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    Hey Guys!! It has been a very long time since I have been away from xbhp. Last time I penned down something regarding my ownership experience, it was for my 2015 Kawasaki Ninja 650. While I have been away a lot has happened. I have replaced my Ninja 650 with a Blue Yamaha R3. While most of you may be astonished at this so called downgrade, I had my own reasons for moving on to Yamaha R3. My brief ownership of Kawasaki Ninja 650 and Kawasaki Ninja 300 for 4 years and 40,000 kilometers between them opened up a different outlook, and made me think about other aspects of owning a big bike or a CKD. While Kawasaki Ninja 300 is not a big bike, the cost or pains of ownership does not make you feel any lesser. So, this ownership report is a sort of summary of the 3 most important bikes that I have owned in the last 4 years of my life.



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    To begin with, it was in 2013 that I decided to move up a segment from my Yamaha R15v2 and KTM Duke 200. Having loved the reliability, refinement, handling, robust engineering of the Yamaha, I decided to splurge on a Kawasaki Ninja 300, as we usually relate those attributes to Japanese manufacturers. My not so pleasant ownership experience of KTM Duke 200 and numerous Bajaj bikes that I had before that, was the prime reason to move my focus to Kawasaki.


    The strange thing is I always wanted to move up from my R15v2 to a bigger bike from Yamaha, something in 300 to 400 cc range, however, at that time R3 was not yet launched globally.


    Anyways moving ahead, my Ninja 300 clicked all the boxes, namely reliability, refinement, handling, robust engineering. I covered around 20,000 kilometers on it within 15 months of my ownership. I also had a small crash in between. The bike held itself very well, and I was impressed with the way Japanese go about making their machines. However, having said that there was something that just didn't click with me. It was like that situation where you date a girl, but always feel the spark is missing. Nothing wrong with the girl, its just that the chemistry is not there. I am sorry for wandering away from the topic, the point is I wasn't happy from within. And then I started nitpicking.


    To begin with, I am not a very sedate rider, I am not sedate by any yardstick. In-fact, it is more of rash riding. Also, I just cant stop myself from enjoying a corner, no matter how strict the rules of a group ride are. And the one thing that stopped me from using the potential of the 300 to my limits was the cost of repairs. While the bike is more than happy to do whatever I want, the cost of repairs was always playing in the back of my mind. While I had a 0 dep poicy, I am someone who would prefer to fork out the cost of repairs, and take the bike back within a week or two. But with the 300, the cost of spares is so exorbitant that I could not dare to do that. Yes, some would say you could use your card to foot the bill and claim it later, but the cost of spares is too much for my card limit. Also, the spares take time to arrive at the service center, as these spares (accidental replacements) are mostly never in stock. Also, my small crash I had, I had racked in a bill of 95,000. And I had damaged my headlamp, RHS fairing, indicators, and the internal bracket that holds the headlamp. Though the Insurance company paid for it, the cost was huge for a 300 cc bike, and moreover I had to wait for more than a month to get the bike back. I am not sure if most are aware, the cost of all the spares of the Ninja 300 put together is lot more than the price at which Kawasaki sells the bike for.


    While there was joy of owning a Ninja 300, the pains made think if this is what I wanted. I love riding, and it is my passion, and no matter how much I spend on my bike, if I don't love it, or I am not able to enjoy it there is no way anyone can convince me to live with the bike.

    While I was going through all that, Yamaha launched the R3 in India. Some of the people I know got the R3, and I was able to ride the R3 quite a lot. I dont know what it is with the Yamaha's but they always appeal straight to the heart. Hence the tussle began between my head and the heart. Head said to stick with the 300 as I had already paid lot of money, plus the depreciation is hugs on these bikes. Some how I was able to convince myself for a short period, and one fine day I took the dreaded decision. I followed the heart, and made up my mind to let my Ninja 300 go. I let my agent know that I wanted to sell my bike, and he offered me a price that I was OK with. Yes, when it comes to bikes and accessories I am a very impulsive buyer. Having taken the decision, I set out for Naman Yamaha in Panvel to make the payment for the R3.


    However, luck had something else in store. I think it was around Diwali, and the KTM-Kawasaki showroom Manager near my area is a good friend of mine. He gave me a call to wish me Happy Diwali, and having learnt of my decision to sell the 300, he asked me to visit his showroom to have a look at the Ninja 650. Ninja 650 was never on my radar until then, and since I didn't want to tell him No directly, I made a visit to the showroom just to meet him, as it was on my way to Naman Yamaha. On entering the showroom, I saw a fresh petti-pack Ninja 650 on display. The manager wasted no time, and offered me a ride on one of his test bikes. He said its ok if you dont like it and dont buy it. It was my first time on any bike more than 390 cc and needless to say I was blown away by the oodles of low down power and torque, plus the healthy mid-range. I could ride the bike fast, and no sooner i felt quite comfortable on it. The Manager could read my mind. And he was all out to make a sale. Eventually I decided to take the plunge and went back home with another Ninja, my new Ninja 650.




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    I was quite happy for the initial few months. The power and torque on demand kept me amused for the initial few months. I did a lot of Mumbai-Goa trips and breakfast rides on my 650. And before I realised I had 10,000 kilometers on my odo within first 6 months. Thanks to Ninja 650 my skills were also improving. 200+ kilos, coupled with non-ABS zero electronics and too much of power helped me in understanding the dynamics of the bike. It also helped me in improving my braking. I was able to control the bike a lot better than I had anticipated, and eventually I realised that going further I will have to look at attending more of track days. Riding fast on our streets was a perfect recipe for disaster. I was getting quicker, however, I was not able to push the bike more, as the same reasons that played in my mind while riding my 300, began to worry me again. Also, once the novelty of owning a big bike died down, I started to see the same reasons that made me move away from my Ninja 300. On the Ninja 650 not only the spares were expensive, but also the routine consumables like the tyres, chain sprockets, disc pads, insurance renewals wee burning a big hole. I love to ride my bike extensively, and there was no way I was going to cut down on my riding to save on the consumables like tyres, pads, chain sprockets etc. Also, I had plans of doing lot of track days in the near future. Eventually after a year I sold my Ninja 650 to my best friend from college. My bike had clocked close to 20,000 kilometers when I let her go. I am happy atleast the bike is in the family.


    Having wasted a lot of money on buying and selling of Ninja twins, I did not have the courage to spend on a new bike again. Fortunately a friend of mine, whom I knew for a while was planning to sell his blue Yamaha R3. I had ridden his bike earlier, and I was also aware of the way he maintained the bike. I loved the bike whenever I rode her. I took her out for a spin again on the day I sold my Ninja 650, and immediately fell in love with his R3. I made him an offer, he accepted it, and I brought the bike home.


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    With another bike in less than 3 years I decided to take it easy this time, and a strict ban on any more impulsive purchases, on anything closely related to bikes. That means no more spending on accessories as I had done in the past. The bike had 18,000 kilometers on the odo and was from the very first lot. I brought the bike in January 2017, and the bike has clocked 32,000 kilometers as of today. In the last 9 months I have done numerous long trips - Mumbai to Khajuraho, 1200 KMs one way, Mumbai to Rann of Kutch, 1200 kms one way, few Mumbai Kolhapur and Mumbai Goa trips. Add to that breakfast rides on every alternate weekend, and I covered quite a lot kilometers. The 1200 KM trips were done in a single day.

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    In between I also attended track day on my R3 at Kolhapur. The track session was conducted by Vortex racing at Mohites track in Kolhapur.

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    The most important reason for me to get a R3 was that it had all the qualities I loved in my Ninja 300 i.e. reliability, refinement, handling, robust engineering, and it does not even burn a hole in my pocket while trying to maintain it. The cost of spares is quite cheap, and I no longer have that worry in my head of fixing it in case I had a fall. I think Yamaha has done a very good job, as in they have provided a very robust package (its expensive to buy initially) and they have also worked hard to keep the cost of spares very reasonable. I did a bit of research on cost of spares and I was pleasantly surprised to see them much lower than the Kawasaki. I have also attached cost of spares below.




    Yamalube Engine Oil (1 litre) ₹450
    Air Filter ₹545
    Spark Plug ₹85
    Fork Oil (487 ml required in each fork) ₹185 per 500 ml
    Clutch Lever ₹320
    Brake Lever ₹260
    Front Alloy Rim ₹5,610
    Rear Alloy rim ₹6,580
    Front Indicator ₹650
    Rear Indicator ₹690
    Rider Foot Rest ₹180
    Pillion Foot Rest ₹190
    Rear View Mirror ₹1,280
    Bar End Grip ₹120
    Handle Bar (One Side) ₹1,330
    Brake Pedal ₹700
    Exhaust ₹26,310
    Tail Light Assembly ₹4,570
    Front Brake Pads ₹3260
    Rear Brake Pads ₹850
    Oil Filter ₹360
    Chain Sprocket kit ₹5850
    Oil chamber ₹4000
    Fairing (one side) ₹5950
    Rear panel ₹575
    Headlight assembly ₹8000(approx)
    Indicator Stay ₹150
    Front Fairing (Body cowling) ₹1365
    Headlight stay ₹900
    RHS rear footrest 2 ₹880
    Radiator ₹3800
    Gear lever Assembly ₹1800
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
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    In one post you have made up for your absence on the forum

    So you are one of the guys from the LOST in Kutch ride. Nice

    Hehehe..thats me brother. Anyways, I am ex-LOST, as it is during these tours I realised that I am more of a track person. I try to ride as fast as possible and on our roads thats recipe for disaster. Hence, I have cut short on my tours, do a lot of breakfast rides, and some track days. Keeps my inner monster happy.

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    nice story :P

    just wanted to ask you, did you (or your friend who owned this R3 earlier) change the stock tyres ? many people in this forum and elsewhere found the stock MRF terribly disappointing and decided to change it immediately..given your track days riding experience and the kind of cornering you seem to be doing on this R3 (based on that serious cornering pic where you're taking the left handed corner on the way to somewhere), i am more curious about your bike/tyre in this regard...also, many people have also complained about the brakes being underwhelming (partly due to the stock tyres presumably), more so compared to the N300, what's your experience regarding this ?

    i am asking cuz i am a future potential owner of one of the 300 segment bikes and i follow the 300 and R3 threads and comparisons closely in this forum.

    also, didn't know kolhapur has a track as well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
    nice story :P

    just wanted to ask you, did you (or your friend who owned this R3 earlier) change the stock tyres ? many people in this forum and elsewhere found the stock MRF terribly disappointing and decided to change it immediately..given your track days riding experience and the kind of cornering you seem to be doing on this R3 (based on that serious cornering pic where you're taking the left handed corner on the way to somewhere), i am more curious about your bike/tyre in this regard...also, many people have also complained about the brakes being underwhelming (partly due to the stock tyres presumably), more so compared to the N300, what's your experience regarding this ?

    i am asking cuz i am a future potential owner of one of the 300 segment bikes and i follow the 300 and R3 threads and comparisons closely in this forum.

    also, didn't know kolhapur has a track as well..
    Hi Aditya, I got the bike with stock MRF from my friend. I however replaced them with Michelins. R3 deserves better tyres, and the result is there to be seen. I have used Ninja 300 and R3 quite extensively, and i personally feel the front brakes on R3 are whole lot better than the 300. 300s front brake felt wooden, while the ones on r3 have progressive bite. However on the R3 it is in the final stage of braking where the bite is little too much. i replaced the pads with EBC sintered pads and braking is whole lot predictable and better. On the Ninja 300 better brake pads improve braking considerably. Stock for stock it is R3 that I felt is better. When it comes to feedback from the front it is Ninja 300 that has a slight upper hand. Better tyres on the R3 improves the feedback from the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinmayakar View Post
    Hi Aditya, I got the bike with stock MRF from my friend. I however replaced them with Michelins. R3 deserves better tyres, and the result is there to be seen. I have used Ninja 300 and R3 quite extensively, and i personally feel the front brakes on R3 are whole lot better than the 300. 300s front brake felt wooden, while the ones on r3 have progressive bite. However on the R3 it is in the final stage of braking where the bite is little too much. i replaced the pads with EBC sintered pads and braking is whole lot predictable and better. On the Ninja 300 better brake pads improve braking considerably. Stock for stock it is R3 that I felt is better. When it comes to feedback from the front it is Ninja 300 that has a slight upper hand. Better tyres on the R3 improves the feedback from the front.
    Hey brother did you upsize the tire too... As stock are 140 rear section... Did you go to 150...
    Also did you use Michelin pilot street or pilot sport... ??
    Also what about daily driveability... Does the engine gets hot like KTM...??
    One niche question if I may... What is City mileage..??

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    Quote Originally Posted by adityagaur51 View Post
    Hey brother did you upsize the tire too... As stock are 140 rear section... Did you go to 150...
    Also did you use Michelin pilot street or pilot sport... ??
    Also what about daily driveability... Does the engine gets hot like KTM...??
    One niche question if I may... What is City mileage..??

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    Hi Buddy, those are Michelin Pilot Street 140 Section tyres. The stock tyres are 140 section, hence i continued with it.

    The bike is a peach in day to day commute as well as on highways. The difference between 300 and R3 is that in the R3 you have usable power at the lower rpms. You can feel the power and torque spread is very linear. Also, it is easy to be in 4th gear and crawl at 30 km/hr, there is no lugging or knocking from the engine.

    In the last 13000 KMs I haven't noticed any noticeable heating as the temperature mostly stays at 3 bars, and the heat dissipation is also done perfectly. It can give mileage from 25 to 30 kmpl in city depending on your riding style.

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    So nice to read your story bud. This proves we are very emotional with these machines and attached to it. Congrats on the awesome machine, The R3.

    BTW, now do you feel that connect with the bike which was missing with N300 and N650? Any day miss that N650 power punch at any point of time? I think the maintenance cost of R3 is also not so very affordable compare to N300. Its just little less, isn't it? The spares parts availability issue is there with Yamaha as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsmevini123 View Post
    So nice to read your story bud. This proves we are very emotional with these machines and attached to it. Congrats on the awesome machine, The R3.

    BTW, now do you feel that connect with the bike which was missing with N300 and N650? Any day miss that N650 power punch at any point of time? I think the maintenance cost of R3 is also not so very affordable compare to N300. Its just little less, isn't it? The spares parts availability issue is there with Yamaha as well.

    Hi! I waited so long to pen down my thoughts as I did not want to be under any illusion this time around. I let the novelty of a new bike die down before I went about reviewing it. Yes, i finally feel the connect. I think it is the way Yamaha makes their bikes. I had the same connect with my R15v2 and FZ16 before that. I dont miss the punch of the 650, simply because with more power you ride more responsibly, hence apart from super straight highways there is hardly any where i miss the punch. She handles better than the 650, and I am able to carry speeds good enough for our roads. And my main aim of doing track days is best fulfilled by the R3. Reliable package and cheap to fix incase of a spill.

    Cost of maintenance and spare was the main reason for me to move away from Kawasaki's. Also, I did not want to move to KTMs as I have had too much of bad experience with KTM and Bajaj bikes earlier. If the R3 was not launched I would have still been on one of the Ninja's. It was a revelation that Yamaha cost of maintenance is very less compared to the 300. The cost of spares as I mentioned earlier is in the ball park of KTMs. Its like best of both the worlds, reliability, refinement and robust engineering of the Japanese coupled with very reasonable maintenance and spare part cost like the KTMs. Availability of spares is not an issue. Normal service related spares are easily available, and unlike the 300, spares like fairing etc are mostly available. Incase they don't have they make it available in 8 days.

    It is this confidence that has allowed me to use the bike the way it should be. Ever since I brought the bike, I have only spent on oil, oil filter and air filter as cost of maintenance. The chain sprocket is already over 20000 km, and there is not even a cm of slack since the time I got the bike.
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    Nice one . For us R3 owners your experiences reinforce our decision to go for the R3 over the Ninja 300 ,though the initial lots had a lot of recall issues Yamaha resolved them fairly satisfactorily.
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