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    Quote Originally Posted by gautam_k View Post
    how come? the line that you traced(steering axis) and the line in the first post are always parallel right? if yes, then the rake angle shouldn't differ, only the trail length should differ.
    That was the same geometry that got me thinking

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    my bad guys...alchohol talking at night...thanks for correcting me

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    Quote Originally Posted by avinrichards View Post
    ^^Hey.. either ways... both the angles are same right ? I mean.. by geometry rules and stuff.
    no mate, they aren't two angles, but two different geometrical terms (rake is the angle and trail is the distance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by satya_3d View Post
    no mate, they aren't two angles, but two different geometrical terms (rake is the angle and trail is the distance)
    he was referring to the rake angles in the first fig and the corrected figure
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    Quote Originally Posted by rajesh1136 View Post
    Sorry if it is a silly doubt... im not understanding it...

    see yesterday i skid and fell . reason.. one lady crossed in middle of the road.

    she approached from right and if i have to escape i have some space in the left side of the road. which even i tried but couldnt do it. panicked and applied brakes which made me to fall down

    my question.. if you push right obviously the wheel will turn to left and my bike will go left...

    how it will go right if i push right... may be if i pull from left the bike will turn left.
    No. You're wrong. Imagine drifting in a car. Since it has 4 wheels, taking a turn at normal speed, say a fast left turn, you turn the steering wheel left. But go into that turn too fast and you might end up in big trouble. But if you could drift out of it, i.e., turning the steering to the right after a slight hint of anti-clockwise rotation to the steering wheel(when in the driver's seat), the car goes to the left. But you have to have the right speed, skill, etc. to do that in a car.
    Same applies to the bike. I'm sure you've experienced being pushed to the right when you turn too fast to the left in a car or vice-versa. That's what happens on a bike too, i.e., you are pushed to the right if you push the handle bar on the right but you actually tend to turn right when you do so. But to help corner better and safer at high speed on a bike, you shift your body to the right yourself(consciously) and are actually counter steering with the handle bar turned slightly to the left and negotiating a right turn, but unable to detect it because that bit is hard to explain :-P .
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    hmm, I'm not sure a reference to a car is the most appropriate analogy here since countersteering doesn't really apply to cars and can only confuse someone more.

    Anyway the important thing is to be consciously aware that such a thing exists and is fundamental to riding (and to practice it always ). The videos on the previous page do a great job of explaining it so there's no need to talk about it further.

    The interesting thing about it though is that once it becomes second nature, your first instinct will be to steer the bike rather than jump on the brakes and you most likely will get around the obstacle with ease instead of fighting the bike. When you felt the bike wasn't turning it was because you wanted to go one way and the bike wanted to go the other,

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    Well counter steering has become a common instinct for me.
    Weaving,leaning through traffic at considerable speeds without much struggling for braking requires good timing,experience and ofcourse confidence.
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    can anybody explain about the how cornering behavior is dependent upon handle bar (length, angles, and positioning). and also does removing handlebar weights affect highspeed and cornering stability of bike?

    satya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satya_3d View Post
    can anybody explain about the how cornering behavior is dependent upon handle bar (length, angles, and positioning).
    As far as I know, not much (if any) with respect to cornering (unless you are differentiating between a chopper and sport, the extremes). That is why riders mod handle bars (especially on supersports) for comfort without worrying about affecting cornering. A very popular choice are heli bars:

    Heli Modified, Maine | HeliBars

    and also does removing handlebar weights affect highspeed and cornering stability of bike?

    satya.
    Definitely, especially on supersports. My bike comes with an electronic steering dampener (fancy term for electronically controlled weight). The dampening is modified based on what speed I am at, I am not going to mess around with it in the near future . I also heard that with steering dampeners, tank slappers have become a thing of the past (I hope I am not wrong on this one).

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    The bike behaves in a different way depending up on the amount of force applied on the handle bar, while countersteering

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