aargee

Once again with due respect & not intending to argue...
As an owner, that's my opinion too.

Practically speaking (and experienced)...our roads have potholes nor the bikes to be raced on our roads (where handling matters).

I believe (yet to try), the hard compound tires are the culprit on CBR; once they're changed to soft compound like R15/N250R, cornering should be possible with hardest rear suspension setting. As you're an expert yourself, I needless to tell you that. Did you try that? I'm really waiting for some expert to give a try with that setup & post their opinion. Idea is not to make CBR a track machine, but, to fill the stiff suspension on sports bike fact.

IMHO, one of the major setback on the STD bike is the poor brakes, otherwise, there's almost no competition for that bike on our roads (KTM 200 for now) for the practicality it offers.

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Killer

See thats where i have a slight difference of opinion but thats just me. I dont mind a slightly stiffer suspension even on our potholed roads because i can still ride over them comfortably, its just that i'll use proper riding technique and raise my butt off the seat briefly as i go over them, that way i dont even feel them and the bike will not get unsettled as it would on the cbr (bad for mid corner potholes). Thats for the really bad potholes, the rest of them yes maybe the comfort factor wont match a plush suspension but then i'd rather sacrifice a bit of comfort than handling. But again i'm not a tourer and over long distances i know things like fatigue can be a issue, so like i said, thats just me. As far as using a good handling package on our roads, i think its absolutely doable and just boils down to skill, but skill wont matter for nuts if the handling package isnt there.

There is nothing wrong with the stock tire compound. In fact the same tires are used on the one make race bikes and are pushed to extremes on the track with no grip issues. You can jack up the rear to hardest setting and it will sort the rear out to some extent on stock tires. The front however will still be a major problem, you will need to use some other solution for that like using shims inside the forks or some aftermarket adjustable options which i hear are being made available abroad.

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aargee

Guess...^^^ speaks it all. You're talking from track perspective & mine differs from it.

Major problem??? I'd rather dare to call it even pathetic, ridiculous & what not!!! Add to that the ineffective front brakes on STD version.

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Not entirely, i've done my fair share of touring, i just dont define myself as a tourer

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@aargee: A soon to be launched video will show my cbr set to stiffest of settings & a bit done to the front on the lavasa twisties

the rider sagar46 will surely quip in with his experience too

as for comfort tourer tag, except for the bit less power on the R15 there is nothing more on the cbr that surpasses that bike

Maybe it's my bike (i still get handlebar vibes above 7k rpm & below 4k rpm which I absolutely hate on the cbr) or maybe my build (lighter side) which makes me appreciate the R15 more

ps:I most certainly feel a major difference in the bike's charateristic with a pillion and on the better side but to make solid comment I only have limited experience one up.

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@Ganesh
Its pretty simple . R15 is built and optimized with a track in mind and the CBR on the other hand for the street and masses.
Both the bikes have its own market.A more spirited rider who is capable of making use of the extra what R15 offers,both on the track and streets, would obviously fancy it over a CBR(in this case-Killer and er..me :P) and someone who prefers a much relaxed all rounder would prefer the CBR(in this case you).
So its totally about what the rider wants and that is exactly what the OP should know and tell us esp when comparing bikes of different segments.

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aargee

Well, I didn't have any sort of these things in mind when I zeroed on CBR, that's probably why I don't regret or see anything better than CBR in the current market...
1. International model
2. Light on pocket
3. 250cc or more
4. Twin cylinder
5. Not an Indian manufacturer
6. Forward leaning posture
7. Easily serviced ONLY at ASC
8. Bike should do 120 all day & if opened a little should be able to do 140

The only one matched was N250R except 2 & 7, while CBR clicked except on 4. Owing to practical reasons, I picked up CBR. So all other things such as track, non track etc doesn't matter to me. The only thing that CBR disappointed me is with the front brakes...atleast for now

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princesirohi

ok, so we know, R15 has a lot better handling, cornering abilities than CBR. most of the power being available at higher rpm's.
CBR has more power than R15. power and torque available from low rpm's.

my questions are-

1. On a highway, like mumbai pune highway, if there is a race between CBR and R15, who will win, both the riders being equally skilled, both bikes stock.
2. on a race track with both bikes having stock configuration and equally skilled rider, who will win.
3. while climbing a hill, with lot of twisties, both bikes having a co-rider, rider being equally skilled, both bikes stock, who will win.

all the experts, plz answer these.

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madhav krishna

Am no expert but from the mag tests conducted its obvious that in all 3 cases the CBR will have the upper hand. Come on bro afterall there is a whole lot difference of 100cc in there. How can one expect a 250cc to be outgunned by a 150cc.

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kurtrules

I don't know how this would matter...

I ride the CBR each day 80-100kms to and from office. I enjoy the effortless thrust with just a slight twist of the throttle. It handles well, brakes effectively and touches 120 in no time... I enjoy the 1hour drive in peak traffic both in the mornings and evening

But if I were to compare the handling with the R-15 then I would have no qualms in stating that that the latter (Have ridden the R-15 for 5k, took it to a tour in Rajasthan) is superior in both handling as well as the braking department. A very fickle and one of the most responsive bikes I have ever ridden. And I am talking street/highway riding and not track!

But then again, I believe in the old school theory that there is no replacement for displacement, at least in the real world riding, if not on track. Quite frankly I have never ridden on track and never intend to do so as well. I am tourer and I believe that the CBR is better suited for that purpose, owing to its relaxed (in comparison) posture, good low end - especially advantageous in the hills (I down have to double downshift to bring it in the power band unlike the R-15 and Ninja which are comparatively high revving vehicles) and fairly good cornering abilities. Suits me.

Moreover, I rode the R-15 after 6 months and 13k of riding the CBR, and it felt oh so underpowered!

My perspective

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