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    Question Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Hello,

    I am planning on moving to Nepal / India exclusively for the purpose of motorcycle touring, and general tourism. I already bought my plane ticket, and I will arrive in Nepal in June, at which point I plan to buy a bike, and ride for the Golden Temple. I really want to see Mauryan architecture, as well as Kalinga stuff, so from Punjab I may well head for Orissa.

    I have owned two Yamaha WR250X's, one of which was stock and made 26 horse, and one which had intake, exhaust, and a dyno tune and made 30 hp. The WR250 weights only 136 kg, has dual disc brakes, a rear monoshock, fuel injection, and a seat height of ~890mm. I am 5' 7" (170cm) and could only touch with my toes on my WR's, but due to the light weight, and 95% on-road use they saw, this was not a problem. The best thing about the WR is you can be almost completely leaned in cornering, hit a pothole, or even a curb, and the suspension will eat it up! (This is very important to me.)

    I'd like a bike with a seat height around 800mm or less, a rear monoshock suspension (must have), dual disc brakes, and fuel injection, although I can live without the fuel injection if I must.

    (^SKIP READING ALL OF THE ABOVE IF YOU WANT.)

    Bikes under consideration:

    KTM Duke 200 - Pros: The transmission sounds like it has much better ratios for poor road conditions (off road type stuff) than the Duke 390. The price and weight are attractive.
    Cons: The stock tires suck compared to the Duke 390's. No fairing and a light weight could mean bad wind-fatigue on the highway.
    Burning question: Can the suspension handle bumps / holes when cornering?

    KTM Duke 390 - Pros: It makes good power, and is heavy enough it won't get tossed around in the wind.
    Cons: None?
    Burning question: Same as above!

    Royal Enfield Himalayan - Pros: Is similar to the type of bike I am comfortable with. The suspension looks like it will eat up potholes, even when cornering.
    Cons: https://www.motorbeam.com/2017/03/bi...-way-too-many/ (...soul crushing.)
    Burning question: ...Is it really as bad as it sounds? (*cries in adventure bikelessness*)

    Honda CBR 250R - Pros: The fairing should make wind-fatigue nonexistent. Reliable.
    Cons: Carbureted. I can't imagine this thing takes bumps too well (?), poor off-road performance.
    Burning question: Is a CBR or an FZ a better bike at eating bumps?

    Yamaha FZ - Pros: Many models have fairings. Affordable. Reliable.
    Cons: Carbureted. Poor off-road performance.
    Burning question: Same as above!

    Bajaj AS200 - Pros: Fuel injected, ABS, dual disc, fairing; all the features anyone could desire. Affordable.
    Cons: Questionable reliability. Poor off-road performance.
    Burning question: Vs a carbureted, non-ABS bike like an FZ or CBR which would you take?

    Overall I am leaning towards a Duke 200, but I am worried about having a bike with stiff, sport bike-like suspension; even in the US I insist on riding bikes with suspension that can eat up potholes, even during cornering.

    Also if the Himalayan is too crappy to get, so I'm stuck getting a bike with stiff suspension (assuming the Dukes have a sport bike-like, and not a dual sport-like suspension,) I may as well get a bike with a fairing, and avoid wind-fatigue.

    Well, thank you for reading; thank you for your time! I have enjoyed reading many of your trip logs, and bike selection questions, and look forward very much to entering the world of Indian touring!

    Cheers,

    James Boatwright

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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post
    Hello,

    Bajaj AS200 - Pros: Fuel injected, ABS, dual disc, fairing; all the features anyone could desire. Affordable.
    Cons: Questionable reliability. Poor off-road performance.
    Burning question: Vs a carbureted, non-ABS bike like an FZ or CBR which would you take?


    Cheers,

    James Boatwright

    Just 2 points.
    The AS200 is actually Carb, not fuel injected, ulness you mean the RS200.
    AS200 http://park.shifting-gears.com/wp-co...0-review-8.jpg
    RS 200 https://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/...n-Track-04.jpg

    And secondly, I have an AS200 for sale, in Amritsar (city of Golden Temple, where you are first arriving), so incase you are interested, you might as well check it out. The link is in my signature at the bottom of the post.
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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    To start with you won't find anything remotely similar to your Yamahas here. You might get some, but not all the qualities you liked in a bike.

    The Duke 200 doesn't hit speeds where wind fatigue would play a major role. The downside is that the bike has a peculiar riding posture, where the rider is glued, there is not much room to move around, which can be a bit tiresome while riding long distance. The bike has a relatively stiffer suspension, which doesn't absorb bumps. Though it will remain composed and handle well, but the rider's body takes a beating. Also take into account the smaller fuel tank. Tyres can always be swapped.

    The 390 is similar in character as the 200. Though faster, and the new one gets a larger fuel tank to aid in touring. But its practically a brand new bike from the ground up, so 'teething' issues might be there with the first few lots. Hopefully by June such problems should be solved. You can always get a windscreen fitted for some protection.

    The Himalayan is what it is. A lot of owners are happy and a lot of owners would be happy to burn it to the ground!

    The CBR 250 is FI and not carb. It has a softer suspension compared to the Dukes, as such is more comfortable. But it needs to be revved up for riding. Might not be a lot of fun when riding long distance.

    The FZ 25 would be a better choice compared to the 150. FI. Softer suspension. Tyres can be changed. Will handle bumps effortlessly. Comfortable. Just not very powerful. Also light weight.

    The AS 200 production has been stopped. The NS 200 is available. Basically the same bike, but naked. Neither has FI, both are carb.

    Check out the Dominar as well, though it is porky!

    The FZ 25 or Duke 390 should be the best trade-off in my opinion, depending on how much you want to spend.
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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Ah, actually I was thinking of the AS200, but after checking around further I see that the website I first read about it on was mistaken, or maybe I just misread, considering the RS200 seems to have everything I thought the AS200 had.

    I appreciate your offer on the AS200 you have for sale, but if I do get a Bajaj, I want to get the RS200 for the features; it looks like a killer bike for the price.

    Also as an American I have to buy my bike in Nepal, because foreigners cannot title bikes in India; which sucks big time as Nepal has a 200-300% import tax, so all the bikes being considered cost 2-3x more than what you pay in India!

    A CBR250R ABS model costs 5,99,000 RS in Nepal, for example; well a Bajaj Pulsar RS 200 costs 3,99,000. Mojos and Dominars are also available within my price range, but I'd probably go with a CBR for reliability over them, or a RS200 or Duke 200 for cost and weight. The RE looks great to me, appearance wise, as well as conceptually, but everywhere I read about them people tear them to pieces, and the criticism sounds fair.

    The FZ25 is a neat fuel injected bike, with a great price tag, but it is air cooled..even still its one of the strongest contenders in my view at the moment.
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    Default Re: Tourer for rough roads, RE Him. CBR250, Fz150, Duke?

    Hi james
    Been an owner of a Duke 390 and haven ridden both the Himalayan and Standard 500, my recommendation is to go for the Himalayan. Additionally assuming you are tall, the bike will be more comfortable for you. Also it provides the following benefits (for your requirements)
    1. Large fuel tank (15 L) with a decent range
    2. Enough space / options to carry additional fuel tanks and luggage
    3. RE service centers are available all across India


    You can also look at the option of renting out these bikes for a few days and then deciding.

    Best of luck & ride safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBoatwright View Post
    Ah, actually I was thinking of the AS200, but after checking around further I see that the website I first read about it on was mistaken, or maybe I just misread, considering the RS200 seems to have everything I thought the AS200 had.

    The only difference between the AS200 and the RS200 is that the latter has fuel injection, whereas the former is carb.

    This comparo might help you further. Bajaj Puslar RS200 Vs Pulsar AS200 Comparison Review | Latest Bike Reviews (Aug '15) - ChooseMyBike.in

    I appreciate your offer on the AS200 you have for sale, but if I do get a Bajaj, I want to get the RS200 for the features; it looks like a killer bike for the price.

    No issues.
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    Thank you for the replies gentlemen; you have helped me narrow down the field already!

    The FZ25 and the Dukes look to be the most suitable of the bunch after reading your comments.

    I have until June, so of course I'll have plenty of time to think this through.
    @scarecrow - Man, on paper, I couldn't agree more: the Himalayan has it all (well except fuel injection), but man...the horror stories littered throughout this site and elsewhere.. Even the RE fans and riders seem to agree that RE bikes require a fair bit of work. I really appreciate your feedback on them though, hell if enough people say similarly positive things maybe I'll talk myself into it, but the lack of tubeless tires, and the fact that I could buy two brand new FZ25s for the price of a Himalayan makes it a hard sell.

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    Well, bad news: the FZ's I found for 267,000 RS New are 150cc, fuel injectioned, awesome looking bikes, but 250's they are not. The Yamaha FZ25 is either nonexistent, or extremely rare in Nepal, so although I really like them conceptually, and financially, they are out. Sadness.

    The Dukes are very plentiful, but I'm not crazy about the stiff suspension, which has led me to consider the Dominar and Mojo, as they are both available, and priced much like the Duke 390.

    How does the build quality, suspension, reliability, and access to service networks (in India) compare between the Dominar, Duke 390, and Mojo?

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    How does the build quality, suspension, reliability, and access to service networks (in India) compare between the Dominar, Duke 390, and Mojo?
    Build quality. The three are at par.

    Suspension. Duke the stiffest. Mojo pogos, while the Dominar is reasonably stable.

    Reliability. The Dominar and Duke 390 are both relatively new bikes, so difficult to comment on reliability. Most owners have been quite happy with the Mojo, though there have been instances of rotten eggs.

    Service Networks. The Dominar and Duke score substantially over the Mojo here. Bajaj has a much larger service network in India as compared to Mahindra Two Wheelers. Though you will not find spares easily in smaller cities for any of the three bikes!
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