it should be able to absorb pot holes and humps with ease without affecting me. As you see this is top most criteria.

every bike has good suspension.

2. Good acceleration in city - I like to stay ahead when light turns grean on signals.

P220 F

3. Good drivability or roll on figures - In case of sudden breaking (humps or traffic) I should be able to pull on easily in same gear most of time.

P220 F

4. Braking and stability should be good - specially in wet conditions. Though this is not as important as others as I feel whatever I buy would be better than my current Activa

.

R15

Other important points to consider in decission making:

- I intend to drive this bike in city. Main use will be office commuting and local grocery shopping. I have car for highway/long drive and for weekend drives with family. My office is around 13km from home. So Monthly driving around 700 - 800 km.

FZ 16 > P220 F > R15

- I understand mono-suspension (used in FZ, R15 and Unicorn) is a better technology than dual rear suspensions. They do not bottom out easily. But are they better in absorbing humps and pot holes. From what I have read even P220 has soft suspension and should therefore absorb humps and pot holes in a better way. More importantly is FZ16 better than P220 in absorbing humps and potholes? Do dual suspensions have lesser life than mono suspension? It would be really helpful if I can arrive at ranking the above bikes on their ability to absorb bad roads.

already answered at starting.

- I would like bike to look good and have some exclusivity. Want to have the feeling that its different from the herd.

R15 > P220 F > Fz 16

- I am planning to buy a used bike, probably 1-2 yr old. Reasons, I want to take advantage of the depreciation. Might shift in 1-2 yrs so will not lose that much on resale. As I am not taking loan it will be cheaper on pocket.

- Since it is used bike P220 FI is also in the competition. I understand its not as fast as new P220 but not expecting much difference.

- Mileage. Not a major concern. Anything above 35 is OK.

every bike has around 35ish or even better.

- My height is 5' 10''. Is FZ good for tall people?

You are not that tall.
5'10'' is perfect for all the bikes you suggested.

Now my impressions about the bikes:

R15:
Pros: Looks are best, best engine (refined), best stability, Good suspension. I think best in all departments only thing might be that its not that great for city driving. Had a very short TD felt the engine was refined. Need to TD more
Cons: Not sure if can be driven around as easily in city. From what I have read, acceleration not that great in city traffic, might cause wrist pains in city. Also I think since its meant for racing and cornering suspension would be kept at a harder, so might not be as good on bad roads as the others - I have not tested though. Would like to know more on this
Always felt that if owning high end cars (BMW, Merc) is not possible I should atleast own a bike that looks and feels different and exclusive. R15 is nearer to that.

Suspension is Top notch AFAIK and wrist pain will perish once you get used to the riding position.

P220
Pros: Absolute value for money. P220 on road in Bangalore is around 80k and FZ16 around 72k. In 8k extra we get more powerful engine, good headlights and bigger bike. I had a short TD, drove on some bad road and suspension could easily filter it out. Seating space is good
Cons: Looks same as other pulsars except the headlight. Read that bajaj quality is not as good. Read that it vibrates a lot. Heavy. Not sure how good it is in heavy traffic

it looks same but a small twist of wrist and you are not the same anymore
seating space is good ... agreed .. but the seats are REAL hard ... you will have a gala time after shifting from activa
quality is not good ... but spares are CHEAP.
I zip zap zoom quite easily in traffic

FZ16:
Did not TD it. Planning to do it next week.
Pros: Looks. Acceleration. Bike meant for city driving. Maneouvrabilty. like to compact looks and like to see how the people easily maneouvre it in the city. Seating position
Cons: Does not have as much power as the other two. Not TDed it yet so cant say more.

its good looking too. NO COMMENTS as you are spot on.

Old P220 FI
Same as new P220 except for minor differences. Though not TDed it yet.

its a good bike.

Well, thanks folks for going through such a big post.
you are welcome.

I am waiting for suggestions.

answers in bold.

GOU · 06-05-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by smoker n doper

answers in bold.

Wow!! Thanks Ashish for replying to all the queries

. So this tilts it in P220's favour.

One thing I would like to know about old P220 FI and new P220. I know new one is faster, but believe even the older one would have good acceleration. Does old P220 FI also accelerate that well?

smoker n doper · 06-05-2010, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOU

Wow!! Thanks Ashish for replying to all the queries

. .

your welcome.

Quote:

So this tilts it in P220's favour..I know new one is faster, but believe even the older one would have good acceleration. Does old P220 FI also accelerate that well?

P220 FI has a more crisp response because of FI technology. There is not much difference in initial acceleration AFAIK.

venomafiax · 06-05-2010, 08:29 PM

for city riding and absorbing pot holes.... you definitely need the FZ.... and how you look at it is... the pulsars dual suspension is crap, what happens is the more it absorbs rough holed terrain the weaker it becomes and if you've noticed the coils are very thin and flimsy it weakens in less than a year, if the terrain your going to be riding on is really rough...since you want to go for a used bike its going to get worst because the suspension has already been weakened by the previous owner after sometime you'll feel that the ride doesn't absorb the holes anymore it will just thud up and down.... and also the handling of the pulsar is not very good for the slightest reason that its got a longer wheelbase so turning the handle in case of an emergency is gonna be tough call since your going to be running in the city. Im sure you'll find lots of drivers & riders who cut across all of a sudden and on the other hand the riding position is OK for clear roads but not when zipping through traffic i've noticed this during emergency and speed braking situations... when the brakes are applied the bike is not steady and you tend to loose control...

Why you should go for the FZ:
The Fz has got really good ride quality and grip on the roads... you'll need the grip during overtaking, cornering, braking, and steady traffic zipping... the reason being the fat tyres and the suspension!!.. the monocrosss suspension absorbs pot holes and rough terrain very well.. it doesn't bounce about like the pulsar and also on the other hand during long arched bends on gravel filled road you need to have good suspension to be in control of the bike in case someone comes head-on during overtaking or any other situation you can apply the brake and still be on the bike... unlike the pulsar will just slip and may cause injury due to its not very grippy tires and crap suspension... the FZ has good acceleration and pickup you'll definitely have control of the bike during emergency situations and braking.... the riding position is absolutely superb if you can get an FZ-s but the FZ is pretty good too... the shorter wheelbase and wide handle gives you more control of the bike in any situation....
THe FZ is the bike you need especially the looks dont compare it to anything else... its out of the league and im sure it will pass its looks on to you as-well... the R15 has a nice body but that engine and tyres dont go with it does it?the same applies to the ZMR it looks weird!!!!!
FZ is built perfectly compared to the other Indian bikes, the attachments/parts and body panels dont wiggle about making creepy noises which happens in all other indian bikes you name it.!!! its a good fit and will preserve its looks, quality, paint work and reliability, longer than the other bike!!!

the choice is your buddy.. choose wisely.... Goodluck!!!

krates · 06-05-2010, 09:01 PM

nothing beats a FZ in city be it any indian bike

.. the way it handles through the traffic is just mind blowing.. leaving a grin on your face everytime you overtake someone from the smallest gap..

smoker n doper · 06-05-2010, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venomafiax

for city riding and absorbing pot holes.... you definitely need the FZ.... and how you look at it is... the pulsars dual suspension is crap, what happens is the more it absorbs rough holed terrain the weaker it becomes and if you've noticed the coils are very thin and flimsy it weakens in less than a year, if the terrain your going to be riding on is really rough...since you want to go for a used bike its going to get worst because the suspension has already been weakened by the previous owner after sometime you'll feel that the ride doesn't absorb the holes anymore it will just thud up and down.... and also the handling of the pulsar is not very good for the slightest reason that its got a longer wheelbase so turning the handle in case of an emergency is gonna be tough call since your going to be running in the city. Im sure you'll find lots of drivers & riders who cut across all of a sudden and on the other hand the riding position is OK for clear roads but not when zipping through traffic i've noticed this during emergency and speed braking situations... when the brakes are applied the bike is not steady and you tend to loose control...

Why you should go for the FZ:
The Fz has got really good ride quality and grip on the roads... you'll need the grip during overtaking, cornering, braking, and steady traffic zipping... the reason being the fat tyres and the suspension!!.. the monocrosss suspension absorbs pot holes and rough terrain very well.. it doesn't bounce about like the pulsar and also on the other hand during long arched bends on gravel filled road you need to have good suspension to be in control of the bike in case someone comes head-on during overtaking or any other situation you can apply the brake and still be on the bike... unlike the pulsar will just slip and may cause injury due to its not very grippy tires and crap suspension... the FZ has good acceleration and pickup you'll definitely have control of the bike during emergency situations and braking.... the riding position is absolutely superb if you can get an FZ-s but the FZ is pretty good too... the shorter wheelbase and wide handle gives you more control of the bike in any situation....
THe FZ is the bike you need especially the looks dont compare it to anything else... its out of the league and im sure it will pass its looks on to you as-well... the R15 has a nice body but that engine and tyres dont go with it does it?the same applies to the
ZMR it looks weird!!!!!
FZ is built perfectly compared to the other Indian bikes, the attachments/parts and body panels dont wiggle about making creepy noises which happens in all other indian bikes you name it.!!! its a good fit and will preserve its looks, quality, paint work and reliability, longer than the other bike!!!

the choice is your buddy.. choose wisely.... Goodluck!!!

God bless you

i wont argue with you because i know it would be a waste of time.

and btw you started two threads about you getting some vibes from the handle switches and Engine shutting down on your FZ ... you should throw some light on that too it would help the TS..

and thread starter just go and pick up an FZ hands down , eyes closed .... blah blah because FZ is the WORLD's best selling bike .
Pulsar's , R15's , Zmr's are all CRAP .
You won dude .

BUT i want to tell you something as you are comparetively new to the forum :
1. Post some honest advices on the forum and that should help the thread starter ... its not like that you own a FZ so youll praise it and claim all other bikes as CRAP.

2. Learn the etiquettes about how to post on the forum .

3. Respect every bike.

4. you should be a silent spectator for now and see how all others are posting .... learn some manners and GROW UP.

5. go to threads and see what language is being used here on Xbhp and when you feel like you are ready to go then start posting until then be silent and just GRASP .

PEACE.

@ TS : dont take my words seriously.

Parth · 06-06-2010, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venomafiax

the R15 has a nice body but that engine and tyres dont go with it does it?

what the hell man, just coz you own an FZ does not mean that every other bike is bad. I could point out many cons of the fz but those would be said in a constructive manner to help the person buying the bike get a clearer idea; not the way you've posted.

@ GOU

Sir, as far as buying a used bike goes, I was told a very useful lesson by rx100.7050 , do not think about buying an FI bike unless you are really sure about the internals(which only happens when you personally know the person who's selling the bike......and he has maintained the bike well).

So, here's my answer to you question:

R15
The R15 is NOT a city bike, she does not do well in traffic jams, although you will get attention as if you were angelina jolie walking around without any clothes on :P. She's a bike that you can learn leaning on. She's the perfect starter bike for someone who wishes to join the super-bikers league in the future. A brilliant handler, with the best braking in any class, but sadly the lack of low-end torque makes you have to shift gears every now and then.

P220dtsi/220 dts-fi
Both the bikes are practically the same, and both are highway cruisers. As for city riding, you can ride a 220 easily, but the additional amount that you would be spending on the bike would be use-less (apart from exclusivity from all the other pulsars out there)......it would be like you'd be trying to race around a track with a rolls-royce while your competitors are in full-blown 800bhp nascars cars :P.....is the rolls-royce a bad car?? nope certainly not, but it's place is not on a race track. Similarly, a P220's place is on the open highways

FZ16
hmm, you want a city bike that looks good with fuel-efficiency of 35kmpl. the fz looks good, has good low-end torque(that means lesser need of shifting gears), delivers around 40kmpl if ridden sedately. There your bike dude. Go scout your local second hand market for an FZ

srini · 06-06-2010, 06:18 AM

R15 isnt exactly the kind of bike you'd like to ride in bumper to bumper traffic.it's very much fun to ride on open roads though....but having said that,I believe the FZ and P220 are bikes to buy here and i believe the P220 will suit your requirements just fine

antz.bin · 06-06-2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOU

Wow!! Thanks Ashish for replying to all the queries

. So this tilts it in P220's favour.

One thing I would like to know about old P220 FI and new P220. I know new one is faster, but believe even the older one would have good acceleration. Does old P220 FI also accelerate that well?

220 Fi is shorter geared than the new 220. 220FI gives you better roll on times than the new one. But in outright acceleration / top speed New 220 is better. FI is a bit softer sprung than the new one. i.e. plusher ride than the new one. But, new one takes advantage of the harder suspension + soft compound tyres resulting in better handling than the FI.

In other words.. 220 Fi and 220F are not 2 different bikes.. they are 2 variants of the same bike. Choose as per preference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoker n doper

God bless you

i wont argue with you because i know it would be a waste of time.

and btw you started two threads about you getting some vibes from the handle switches and Engine shutting down on your FZ ... you should throw some light on that too it would help the TS..

and thread starter just go and pick up an FZ hands down , eyes closed .... blah blah because FZ is the WORLD's best selling bike .
Pulsar's , R15's , Zmr's are all CRAP .
You won dude .

BUT i want to tell you something as you are comparetively new to the forum :
1. Post some honest advices on the forum and that should help the thread starter ... its not like that you own a FZ so youll praise it and claim all other bikes as CRAP.

2. Learn the etiquettes about how to post on the forum .

3. Respect every bike.

4. you should be a silent spectator for now and see how all others are posting .... learn some manners and GROW UP.

5. go to threads and see what language is being used here on Xbhp and when you feel like you are ready to go then start posting until then be silent and just GRASP .

PEACE.

@ TS : dont take my words seriously.

@Ashish Lolz

06-05-2010, 08:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
venomafiax Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 39	for city riding and absorbing pot holes.... you definitely need the FZ.... and how you look at it is... the pulsars dual suspension is crap, what happens is the more it absorbs rough holed terrain the weaker it becomes and if you've noticed the coils are very thin and flimsy it weakens in less than a year, if the terrain your going to be riding on is really rough...since you want to go for a used bike its going to get worst because the suspension has already been weakened by the previous owner after sometime you'll feel that the ride doesn't absorb the holes anymore it will just thud up and down.... and also the handling of the pulsar is not very good for the slightest reason that its got a longer wheelbase so turning the handle in case of an emergency is gonna be tough call since your going to be running in the city. Im sure you'll find lots of drivers & riders who cut across all of a sudden and on the other hand the riding position is OK for clear roads but not when zipping through traffic i've noticed this during emergency and speed braking situations... when the brakes are applied the bike is not steady and you tend to loose control... Why you should go for the FZ: The Fz has got really good ride quality and grip on the roads... you'll need the grip during overtaking, cornering, braking, and steady traffic zipping... the reason being the fat tyres and the suspension!!.. the monocrosss suspension absorbs pot holes and rough terrain very well.. it doesn't bounce about like the pulsar and also on the other hand during long arched bends on gravel filled road you need to have good suspension to be in control of the bike in case someone comes head-on during overtaking or any other situation you can apply the brake and still be on the bike... unlike the pulsar will just slip and may cause injury due to its not very grippy tires and crap suspension... the FZ has good acceleration and pickup you'll definitely have control of the bike during emergency situations and braking.... the riding position is absolutely superb if you can get an FZ-s but the FZ is pretty good too... the shorter wheelbase and wide handle gives you more control of the bike in any situation.... THe FZ is the bike you need especially the looks dont compare it to anything else... its out of the league and im sure it will pass its looks on to you as-well... the R15 has a nice body but that engine and tyres dont go with it does it?the same applies to the ZMR it looks weird!!!!! FZ is built perfectly compared to the other Indian bikes, the attachments/parts and body panels dont wiggle about making creepy noises which happens in all other indian bikes you name it.!!! its a good fit and will preserve its looks, quality, paint work and reliability, longer than the other bike!!! the choice is your buddy.. choose wisely.... Goodluck!!! __________________ WHo says you need a woman to feel what a ride is like???... get a bike instead!!! **the lord of the streets**

06-05-2010, 09:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
krates zzooo zooo zooooooooooo Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kanpur Posts: 247	nothing beats a FZ in city be it any indian bike .. the way it handles through the traffic is just mind blowing.. leaving a grin on your face everytime you overtake someone from the smallest gap.. __________________ Riding, loving and enjoying my lord of the streets.. FZ-S... And dreaming of an R6/R1/FZ1/CBR 1000RR

06-06-2010, 06:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
srini confused biker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: b'lore Posts: 944	R15 isnt exactly the kind of bike you'd like to ride in bumper to bumper traffic.it's very much fun to ride on open roads though....but having said that,I believe the FZ and P220 are bikes to buy here and i believe the P220 will suit your requirements just fine __________________ *as soon as i believe Im the best,Im not the best anymore...*

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