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    Quote Originally Posted by shv18 View Post
    Ensure that you are gentle with her for some kms.. unless you intend to use motoman technique.. I am not gung ho for it.. i would say follow the stock run in method..

    Cheers,
    Yeah, i think i should hold my horses for sometime. But seriously bro, you cant control the adrenaline rush. I went into overdrive again today
    albeit for 4 seconds and its already triple digits on the ODO.
    From now on there would be no ripping hard until 500km.

    Interesting thing i would like to share here is that i took out the spark plug today and saw that the center electrode is clean but the ground
    electrode and the thread end are covered in soot.

    Also there is popping sound while deceleration. I know both these are contradictory situations. Gotta look into them asap.

    P.S. I would urge the newbies and noobs to please not take this as a precedent. Everything i am doing is in a controlled manner and with my full
    understanding and knowledge. Please dont take this as a lesson and rip out your new bikes. Period.


    Quote Originally Posted by jonahmano View Post
    Hey NOVICE what's the update. You didn't even tell us the mileage with the stock re-jetting and also what's the ODO now. Can't see three people who have modded the bike, the people are Duoscribe, Sydney C and rylan. With such a heated discussion going on I hope these two guys turn up and share their status about the modded babes
    Hi,

    The updates are already being discussed here sans mileage. For the record i am not concerned about the mileage and thats why
    i have not updated about it.

    But yes that is also an indication of the engine tune and so I would do exclusive mileage run-ins for YOU and other mileage junta soon.
    No offence to anyone please. Will post it here as and when i do it. I promise. Is that ok now.

    The above mentioned people are probably enjoying their ride. They haven't been active for long here.

    cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-o-v-i-c-e View Post
    Yeah, i think i should hold my horses for sometime. But seriously bro, you cant control the adrenaline rush. I went into overdrive again today
    albeit for 4 seconds and its already triple digits on the ODO.
    From now on there would be no ripping hard until 500km.

    Interesting thing i would like to share here is that i took out the spark plug today and saw that the center electrode is clean but the ground
    electrode and the thread end are covered in soot.

    Also there is popping sound while deceleration. I know both these are contradictory situations. Gotta look into them asap.

    P.S. I would urge the newbies and noobs to please not take this as a precedent. Everything i am doing is in a controlled manner and with my full
    understanding and knowledge. Please dont take this as a lesson and rip out your new bikes. Period.
    That's coz of the limitations with the stock BS 26, Carburetor you are seeing variations in your spark plug reading according to my understanding. may be other senior riders can give in a better perspective. Hope you get the new 29mm CV Carb soon, the acceleration will be then linear and indeed brute.

    I understand the impatience with finishing off the run-in and then go crazy on your ride. However, as a safe approach i would suggest that you follow the 2k run-in method. Post 1k, have your fun but don't wring the throttle hard. Post 2k just go insane . With the tighter tolerances, the idea is that your engine is slowly introduced to the world of red lining and we remove every chance of anything going wrong during this whole process. That would be my way of looking at things.

    The slight popping sound from the FFE is normal... mine does more!!

    @All: When i do finish my build and complete my run-in, with the help of Abimanyu31 & Joelkraju i intend to do the speed runs with a GUI video output on it like the sample video below:



    The data telemetry from GTECH RR FANATIC would be displayed right below the video so that Noobs can understand the parameters easily. We can also display RPM meter and G Force meter a rider gets to witness when doing the run on the video. The MPH Reading can be converted to KMPH.

    Although this would be a trial and error thing so i am not sure how far would i be successful making one such video.. but do tell me guys, do you want drag time videos like this or just normal speed run video and then screen shots of graphs of HP Gains,torque, 0-100 timings?


    Do let me know..

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by shv18 View Post
    That's coz of the limitations with the stock BS 26, Carburetor you are seeing variations in your spark plug reading according to my understanding. may be other senior riders can give in a better perspective. Hope you get the new 29mm CV Carb soon, the acceleration will be then linear and indeed brute.
    Flat or semi flat slide all the way.The factory carb is just that. For factory / stock engines. Designed to a price, not performance in mind.

    Seriously now...... If you are commuting in a lot of bumper to bumper traffic, get the CV.
    If you are running on hwy or race track with lots of WOT then FS/SFS. If you don't min a rough "jump" when you snap the throttle open then a FS type is for you. Like my mechanic tells me the FS type are for WOT, not cruising, The slide needs to be moving or fully open.

    If you want a smooth linear pull then CV.
    You have to be so deliberate with your throttle openings with the FS type carbs, If you are close to a vehicle and you crack the throttle too much your bike will jump forwards.

    I still have a Mikuni TM28 flat slide at home. I opened it up today and just polished the contact points where the slide runs and closed it back. Its tiny compared to the stock carb and even more compared to my 33mm PWK. I may put it on the wifes Vespa LX150


    The slight popping sound from the FFE is normal... mine does more!!
    That may be from a rich closed throttle condition or you need to plug up one of your vac lines from the airbox to the pollution control valve. A tune will take care of that.

    @All: but do tell me guys, do you want drag time videos like this or just normal speed run video and then screen shots of graphs of HP Gains,torque, 0-100 timings?

    Cheers,
    Mix them up, Though its great (for me personally) to see "live" telemetry if you can't see the speedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shv18 View Post
    That's coz of the limitations with the stock BS26.............................................. .........................

    I understand the impatience........................................ ..

    The slight popping sound from the FFE is normal... mine does more!!

    @All: When i do finish my build and complete my run-in, ..................................

    Cheers,
    That what me too thinks of the stock carb even after up jetting.....i am in the process of getting that 29mmCV.....
    Its just taking some time coz of other commitments. I am trying to be patient and gun for the 2k run-in mark.

    And it is good if you do the speed runs the GUI way. It would be more safe i think, dont know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Mik View Post
    The slight popping sound from the FFE is normal... mine does more!!
    That may be from a rich closed throttle condition or you need to plug up one of your vac lines from the airbox to the pollution control valve. A tune will take care of that.
    Hey MIK...by that do you mean i need to get the air inlet from the inlet hose to the outlet in the carb????

    P.S. Lucky Luke seems oblivious from this thread....havent seen him since the first day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-o-v-i-c-e View Post
    P.S. Lucky Luke seems oblivious from this thread....haven't seen him since the first day.
    Helllooooooo! Here I am!
    I have been following that thread, but also the FZ16 etc. "tech" talk, where I have spent some time, the Joelled R15 (nonsense!) discussions....and I have to work....at times!

    Well, at least I shall respond to your query about the "air inlet from the inlet hose to the outlet in the carb"

    You will see that there is a little pipe connected to the intake maniflod, right after the carb. There is also a pipe that comes out of the air-box. What you will no see is a hole in the exhaust port right after the valve, which connects insde the cylinder head to a pipe from the rocker cover. All these pipes connect together to a valve situated under the gas tank, forward. The role of this valve is to allow extra air from the air-box into the exhaust port to help finishing the combustion of non burnt valves, this for pollution control. The action of this valve is controlled by the depression in the intake manifold, which it opens when there is a high depression, meaning when closing throttle.
    If that system does not work there will be (more) unburnt gases in the exhaust, that will do this popping sound.
    When I do something stupid, my consolation is to know that I'll do the worse one only once!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Luke View Post
    Helllooooooo! Here I am!
    I have been following that thread, but also the FZ16 etc. "tech" talk, where I have spent some time, the Joelled R15 (nonsense!) discussions....and I have to work....at times!

    Well, at least I shall respond to your query about the "air inlet from the inlet hose to the outlet in the carb"

    You will see that there is a little pipe connected to the intake maniflod, right after the carb. There is also a pipe that comes out of the air-box. What you will no see is a hole in the exhaust port right after the valve, which connects insde the cylinder head to a pipe from the rocker cover. All these pipes connect together to a valve situated under the gas tank, forward. The role of this valve is to allow extra air from the air-box into the exhaust port to help finishing the combustion of non burnt valves, this for pollution control. The action of this valve is controlled by the depression in the intake manifold, which it opens when there is a high depression, meaning when closing throttle.
    If that system does not work there will be (more) unburnt gases in the exhaust, that will do this popping sound.
    Hey...nice to see you....sorry didnt know about your endeavor in the tech talk thread up until now...
    So i was teasing you in light vein...

    Thanks for the wonderful explanation of my stupidly posed question....i will try to get that done.
    Lets see how it goes....also today did a small 300km ride and the flat spot seems to have gotten worse..
    So i am still thinking for a temporary solution until i get the bigger carb...

    cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by N-o-v-i-c-e View Post
    Hey...nice to see you....sorry didnt know about your endeavor in the tech talk thread up until now...
    So i was teasing you in light vein...

    Thanks for the wonderful explanation of my stupidly posed question....i will try to get that done.
    Lets see how it goes....also today did a small 300km ride and the flat spot seems to have gotten worse..
    So i am still thinking for a temporary solution until i get the bigger carb...

    cheers...
    Is there a drastic change with the weather and temperatures in and around your place?? Usually makes the flat spot problems more evident. BTW could you please dish out the Main jet and pilot jet specifications you changed to in order to power your souped up ride?

    Cheers,
    Last edited by shv18; 09-29-2012 at 02:43 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shv18 View Post
    Is there a drastic change with the weather and temperatures in and around your place?? Usually makes the flat spot problems more evident. BTW could you please dish out the Main jet and pilot jet specifications you changed to in order to power your souped up ride?

    Cheers,
    There has been no significant change in the weather here....i get your point.
    I shall check again tomorrow....not riding enough coz of workload.

    The main jet has been changed to size 115 from the stock 112.5 and the pilot remains the same.
    So i guess there-in lies the problem....maybe cant do nothing about the pilot...
    it is very very hard sourcing the pilot jet. its easy to search for GOD in you room than this.

    cheers....

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    @shiv: really want a 0 to 100 acceleration video. :-D
    Stock fz takes 16-17 secs to reach 100 but saw a joelled fz reaching there under 9 sec, that's some serious power upgrade.

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    @ Novice what's the ODO man. Get the updates regularly. Hope everything is ok with you

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