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    Quote Originally Posted by VaibhavPisal View Post
    All posts here appear to debate if cbr150 is even a good bike? it is undoubted that its a very capable and potent machine. if I were to change anything, I would'nt mind it getting cheaper by 20k. that too just cause of competition. I mean why would anyone go for 150 when 250 is so close. and if sporty bike is so important, why not a commited one? I don't think anyone will buy it over 250r only cause of high revving engine, cause if you are that big a sport rider, why that upright seating position and harder tires than R15?
    So, ultimately only price is a bit high, that too not by much.
    If you have test rode The 150R and the 250R by now you would know that the 150R is lightweight, more flickable, handles better(obviously) and is more confident when leaning around the corners at high speeds. The tyres are a whole lot better too and the 250R's front suspension dive is absent.
    It is easy to manuever such a light bike in the city compared to the 250.
    Basically two different bikes again with two different categories.
    This is like the nth time im telling people that bikes have very little do with the engine capacity and spec sheets.

    Oh and then there is the aam junta factor of better fuel efficiency and longterm maintenance factor.

    So you see, there is a lot of difference between owning one bike that is 30k more than what you set out to buy. Ofcourse if u have the moolah, you can always spend that 30k and get the 250 and you will be able to live with it, but there are people who can spend 30k more for the 250, but may not be able to afford maintaining one as a long termer.

    And for ur second question, if by committed you mean the R15 then i would like to ask you, what difference did the seating position and a raised pillion seat do on the track when the 150R was being track tested by the same rider to be a second quicker than the R15? If anything i think the presence of extended pillion seat and the upright seating position is actually a boon(something the R15 v1 possessed and it sold very well and targetted all audience from college goers to working husbands didnt it? despite people nagging about the skinny rear tyre) So are you telling me the older v1 R15 wasnt track focussed too?
    Here's a quote for you:
    Quote Originally Posted by paulpg.s2s View Post

    RIDING POSTURE: for those of u who argue that the CBR 150r, being a track oriented bike, the said bike is aimed at boy racers and commuters alike. riding in comfort is no sin and throughout the CBR lineage, it is to be noted that all CBRs were very comfortable and easy to live with, be it the litre class or the 600s or in our case in the 150 segment. at the end of the day, its no use if u end up wit a sore back after u ride! function definitely takes the upper hand here than form.
    Quote Originally Posted by catchdebanjan View Post
    Well i dont know if u would agree but, its often the case that people frown up 1lakh + bikes ever since the Nano came in...

    Coz even today bikes to millions of Indians is nothing more than a commuting tool


    Exactly. Its been nearing a year since i owned the 250 now, and to this date i get to hear a lot from the extended family and friends as to how i couldve bought myself a car with that sort of money!
    People just do not understand the difference between a 150cc commuter and a 150cc sports bike at all. The only thing they care about is F.E and the initial cost.

    Also the 150R is expensive because if you go through history, you would notice that DOHC units have always been more expensive to manufacture compared to their SOHC counterpart. DOHC is complicated in terms of manufacturing compared to SOHCs.

    And yes the bike seems overpriced and will certainly put off certain buyers, but at the same time there are people who would buy it based on the feel of the bike rather than "word of mouth" from magazines. The v1 R15's skinny tyre was being targetted for almost a year and then things changed forever. The same could happen to the 150R. People who understand the difference between the two will pick either of the bikes based on their personal preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaibhavPisal View Post
    whoa!!! a comfortable sports bike. quiet contrary terms are'nt they? all R1s, fireblades, not to mention ducati bikes have 40-60 wieght distribution are'nt they? I feel all manufacturers are making big mistakes by giving racy front biased ergos to their sportbikes, when they can have nice upright, comfortable seating ergos.

    fireblade is easy to live with cause its compact, light weight, easy to handle etc and feels smaller and lighter than any bike that makes 180 bhp has any right to. don't be mistaken that it has an upright seating position or any compromises in riding fast.

    A bike that is comfortable is a tourer or a commuter, but sporty is quiet contrary to that.
    ...thanks for making me aware of what Fireblade really is! Anyways...

    "A comfortable sportbike" aren't contrary terms Vaibhav. And why should they be contrary? I am aware that Fireblade doesn't have an upright riding stance (never said it has), but ride a ducati 1198 and Fireblade back to back and you'll understand what a comfortable sportbike means. And that is what I meant by a comfortable sportbike, with respect to sportbike ergonomics. I never mentioned or wanted a sportbike to be as comfortable as a tourer or a commuter in general. You misunderstood.

    And just to add, lately even some motorcycle manufacturers are working towards making rider ergonomics more comfortable in their respective liter class motorcycles. Latest example is Ducati Panigale, it looks as sharp as a Ducati can get but it's their most comfortable superbike so far. And many professional riders have termed it to be more japanese in rider comfort (read latest superbike smackdown on motorcycleusa.com). Another example is KTM RC8, it looks extremely sharp as well but it is one of the more comfortable sportbikes to ride that you can happily spend a day on. It also offer adjustable handlebar, footpegs and seat height so that riders can set them as per their preferences (racy or more comfortable). I am sure you are aware of these as well.

    And as mentioned by Nithesh, more comfortable ergonomics of CBR150R (please do not read comfortable as in commuter class) doesn't make it a 150cc slouch. It laps quicker than an R15 on a track. And on the street also it's going to be pretty competitive, we can safely assume this much if not more. It's more of a matter of personal choice of what type of ergonomics you prefer. I repeat one final time, when I say a comfortable sportbike I mean comfortable rider ergonomics among sportbike class. Not comfortable as in commuter or a tourer.
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    @Satellite,
    Nice explanations that i never knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satellite.kid View Post
    ...thanks for making me aware of what Fireblade really is! Anyways...

    "A comfortable sportbike" aren't contrary terms Vaibhav. And why should they be contrary? I am aware that Fireblade doesn't have an upright riding stance (never said it has), but ride a ducati 1198 and Fireblade back to back and you'll understand what a comfortable sportbike means. And that is what I meant by a comfortable sportbike, with respect to sportbike ergonomics. I never mentioned or wanted a sportbike to be as comfortable as a tourer or a commuter in general. You misunderstood.

    And just to add, lately even some motorcycle manufacturers are working towards making rider ergonomics more comfortable in their respective liter class motorcycles. Latest example is Ducati Panigale, it looks as sharp as a Ducati can get but it's their most comfortable superbike so far. And many professional riders have termed it to be more japanese in rider comfort (read latest superbike smackdown on motorcycleusa.com). Another example is KTM RC8, it looks extremely sharp as well but it is one of the more comfortable sportbikes to ride that you can happily spend a day on. It also offer adjustable handlebar, footpegs and seat height so that riders can set them as per their preferences (racy or more comfortable). I am sure you are aware of these as well.

    And as mentioned by Nithesh, more comfortable ergonomics of CBR150R (please do not read comfortable as in commuter class) doesn't make it a 150cc slouch. It laps quicker than an R15 on a track. And on the street also it's going to be pretty competitive, we can safely assume this much if not more. It's more of a matter of personal choice of what type of ergonomics you prefer. I repeat one final time, when I say a comfortable sportbike I mean comfortable rider ergonomics among sportbike class. Not comfortable as in commuter or a tourer.
    Satellite no matter how much logic u put into ur explanations some people
    find it very hard to get out of their preconceived notions.. and find it harder still to respect other people's opinion..

    So bro let them have their notions while people like us have fun riding bikes and talking about it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchdebanjan View Post
    So bro let them have their notions while people like us have fun riding bikes and talking about it..
    Well said!

    With the initial pages of the thread, people were cribbing about low-end torque and some defended it. Then, topic switched over to price, and it too got defended with the buyers showing heads. Now, its with whether comfortable sports bike or a sports bike should never be comfortable., and again some are defending it.

    What next... kill switch, pass light, or the panel backlight???

    For the buyers, IMHO, CBR150R is a nice make and of-course it has its own cons like switches, maybe fit&finish and so on... but performance wise, its a scorer and it gives you reasons for every penny you are going to spend on it.
    Ride it and you'll love it.
    The limiter kicks in @11,500 rpm just within a second after the first shift..And, that's where the fun begins !! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nithesh View Post
    If you have test rode The 150R and the 250R by now you would know that the 150R is lightweight, more flickable, handles better(obviously) and is more confident when leaning around the corners at high speeds. The tyres are a whole lot better too and the 250R's front suspension dive is absent.
    It is easy to manuever such a light bike in the city compared to the 250.
    Basically two different bikes again with two different categories.
    This is like the nth time im telling people that bikes have very little do with the engine capacity and spec sheets.

    Oh and then there is the aam junta factor of better fuel efficiency and longterm maintenance factor.

    So you see, there is a lot of difference between owning one bike that is 30k more than what you set out to buy. Ofcourse if u have the moolah, you can always spend that 30k and get the 250 and you will be able to live with it, but there are people who can spend 30k more for the 250, but may not be able to afford maintaining one as a long termer.

    And for ur second question, if by committed you mean the R15 then i would like to ask you, what difference did the seating position and a raised pillion seat do on the track when the 150R was being track tested by the same rider to be a second quicker than the R15? If anything i think the presence of extended pillion seat and the upright seating position is actually a boon(something the R15 v1 possessed and it sold very well and targetted all audience from college goers to working husbands didnt it? despite people nagging about the skinny rear tyre) So are you telling me the older v1 R15 wasnt track focussed too?
    Here's a quote for you:




    Exactly. Its been nearing a year since i owned the 250 now, and to this date i get to hear a lot from the extended family and friends as to how i couldve bought myself a car with that sort of money!
    People just do not understand the difference between a 150cc commuter and a 150cc sports bike at all. The only thing they care about is F.E and the initial cost.

    Also the 150R is expensive because if you go through history, you would notice that DOHC units have always been more expensive to manufacture compared to their SOHC counterpart. DOHC is complicated in terms of manufacturing compared to SOHCs.

    And yes the bike seems overpriced and will certainly put off certain buyers, but at the same time there are people who would buy it based on the feel of the bike rather than "word of mouth" from magazines. The v1 R15's skinny tyre was being targetted for almost a year and then things changed forever. The same could happen to the 150R. People who understand the difference between the two will pick either of the bikes based on their personal preferences.
    As i have mentioned in my previous post, cbr150 is very potent and capable machine. only slightly overpriced. my friend has got one and ridden both 150 and 250. yes 150 is nimble and light steering. I still feel 150 should keep distance of atleast 40-50 k from 250 it handles better but 250 is fine too unless you are really into sport riding.
    Also as you said a professional racer managed a quicker lap on cbr than r15. lets not get into all that as it varies from rider to rider with different riding styles. people win races on honda and yamaha but fail miserably on a ducati, to quote a very famous example.
    look at what you want from a bike. I myself see cbr suiting a lot of people for its good power and comfortable seating. just seems a tad expensive. I have maintained this from my very first post if you want to read it.
    Last edited by VaibhavPisal; 06-26-2012 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nithesh View Post

    FAIL!

    So you see how people in this country easily jump segments without knowing which bike falls where?
    This could be handy for some people then
    SportBike.natkd.com
    GREAT !!! Tell that to Honda.
    http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/s...ts/#!/cbr125r/



    See how they categorized the 125cc,600cc and the 1000cc in one of the first world nation market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nithesh View Post
    Middleweight: mid-sized, mid-leveler "(supersport)" - Displacements of 600–750 cc
    Great, going by this definition only, I guess Ninja 650R , FZ6 and GT650R are Superports too
    Also Hyosung ST7 won't hurt- its 700cc too I am sorry if I am wrong,but I am such an uneducated biker from a third world nation I simply followed ur defintion of Supersports !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by catchdebanjan View Post
    Well i dont know if u would agree but, its often the case that people frown up 1lakh + bikes ever since the Nano came in...

    Coz even today bikes to millions of Indians is nothing more than a commuting tool
    There are decent bikes and there are decent cars, for people who would substitute a 1 lakh plus bike for a 1 lakh plus car-do not know what is a bike and also do not know what is a car.They just need a box on four wheels.

    Also bikes are the best commuting tools- no matter how low a car costs, in the traffic, u can always use the footpath and the side-alleys with the bike.

    Now this ............what would fit a 1 lakh plus bill best, a bike or a car is out of topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MACH50 View Post
    GREAT !!! Tell that to Honda.
    So? You are telling me that the 125R and the 250R are "Supersports" eh? lol. The Website plonked all the CBR family into "Supersports" but that does not make either the 125 or the 250 a supersport. The website thing could be a marketting gimmick or maybe the person in charge is too lazy to put them in new categories.

    Great, going by this definition only, I guess Ninja 650R , FZ6 and GT650R are Superports too
    Also Hyosung ST7 won't hurt- its 700cc too I am sorry if I am wrong,but
    I am such an uneducated biker from a third world nation I simply followed ur defintion of Supersports !!!
    You are indeed what you said you were If only you noticed a link i posted below you would notice there was also a category called "SPORTS TOURERS". And ofcourse there are more categories for Naked street bikes as well as Cruisers and Dirt Bikes.
    Reply below bold
    And heres the link again.
    http://sportbike.natkd.com/

    This has been the general categorizing of Sports bikes. Leave aside Naked street/Cruisers/Dirt Bikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nithesh View Post
    Reply below bold
    And heres the link again.
    SportBike.natkd.com

    This has been the general categorizing of Sports bikes. Leave aside Naked street/Cruisers/Dirt Bikes
    Yes to you I maybe whatever you try to mean, but frankly, I do not need to go through all that categorization and your highly enlightening link.

    I know what are segments for what kind of bikes................until and unless I found Honda themselves are making one large segment of Supersports.So when I am talking about a product of Honda I will refer to it just as the company specifies it.

    Simply becoz, neither I have engineered the bike nor have I got it priced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MACH50 View Post
    GREAT !!! Tell that to Honda.
    CBR1000RR Fireblade | Super Sports | Motorcycles | Honda (UK)



    See how they categorized the 125cc,600cc and the 1000cc in one of the first world nation market.



    Great, going by this definition only, I guess Ninja 650R , FZ6 and GT650R are Superports too
    Also Hyosung ST7 won't hurt- its 700cc too I am sorry if I am wrong,but I am such an uneducated biker from a third world nation I simply followed ur defintion of Supersports !!!



    There are decent bikes and there are decent cars, for people who would substitute a 1 lakh plus bike for a 1 lakh plus car-do not know what is a bike and also do not know what is a car.They just need a box on four wheels.

    Also bikes are the best commuting tools- no matter how low a car costs, in the traffic, u can always use the footpath and the side-alleys with the bike.

    Now this ............what would fit a 1 lakh plus bill best, a bike or a car is out of topic.
    lol why is that front indicator bent in that cbr125:d


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