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    Motorcycle or A Scooter, Which one is the heart and which one is the mind?. Or Simply put which vehicle rekindles your soul? The answer to these i am very sure most or almost all would say the motorcycle eyes closed. But what weighs down to a point is, though scooter is not a favorite option for many, it still outsells the motorbikes. Off-late I have also been pushed towards scooters as an option to commute. So what exactly has pushed me towards this is what led me here.

    I being a hardcore fan of bikes and also riding them for quite some time made me to ponder in to the thought of what made me consider scooter as a choice. To put it simple even on a middle class jargon the motorbikes are quite comfortable and considerably safer option compared to the scooters, people may argue how do you say motorbikes are a safer option. So let me put forth my considerations which led me to the above statement. So First on the cost front a similar 125cc or a 150cc motorcycle is cheaper by at least 5K compared to the scooter in the same engine category.(please correct me if am wrong). Second mileage and maintenance wise as well the bikes are considered the cheaper option. So coming to the comfort and safety wise, we have the liberty to throw our legs over the bike making me secure, have a larger grip on the bike and most importantly makes me feel more in control, where as on the other hand riding a scooter only makes me feel i have lesser grip and less in control. I don't know how many would even feel the same way but this is completely my understanding when compared to scooters. Scooter being not very dynamic it doesn't give you a comfortable feeling with only your foot , butt and palms the only contact points and hand controls are the only control area. Personally these characteristics on a scooter doesn't give me the confidence while riding. Nonetheless any speed above the 60kmph on a scooter makes me feel like i am flying. Coming to the suspension and brakes point of view the bikes have a softer and a plush setup (mainly the commuter class bikes) whereas the scooters are stiff comparably. Though the seating in both are rather upright, the scooters tend to induce more strain on your back due to the stiffer setup. Brakes again are of limited bite due to smaller wheels on the scooters.

    Conclusively to me Bikes are way better in offering a better ride to the rider, but obviously the bikes do have their own flaws over the scooters.Likely due to their weight it is less agile on the city streets, lack of gears and clutch the input given to the scooters are less and thus very easy to slip away and make quick maneuvers. Moreover for no good reason scooter seem to be the favorites for the older gen and young women. Me being more sidelined into bikes, the scooters aren't my cup of tea at all.
    I am being scolded by my parents for a biking decision and the most common point from them is bikes aren't safer for pregnant ladies and whenever my father tries to board as the pillion on my bike, he simply cusses me for buying a bike over a scooter ( I own a RTR 200). My Mother doesn't board the bike at all and her favorite would be ladies cant board your bike and simply you should have made an informed decision of buying the bike with your wife in picture. My wife doesn't complain on the bike but she agrees to the common point that it isn't safer for pregnant ladies. My only losing war comment to this is no 2-wheeler is safe for pregnant ladies period. Amidst all this family rant the scooter picture just peeped in to my head and Hence this rant.

    So yes folks please chip in your favorite, Motorbike or a scooter. Also Feel free to correct me on the more biased bike favoring rant of me.

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    Topic Approved.

    The ever going war.

    An old discussion of this type exists here, although not as much detailed: https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general...s-scooter.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samarth 619 View Post
    Topic Approved.

    The ever going war.

    An old discussion of this type exists here, although not as much detailed: https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/general...s-scooter.html
    Thanks for the approval Samarth, I was afraid if I had pulled a controversial topic to discuss. By the way I didn’t know about the discussion existed already. If need be please merge this one with the old thread.
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    Scooters outsell motorcycles because more women buy them. Women tend not to be as interested in motorcycles, since it's harder to ride a motorcycle wearing typical Indian Female clothing, and there's the issue of needing to shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    Scooters outsell motorcycles because more women buy them. Women tend not to be as interested in motorcycles, since it's harder to ride a motorcycle wearing typical Indian Female clothing, and there's the issue of needing to shift.
    Actually There are a lot of young women turning their focus towards biking with modern clothing becoming more common. But still they prefer the scooters as the hot choice. Honestly the change over is more common now and yet Female bike riders are seen as eccentric people, where as the same when on a scooter are acceptable. Pretty confusing mind set here.

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    Adding my 2 cents to the discussion. The worsening traffic conditions in India is also a major reason for people liking scooters more than bikes. You see a bike is enjoyed on a good, traffic free road, taking it to high rpm and then shifting up is one of the most adrenalin pumping feelings. Now most of us spend a majority of our travel time stuck in a traffic jam. When I lived in Bangalore and travelled from whitefield to electronic city (a distance of 30 kms) on my R15v2, there were many occasions when I did the whole commute on 1st gear, I repeat.. 30 kms on first gear, with the radiator fan running the whole time. By the end of the commute my hands would hurt holing the clutch for 2.5 hours, my back, wrists, shoulders and neck would be killing me (R15V2). So if I was 10-15 years older and in the same condition, I would have sold the bike without second thoughts and got myself a scooter. It is no doubt easy to ride around in our cities and we don't ever miss the bike because we don't ever speed and when we don't speed we don't need better brakes. So in the end we all are going to face this situation at one time in our lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ankey View Post
    Adding my 2 cents to the discussion. The worsening traffic conditions in India is also a major reason for people liking scooters more than bikes. You see a bike is enjoyed on a good, traffic free road, taking it to high rpm and then shifting up is one of the most adrenalin pumping feelings. Now most of us spend a majority of our travel time stuck in a traffic jam. When I lived in Bangalore and travelled from whitefield to electronic city (a distance of 30 kms) on my R15v2, there were many occasions when I did the whole commute on 1st gear, I repeat.. 30 kms on first gear, with the radiator fan running the whole time. By the end of the commute my hands would hurt holing the clutch for 2.5 hours, my back, wrists, shoulders and neck would be killing me (R15V2). So if I was 10-15 years older and in the same condition, I would have sold the bike without second thoughts and got myself a scooter. It is no doubt easy to ride around in our cities and we don't ever miss the bike because we don't ever speed and when we don't speed we don't need better brakes. So in the end we all are going to face this situation at one time in our lives.
    I agree Ankey the Bangalore Traffic part is just too much to handle for most of the bikes. On the contrary i found the scooters though relieve you from the hand and wrist pains it induces a lot of back pain, I found at least 2 to 3 of my colleagues already with slip discs and doctors advising using a bike rather than a scooter. Initially even i was puzzled when a contrary advice was given, but after riding scooters for few days when my bike was away i found out the doctors weren't wrong in advising.

    Besides please let us know about your favorite among bikes and scooters. which one for the soul and which one for practical purposes.
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    I agree Ankey the Bangalore Traffic part is just too much to handle for most of the bikes. On the contrary i found the scooters though relieve you from the hand and wrist pains it induces a lot of back pain, I found at least 2 to 3 of my colleagues already with slip discs and doctors advising using a bike rather than a scooter. Initially even i was puzzled when a contrary advice was given, but after riding scooters for few days when my bike was away i found out the doctors weren't wrong in advising.

    Besides please let us know about your favorite among bikes and scooters. which one for the soul and which one for practical purposes.
    Doctors advising people to switch from scooters to bikes to relieve back pain; that is new info for me too. I haven't done any long rides on a scooter (just bread and butter runs in my home town). So when I used to work in my hometown, I had (still have) a R15V2, my sister had a Hero Honda Pleasure which was replaced with Yamaha Alpha (impressed with the R15) and my father rides a 27 year old Bajaj chetak. Now I live in Chandigarh and sometimes ride home to Dehradun on which is around 350-400 kms round trip.

    So in my experience any bike between 150cc and 250cc is good enough for the soul. It does triple digit speeds easily on highway and keeps the budget in check when commuting to office on weekdays. Hence I choose the March 2014 R15v2. As you know, something like the V2 is hopelessly useless at anything practical, so it's good if you have other practical vehicles (scooter, car) in the home. The pillion seat on the V2 is bloody useless and you cannot even carry a packet of milk from the shop. I was lucky to have other 2 wheelers in my home, so if I had to drop or pick my mum up from school, I'd use the scoot, my father refused flat out to climb on the V2's back seat, and although my sister would agree, that was only if all the other options were not available. Now I live alone and the R15 is purely for the soul and nothing else.

    For all practical purposes any 110cc scooter is good. They are all basically the same so choose the one that suit the rider best. In my humble opinion anything more than 100-110cc is an overkill because they are used just for city commuting which is never so long that a small engine cannot do. Even though the 125cc segment among the scooters is very popular, I never felt any lack of power in the 100 cc Hero Pleasure or the 110cc Yamaha alpha. The fuel tank is also tiny in these and the mileage figures are important to us middle class people. So all that is left to choose is which one looks good to the buyer's eye and whose service centers would provide the best after sales service.
    Last edited by Ankey; 03-15-2018 at 01:06 PM.
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