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    Question Daily Commute that does NOT compromise on Comfort

    I ride a Suzuki Samurai currently. Its a good bike but the mileage is pretty low (47 when driven carefully, 42 normal city and 37 when ripped) and for the petrol it drinks it does not produce power justifying the economy. Top speed is low - just 85 on odo. I take the outer ring road @ Bangalore from BEL Circle to HSR Layout daily, this is a distance of 33km and I find my bike to be pretty uncomfortable for this trip.

    I'm looking to buy a new commute that is comfortable on these type of rides. I'm a large guy @ 85kg and 6', so midget sized bikes like my current ride are things I wish to avoid. I also need a seating position that is extremely comfortable. My Samurai is giving me a severe pain in the a$$ that reduced to an extent after getting the seat altered but is not gone entirely. I'm not selling the Samurai off (its still a good ride for short distances and its a classic not worth parting from) but need a new bike soon.

    Requirements are as follows:

    1. Bike should have proportionately good performance for the petrol it draws (no 2-strokers and 153cc Yamahas)
    2. Bike should be really comfortable to ride, and rider comfort is top priority
    3. Bike should be reliable for long term use
    4. Weekend cruising abilities appreciated
    5. Pillion comfort can be completely ignored. I ALWAYS ride solo
    6. Braking should be good enough to handle Bangalore drivers' erratic behaviour
    7. Smooth engine in speeds between 40 and 70 where I spend most of my riding time - no vibes, no overheating and stress-free engine at ANY speed between 40 and 70
    8. Budget not decided, but it should be reasonable between 50k-65k on-road Bangalore (Bangalore has the highest on-road prices so keep that in mind). If multiple bikes cover my needs I'll use mileage as deciding factor and if mileage is also same performance and then price will be deciding factor.
    9. Don't need to do cornering/stunts. Straight line comfort is all I want.
    10. Update: Mileage above 55km/l under spirited city commuting and over 60 on highway.



    Basically I need something that is like a cheaper alternative to the Suzuki GS150R (which was the first bike that seemed to fill my requirements but costs 75k)



    Bikes in my mind:



    1. Yamaha SS125
    2. Bajaj Discover 150 DTSi
    3. Bajaj Discover 125 DTSi
    4. Bajaj Discover 125 ST
    5. Suzuki Hayate
    6. Hero Achiever
    7. Bajaj Pulsar 135 LS



    First, I'm not sure if the Bajaj bikes will be comfortable enough for my size. Everyone I know who rides a Discover or P135LS is between 5'6" and Someone please confirm because then I can remove them from my list.


    SS125 seems big, has a good equipment level and proven track record but worried about mileage. Also can someone tell me what its OTR price is in Bangalore ?



    The ones in bold are the bikes I'll buy if they fill all my needs but have no idea about them.


    Hayate has a suzuki engine, and though yamaha and honda are the mainstream japs in India, being a Samurai owner I can vouch for the fact that Suzuki makes splendid engines that are long lasting. Only thing I don't know is how comfortable it is. Considering that Salman Khan (5'8") is its brand ambassador and he seems to just look normal sitting on it, I'm not sure if I'll find it comfortable. If someone has test ridden it please let me know.



    HMC's Achiever is a bike that STILLin production and costs around 67k - towards the upper end of my budget but it has the 13.3BHP Unicorn engine. Don't mind paying 1-2k extra for it because of the performance and smoothness of its engine but again how comfortable is this bike ? Is it comparable to Unicorn in size ?
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    What Bike Query Approved

    When I was reading your post, till Requirement #8, All I could think of was GS150R.

    With a max budget of 65k OTR Bangalore, we can safely skip all the 150cc bikes minus Acheiver (which makes it only after stretching) and Discover 150.

    Since both of us are almost the same size, I can safely tell you that most 125cc bikes are good enough for us, size wise.

    The following are the OTR prices of the bikes in your shortlist in Pune (Bangalore should be slightly higher for all of them)

    Yamaha SS125 - Rs.61,340
    Bajaj Discover 150 DTSi - Rs.58,107
    Bajaj Discover 125 DTSi - Rs.55,680
    Bajaj Discover 125 ST - Not Anounced
    Suzuki Hayate - Rs.46,656
    Hero Achiever - Rs.66,671
    Bajaj Pulsar 135 LS - Rs.65,269

    Disc brake is something I consider should be mandatory for all bikes used in Urban areas, Hayate doesn't have any.
    Since comfort is a criteria, stick to the Discovers / Achiever / Gladiator (SS125).

    As for Achiever, it is identical in dimensions to the Unicorn. And the Unicorn fits me well, Achiever should too.

    Finally, wait for the Discover ST before you make the final decision. Its pricing announcement is a few days away and it shouldn't exceed that of the Discover 150 in all probability.
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    Give the Dream Yuga a thought. Sounds cheap and bang for the buck.

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    Thanks for the approval. Answers in bold.

    Quote Originally Posted by antz.bin View Post
    What Bike Query Approved

    When I was reading your post, till Requirement #8, All I could think of was GS150R.
    Yup me too wanted the GS150R, but since I'm buying this with my internship money, finances are limited

    With a max budget of 65k OTR Bangalore, we can safely skip all the 150cc bikes minus Acheiver (which makes it only after stretching) and Discover 150.

    Since both of us are almost the same size, I can safely tell you that most 125cc bikes are good enough for us, size wise. Does that include the discovers as well ? All of the discovers, 100, 125 and 150 look to be similar sized and also small. Even Pulsar 135LS is small.

    The following are the OTR prices of the bikes in your shortlist in Pune (Bangalore should be slightly higher for all of them)

    Yamaha SS125 - Rs.61,340 Any idea what its mileage is ??
    Bajaj Discover 150 DTSi - Rs.58,107
    Bajaj Discover 125 DTSi - Rs.55,680
    Bajaj Discover 125 ST - Not Anounced
    Suzuki Hayate - Rs.46,656
    Hero Achiever - Rs.66,671 Surprisingly website does not list bike price in Bangalore. Any idea why ??
    Bajaj Pulsar 135 LS - Rs.65,269

    Disc brake is something I consider should be mandatory for all bikes used in Urban areas, Hayate doesn't have any.

    I learnt (the hard way) how to manage using Drums on my samurai. Careful combination of engine braking, both front and rear brakes and literally braking with my own shoes does the trick

    Anyway, reason I am considering Hayate is if does offer 70kmpl mileage and is comfy enough, I can save lots of money. Maybe retrofit slingshot disc brake setup later.

    Since comfort is a criteria, stick to the Discovers / Achiever / Gladiator (SS125).

    As for Achiever, it is identical in dimensions to the Unicorn. And the Unicorn fits me well, Achiever should too. Is the body and seat chassis identical to the Unicorn as well ? Any pics ? Because I've never seen the Achiever discussed EVER in these forums while its (IMO) better than SZ-R any day at the same price. Any Achiever owners around here ??

    Finally, wait for the Discover ST before you make the final decision. Its pricing announcement is a few days away and it shouldn't exceed that of the Discover 150 in all probability. Again confusion. It looks a lot like GS150R in proportions and build on the pics, but is it really as big ? Someone who has seen it in person confirm. Plus, I'm worried about the engine overheating because it needs to be constantly kept at 7000RPM to extract max torque, and power is at 9000RPM. Newer Bajaj bikes (D200, P200NS) have tendency of overheating so worried.
    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    Give the Dream Yuga a thought. Sounds cheap and bang for the buck.
    Not spending 56k on a bike that does not have disc brakes and that struggles over 60kmph.

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    The SS125 was in my watchlist a while ago, the mileage is only 55~60 in the real world, thought the SVC claims 65Kmpl. Best in class, and extremely underrated.

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    I have tried the Discover 150, was comfier than Pulsar 135(which has the 'Sporty' suspension). Its ridiculous how easy it is to ride this bike ANYWHERE in the urban world.

    The person riding the Discover 125ST in the following picture is 5ft 10, 90 odd kg, on the heavier side. Doesn't look that bad IMO.



    Coming to the Achiever, Chassis is somthing that HMC doesn't have expertise in modifying too much. Pretty sure it is same as Unicorn, Extreme, Hunk.

    The following article might be 1 year old, but it covers all the current 125s quite comprehensively.

    http://overdrive.in/details/351/Seven-eighths
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    The SS125 was in my watchlist a while ago, the mileage is only 55~60 in the real world, thought the SVC claims 65Kmpl. Best in class, and extremely underrated.
    55-60 mileage is fine as long as it does not go below that even on spirited riding (that is riding between max torque zone to max power zone).

    Quote Originally Posted by antz.bin View Post
    I have tried the Discover 150, was comfier than Pulsar 135(which has the 'Sporty' suspension). Its ridiculous how easy it is to ride this bike ANYWHERE in the urban world. Can you compare its comfort levels to that of the Unicorn or the GS150R ?

    The person riding the Discover 125ST in the following picture is 5ft 10, 90 odd kg, on the heavier side. Doesn't look that bad IMO. Guess I didn't mention this, but though I'm 6', my legs are as long as someone who is 6'2" (got a shorter neck and torso). Which is why I'm particular about vehicle height.

    Coming to the Achiever, Chassis is somthing that HMC doesn't have expertise in modifying too much. Pretty sure it is same as Unicorn, Extreme, Hunk. Xtreme and Hunk though have different seat setups right ? Hunk is more similar to Unicorn in seat and Xtreme has a slightly sportier seat setup. Hence the question about Achiever seat.

    The following article might be 1 year old, but it covers all the current 125s quite comprehensively. Remember reading it last year itself. But trying to benchmark 125cc and entry-level 150cc bikes against GS150R and Unicorn in terms of comfort is not something any article has ever dealt with

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHG View Post
    My Samurai is giving me a severe pain in the a$$ that reduced to an extent after getting the seat altered but is not gone entirely. I'm not selling the Samurai off

    Requirements are as follows:

    1. Bike should be really comfortable to ride, and rider comfort is top priority
    2. Smooth engine in speeds between 40 and 70 where I spend most of my riding time - no vibes, no overheating and stress-free engine at ANY speed between 40 and 70
    3. Budget not decided, but it should be reasonable between 50k-65k on-road Bangalore
    4. Don't need to do cornering/stunts. Straight line comfort is all I want.


    Basically I need something that is like a cheaper alternative to the Suzuki GS150R (which was the first bike that seemed to fill my requirements but costs 75k)



    Bikes in my mind:



    1. Yamaha SS125
    2. Bajaj Discover 150 DTSi
    3. Bajaj Discover 125 DTSi
    4. Bajaj Discover 125 ST
    5. Suzuki Hayate
    6. Hero Achiever
    7. Bajaj Pulsar 135 LS
    A very confusing post !!!

    i don't see any bike from above are comfortable bikes as you consider!!

    What different seating styles does these above bikes have which yur suzuki don't have ???

    more or less all these mentioned bikes are not comfortable bikes they are good commuter bikes with average riding style.

    as per your prime focus comfort then there is only two bikes i.e

    AWENGER and RE stables.

    But your mentioned price are no where close to it. You want little better average too i.e 47mpl+ hmmmm....


    33kms daily with comfort and average ......... thinking......


    why not a SZr any issues with Yamaha ?? Honda Unicorn ??? but th eprice is 10k more.

    But i would recommend Awenger for your back and litle upgradetion on budget and little switch down to mileage.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by somen1984 View Post
    A very confusing post !!!

    i don't see any bike from above are comfortable bikes as you consider!!

    What different seating styles does these above bikes have which yur suzuki don't have ???z

    more or less all these mentioned bikes are not comfortable bikes they are good commuter bikes with average riding style.

    as per your prime focus comfort then there is only two bikes i.e

    AWENGER and RE stables.

    But your mentioned price are no where close to it. You want little better average too i.e 47mpl+ hmmmm....


    33kms daily with comfort and average ......... thinking......


    why not a SZr any issues with Yamaha ?? Honda Unicorn ??? but th eprice is 10k more.

    But i would recommend Awenger for your back and litle upgradetion on budget and little switch down to mileage.....
    If you are large, try riding a Samurai for 66km daily on Outer Ring Road Bangalore and you won't call it comfortable.

    SZ-R removed from consideration because of poor fuel efficiency for the power it produces.

    Avenger is completely out of my budget hence not considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHG View Post
    If you are large, try riding a Samurai for 66km daily on Outer Ring Road Bangalore and you won't call it comfortable.

    SZ-R removed from consideration because of poor fuel efficiency for the power it produces.

    Avenger is completely out of my budget hence not considered.
    I am not larger my friend i am very average heighted 5.5' Ft

    But now it's very clear that you need some good mileage bike becuase SZ does give 45kmpl+ and 50+kmpl on highways. But it's your choice.

    Yes i have seen many riders of 6ft riding rx or samurai or shogun and believe me it won't make a difference to you in terms of comfort. It will be same. But yes ST/SZ/Unicorn/Dazzler/GS150/ have little more comfortable riding postions than Shine/Yuga/Boxer/Splendour etc.

    Friend any 100cc bike would give you a very decent average!!

    But yes comfort won't. Comfort means RE/Avengers only.

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