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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post
    Well, bad news: the FZ's I found for 267,000 RS New are 150cc, fuel injectioned, awesome looking bikes, but 250's they are not. The Yamaha FZ25 is either nonexistent, or extremely rare in Nepal, so although I really like them conceptually, and financially, they are out. Sadness.

    The Dukes are very plentiful, but I'm not crazy about the stiff suspension, which has led me to consider the Dominar and Mojo, as they are both available, and priced much like the Duke 390.

    How does the build quality, suspension, reliability, and access to service networks (in India) compare between the Dominar, Duke 390, and Mojo?
    Hey James check the new BSIV Himalayan, it comes with fuel injection now.

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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deathwing View Post
    Hey James check the new BSIV Himalayan, it comes with fuel injection now.
    In India, yes, in Nepal, I'm not sure it will get fuel injection. Nepal didn't get the FZ25 at all for example, so the markets are a little different. I'll keep my ear to the ground, but the high purchase price (around $8500 USD in Nepal), coupled with the lack of tubeless tires (probably a bigger issue than the FI for ease of use), mean that I'm still leaning towards a Duke. The Himalayan sure is a looker though! Gorgeous bike...much want, many desire, such wow.

    If I can figure out a way to get a long term visa I might well take the plunge and get a more expensive bike like the Himalayan, but as it stands now I've got 3 months in Nepal, and only 6 months in India on tourist visas to enjoy whatever I get, before I have to sell it. If I can swing it though, I'll get a student visa or something so I can stay year 'round, I've heard there are ways for 1000 USD, and a few language lessons to "qualify" for a year long student visa.

    If the visas don't go in my favor, after my nine months are up I may kill the remaining 3 months a year in Cambodia, then repeat the next year in the same way, or if I can't adjust to life in India / Nepal, its South America next...

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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post
    In India, yes, in Nepal, I'm not sure it will get fuel injection. Nepal didn't get the FZ25 at all for example, so the markets are a little different. I'll keep my ear to the ground, but the high purchase price (around $8500 USD in Nepal), coupled with the lack of tubeless tires (probably a bigger issue than the FI for ease of use), mean that I'm still leaning towards a Duke. The Himalayan sure is a looker though! Gorgeous bike...much want, many desire, such wow.

    If I can figure out a way to get a long term visa I might well take the plunge and get a more expensive bike like the Himalayan, but as it stands now I've got 3 months in Nepal, and only 6 months in India on tourist visas to enjoy whatever I get, before I have to sell it. If I can swing it though, I'll get a student visa or something so I can stay year 'round, I've heard there are ways for 1000 USD, and a few language lessons to "qualify" for a year long student visa.

    If the visas don't go in my favor, after my nine months are up I may kill the remaining 3 months a year in Cambodia, then repeat the next year in the same way, or if I can't adjust to life in India / Nepal, its South America next...
    Well either ways, good luck, the traffic here, I would describe it a bit chaotic, I'm sure you would got a culture shock, but I spose financially , India makes more sense, in terms of money and where u can tour if you choose to. An American motovlogger yammie noob is coming to the himalayas , he said he's getting a classic 500 , I think he should get a Himalayan with nobby tyres .

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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Why dont you try the renting option in India? I mean, instead of buying the bike. Are you permanently moving here or just here for travelling purpose for few months?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajextreme View Post
    Why dont you try the renting option in India? I mean, instead of buying the bike. Are you permanently moving here or just here for travelling purpose for few months?
    Exactly my thoughts. Renting a suitable bike for the months he's in India makes more sense than buying a new one in Nepal while paying exorbitant duties & taxes.

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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post
    Well, bad news: the FZ's I found for 267,000 RS New are 150cc, fuel injectioned, awesome looking bikes, but 250's they are not. The Yamaha FZ25 is either nonexistent, or extremely rare in Nepal, so although I really like them conceptually, and financially, they are out. Sadness.

    The Dukes are very plentiful, but I'm not crazy about the stiff suspension, which has led me to consider the Dominar and Mojo, as they are both available, and priced much like the Duke 390.

    How does the build quality, suspension, reliability, and access to service networks (in India) compare between the Dominar, Duke 390, and Mojo?
    Since you will be purchasing the bike to tour so availability of service center and spares will be extrmely important

    Himalayan - Availability of spares is not easy from what I read in various ownership threads. The plus point being you will find an RE service station everywhere

    Same for CBR250 although the reliability will be very high.

    Coming onto KTM, is the KTM Duke 250 available in Nepal? If yes then it should become your immediate choice in the KTM range

    Between the Dominar and Mojo although the first one is relatively new but you will get support in almost all places in India which won't be the case for Mojo as the service centers will be less

    If I were you among the options will choose one between Dominar or Mojo. Considering the fact that my primary usage will be touring
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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
    To start with you won't find anything remotely similar to your Yamahas here. You might get some, but not all the qualities you liked in a bike.

    The Duke 200 doesn't hit speeds where wind fatigue would play a major role. The downside is that the bike has a peculiar riding posture, where the rider is glued, there is not much room to move around, which can be a bit tiresome while riding long distance. The bike has a relatively stiffer suspension, which doesn't absorb bumps. Though it will remain composed and handle well, but the rider's body takes a beating. Also take into account the smaller fuel tank. Tyres can always be swapped.

    The 390 is similar in character as the 200. Though faster, and the new one gets a larger fuel tank to aid in touring. But its practically a brand new bike from the ground up, so 'teething' issues might be there with the first few lots. Hopefully by June such problems should be solved. You can always get a windscreen fitted for some protection.

    The Himalayan is what it is. A lot of owners are happy and a lot of owners would be happy to burn it to the ground!

    The CBR 250 is FI and not carb. It has a softer suspension compared to the Dukes, as such is more comfortable. But it needs to be revved up for riding. Might not be a lot of fun when riding long distance.

    The FZ 25 would be a better choice compared to the 150. FI. Softer suspension. Tyres can be changed. Will handle bumps effortlessly. Comfortable. Just not very powerful. Also light weight.

    The AS 200 production has been stopped. The NS 200 is available. Basically the same bike, but naked. Neither has FI, both are carb.

    Check out the Dominar as well, though it is porky!

    The FZ 25 or Duke 390 should be the best trade-off in my opinion, depending on how much you want to spend.
    i just got a message back from MAW in Nepal, and they are getting FZ25's in. "Will handle bumps effortlessly." Yamaha reliability and it can take bumps? Even if I have to buy MAW's tester bike they already have in, or wait a month and rent during that time I will. I am sold on the FZ25.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
    Build quality. The three are at par.

    Suspension. Duke the stiffest. Mojo pogos, while the Dominar is reasonably stable.

    Reliability. The Dominar and Duke 390 are both relatively new bikes, so difficult to comment on reliability. Most owners have been quite happy with the Mojo, though there have been instances of rotten eggs.

    Service Networks. The Dominar and Duke score substantially over the Mojo here. Bajaj has a much larger service network in India as compared to Mahindra Two Wheelers. Though you will not find spares easily in smaller cities for any of the three bikes!
    "Mojo pogos..." I read this in a review as well, that it was due to chassis flex. Nope, no Mojo for me then! I am keeping the Dominar in the back of my mind in case the FZ absolutely cannot happen, but it looks like it will!

    Quote Originally Posted by ajextreme View Post
    Why dont you try the renting option in India? I mean, instead of buying the bike. Are you permanently moving here or just here for travelling purpose for few months?
    I want to move to India, but I doubt I qualify for a long term Visa; although I've heard qualifying for a student visa is actually pretty easy. My plan was to spend six months a year in India, six months in Nepal, and just live like that for at least a few years. I have some problems with a number things happening in the US right now, and paying $40,000 USD a year to deal with problems is something I can't take anymore; I will deal with problems, but at $20k usd a year tops! Even if it's only six months I'd rather own than rent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retro View Post
    Exactly my thoughts. Renting a suitable bike for the months he's in India makes more sense than buying a new one in Nepal while paying exorbitant duties & taxes.
    I want to be able to pick the model of bike, and take it on potentially long, like across the country, trips. At $30+ usd/day for the types of bikes I want to use for six months renting would be pretty expensive too. If I buy and end up being unable to handle life in India / Nepal for some reason I can also get some of my money back. Additionally if I am able I'd like to move there permanently; if I can swing a visa in India I wouldn't even have to spend half of each year in Nepal.

    Quote Originally Posted by MG View Post
    Since you will be purchasing the bike to tour so availability of service center and spares will be extrmely important

    Himalayan - Availability of spares is not easy from what I read in various ownership threads. The plus point being you will find an RE service station everywhere

    Same for CBR250 although the reliability will be very high.

    Coming onto KTM, is the KTM Duke 250 available in Nepal? If yes then it should become your immediate choice in the KTM range

    Between the Dominar and Mojo although the first one is relatively new but you will get support in almost all places in India which won't be the case for Mojo as the service centers will be less

    If I were you among the options will choose one between Dominar or Mojo. Considering the fact that my primary usage will be touring
    The KTM is out due to the stiff suspension, although the older models can be had fairly affordably, and all KTMs seem to have decent reliability, and good power.
    The Dominar is probably now my second choice, and if things don't work out on the FZ25 I know there is a Dominar for sale in Kathmandu for 4L.

    Thank you guys for your responses! Without them I would have probably gotten a RE Himalayan, or a Duke 200, or perhaps even a Honda Unicorn or something. All of those bikes have been eliminated due to your inputs.

    I've been reading the touring reports, and I am so excited to catch a plane out of here! I see many people using R15s, FZ150s, REs, Pulsars, CBRs, whatever, you name it, you guys are touring with it! The Indian touring community is truly inspiring, especially coming from the US, where people are reluctant to ride anything under 600cc on the highway, let alone across states, and people here would never take a street bike off-road! Thanks again for all the excellent advice!

    James Boatwright
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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post
    The KTM is out due to the stiff suspension, although the older models can be had fairly affordably, and all KTMs seem to have decent reliability, and good power.
    The Dominar is probably now my second choice, and if things don't work out on the FZ25 I know there is a Dominar for sale in Kathmandu for 4L.
    Just one last point. FZ25 might feel a tad underpowered for your requirement.

    The newer 2017 KTM's are more roomy and suspension setup on a tad softer side and hence I suggested the 250

    My suggestion to you will be to take test ride of atleast 3-4 bikes that is in your radar before finally purchasing one

    Btw when are you landing in Nepal? Do keep us posted with your progress

    And yes we are touring in India in our 150-200cc bikes for quite some time now. In the last 3-4 years things have moved to 250-400cc class
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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post

    I've been reading the touring reports, and I am so excited to catch a plane out of here! I see many people using R15s, FZ150s, REs, Pulsars, CBRs, whatever, you name it, you guys are touring with it! The Indian touring community is truly inspiring, especially coming from the US, where people are reluctant to ride anything under 600cc on the highway, let alone across states, and people here would never take a street bike off-road! Thanks again for all the excellent advice!

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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by MG View Post
    Just one last point. FZ25 might feel a tad underpowered for your requirement.

    The newer 2017 KTM's are more roomy and suspension setup on a tad softer side and hence I suggested the 250

    My suggestion to you will be to take test ride of atleast 3-4 bikes that is in your radar before finally purchasing one

    Btw when are you landing in Nepal? Do keep us posted with your progress

    And yes we are touring in India in our 150-200cc bikes for quite some time now. In the last 3-4 years things have moved to 250-400cc class
    Sound advice. I will pop a leg over the FZ, KTM, Dominar, and maybe something else as well before handling over my cash. I've riden a bike with only 26 hp here, so I have always been an odd bird amongst the liter bike majority here; point is I may be able to tolerate the FZ25's low power better than some. That being said I wish it was a 4 valve developing 30 hp rather than 20.

    I fly out of Seattle on June 14, and land in Kathmandu on June 15. I will certainly post again and let you know what trouble I've gotten myself into; thank you very much for your interest!

    Cheers!

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