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Thread: Must know information about TVS Apache RTR 180 MENACE

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    Default Must know information about TVS Apache RTR 180 MENACE

    Hi All,

    As we have always been discussing and speculating for the launch of RTR 180
    Menace in different threads and blogs on XBHP.com and other sites as well.
    I wanted to get these doubts cleared after hearing words from the horses
    mouth for all of us at Xbhp.com, hence I have sent a mail to the Sr.
    Segment Manager of Performance Motorcycles Arun Siddharth in TVS and got
    the following answers to my queries:

    Dear Manan;

    Hi. Thanks for writing in. Nice to hear from you in a while. I will
    try and answer as much as possible with info that can be shared in
    public domain at this point of time. Hope it helps you guys. Cheers
    !!!

    1. Do we really have something like RTR 180 Menace in the
    making?

    1. Yes I am confirming that we are working on Apache RTR 180;
    which is the Episode III in RTR series after RTR 160 and RTR Fi 160.

    2. Is it true that RTR 180 Menace has been code named as MENACE
    ?
    2. As you know different projects are codenamed in different
    alpha numeric and numeric nomenclature; the PPG (Performance Products
    Group) do nickname our
    development projects. And for this one we did nickname it
    Menace. These are not in public domain but we are actually surprised
    that so many people have got to
    know of this. But Yes its True!!!

    3. When are we planning to launch the same?
    3. Very soon. We are in final testing stages of the product for
    set up configuration for the final Stock machine.

    4. What will be the specs for RTR menace if it is at all a
    truth?
    4. As I have confirmed above Apache RTR 180 / Menace is a total
    truth and specs will be known in due course of time. It would a
    little premature to comment at this
    time and steal the thunder away

    5. Why is TVS displaying such Hush-Hush on RTR 180 Menace as
    reported in many Blogs i.e XBHP.COM, *********, Autocar India,
    Overdrive?

    5. Its not only TVS but all companies that maintain a certain
    level of confidentiality regarding impending launches. This
    particular version is the III Episode of the RTR
    series and will have to live upto huge expectations from
    Apache Tribe (Apache & RTR owners) in terms of Performance hence the
    need to be quiet and allow the
    judgement and verdict to be given by the Tribe. We are very
    confident of the package and thats that.

    6. There has been lot of speculations about its performance and
    is considered as pocket rocket, is it true?
    6. Thats for you all to tell us. We are very confident of the
    Machines behaviour at this point of time. I dont know about Rocket
    but Pocket it ll not be as it is as big as
    competition

    7. What is the future vision of TVS Racing for Apache RTR
    Series, as TVS has always been considered as conservative commuter
    bike company?
    7. Well TVS was the first company to offer Kits on Supra range
    of bikes and then Shogun and Fiero were TVS vehicles. Similarly at
    present we want to be a Full Pyramid
    company with representation in all segments of consequence.
    And Apache RTR series has a huge role to play in this regard. This
    segment is not Just for Bread alone.

    Our vision is based on basics of Motorcycle Behaviour.

    Vision : Performance First >>

    Product Definition Strategy :

    - Category defining Performance
    - Track Honed Razor sharp Handling
    - Racing Diagnostics

    The idea is to talk to a niche of Premium segment buyers
    who value Performance more than anything else.

    8. What is the target market for RTR, why is it so single
    mindedly bent on performance and when can we expect a style upgrade?
    8. As I said above the Premium segment in India is divided into
    1. Style Seekers 2. Performance Seekers
    Our studies show that Performance seekers are true die hard
    bikers. They are loyal to their brand and are opinion leaders in
    their groups. Style seekers though a large
    share of the premium segment lag in understanding true
    motorcycle sentiment and flip continuosly between brands

    Hence our focus on the Performance Seekers. We call them
    Enthusiasts before they buy our bike and Apache Tribe after they buy
    the Apache RTR.

    9. Is it true that you have tested RTR 180 Menace specifically
    on the race tracks in India and Abroad?
    Yes, in Chennai; Coimbatore in India and at Philip Island
    Australia.

    10. Is it true that TVS has benchmarked R15 initially for RTR 180
    Menace, however later-on the same has been discarded as RTR 180
    Menace was found more aggressive
    in performance by the engineers in Indian conditions (as
    reported in one of the blogs in Xbhp.com)?
    10. No comments.

    11. How are we planning to spread the awareness of performance
    biking through RTR 180 Menace in the Indian biking population?
    11. Starting March 7th 2009 in Bangalore we are starting ARE:
    Apache Racing Experience with TVS Racing. This is a tailor made
    programme by TVS Racing exclusively
    for Apache owners. Where one can learn to Corner, Judge
    lengths, Braking Techniques, Overtaking and some stunts under
    controlled environment. The event has
    space for only 80 people as we need to give one on one
    attention and Instructors will be our racing riders from TVS Racing
    who also work on RTR set up
    development.

    The program will be a First Come First Serve basis one and at
    a nominal charge of 500 bucks which includes lap timing on Race Kit
    fitted RTRs. one also gets a VBox
    output of the lap they did which will be consequently mailed
    online to them instantly and our TVS Racing Professional on site will
    explain the graph to each independently.

    12. How do you differentiate TVS internally as TVS Commuter biking
    and TVS Performance segment in terms of product development?
    12. Its an Organizational Set up question. I am not authorized on
    this. But only thing is that PPG and TVS Racing; does not interact
    too much with others.

    13. Do you really test your bikes yourselves on the race tracks
    before giving it to the customer, unlike other manufacturers who use
    customers as Gineau pigs?
    13. Yes the bikes go through several track testing sessions for
    vehicle dynamics behaviour; set ups and tire testing sessions. They
    are tested by TVS Racing guys as well
    as Development engineers. The average age of PPG is 29 years
    only hence everyone is Ready to Rip. :-))

    14. Why we are not simply launching the RTR performance kit and get
    the market a feel of performance biking from TVS?
    14. We will be doing an Exclusive preview of the RTR Race Pro
    Performance Kitted machines at the 1st ARE on March 7th. All
    participants will be allowed for a CLOCK THE
    FASTEST LAP SPRINT on these bikes and VBox data will be
    given. This will be All India Exclusive Preview for 80 Apache Tribe
    members who will be a part of the
    program

    15. What will be the Ex-Showroom price of RTR 180 Menace if it is
    launched?
    15. It will be extremely competitive for the slew of features it
    will offer.


    Thanks and hope this answers a lot of questions on your minds.

    Regards

    Arun Siddharth
    Sr. Product Manager
    Performance Products

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    Topic Approved.

    Tremendous piece of news there Manan! Thanks for sharing. You are our "insider" at TVS it seems brother. Thanks again!
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    10. Is it true that TVS has benchmarked R15 initially for RTR 180
    Menace, however later-on the same has been discarded as RTR 180
    Menace was found more aggressive
    in performance by the engineers in Indian conditions (as
    reported in one of the blogs in Xbhp.com)?
    10. No comments.
    ^^The best part!

    Fantastic piece of news there Manan! Good work I say!

    I think this bike should be a breath of fresh air for loads people who find the R15 too out reach in terms of cost but still want a bike thats a more complete package in terms of performance, handling & braking!
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    TVS sure know how to answer questions and look after their customers!!! Great going TVS....
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    Don't worry guys there are lot more surprises to come ahead from TVS, just keep your heart beating faster for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manan_in_2000 View Post
    11. How are we planning to spread the awareness of performance
    biking through RTR 180 Menace in the Indian biking population?

    11. Starting March 7th 2009 in Bangalore we are starting ARE:
    Apache Racing Experience with TVS Racing. This is a tailor made
    programme by TVS Racing exclusively
    for Apache owners. Where one can learn to Corner, Judge
    lengths, Braking Techniques, Overtaking and some stunts under
    controlled environment. The event has
    space for only 80 people as we need to give one on one
    attention and Instructors will be our racing riders from TVS Racing
    who also work on RTR set up
    development.

    The program will be a First Come First Serve basis one and at
    a nominal charge of 500 bucks which includes lap timing on Race Kit
    fitted RTRs. one also gets a VBox
    output of the lap they did which will be consequently mailed
    online to them instantly and our TVS Racing Professional on site will
    explain the graph to each independently.
    This is the best piece of news.A special thanks to all the people who are the mastermind for this event.

    @Manan-Superb!Thanks for sharing.

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    The 11th point seemed nice

    Thanks manan!
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    Manan, being the close contact to TVS that you already are, I am pretty damn sure you must have atleast seen the TVS Menace 180 in pictures. Can you please share a little details about the looks of the bike?

    P.S:You have shaken the xTracker and with it, the hearts of people here! Great job!
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    Great news, waiting for March 7th.. Thanks for sharing
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    [quote=Aryan;167063]Manan, being the close contact to TVS that you already are, I am pretty damn sure you must have atleast seen the TVS Menace 180 in pictures. Can you please share a little details about the looks of the bike?

    Its look like this:-SimpleViewer

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