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    I normally use Speed. Twice I have used normal petrol because premium were not available. And I always put full or almost full tank. During these period, I have noticed my bike was running a little harsher than normal. I reasoned that this may be due to engine oil. After examining everything properly, without getting into details, I found out out that it was due to the fuel. I don't know about mileage as I rarely take note of it. There seems to be no noticeable difference in performance. However I feel a noticeable difference in engine smoothness, hence I use only BP speed. Most recently I filled Xtra Premium as the pump is closer. Seems to be as good as speed so maybe I may fill it again next refill.

    Heard many comments that premium does not give any benefits and held that view even though I use premium for peace of mind. Well, after using both, I found there is noticeable difference in engine smoothness for my Zma and not only a matter of peace of mind.

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    Industrial Products

    Motive Power Fuel:-

    Motor Spirit ( Petrol) Hi-Speed DIESEL


    Motor Spirit (Petrol)

    Motor spirit is mainly Used in Spark ignition engines. For Industrial units Mainly supplied through Consumer Pump /Customer installed Facilities for 2/3/4 wheelers.




    Requirements for Motor Gasoline

    Sr.No Characteristics Requirements
    Test Method
    Unleaded Regular Unleaded Premium [P:]of IS:1448 Annex
    1 Colour, Visual Orange Red -- --
    2 Density, 15OC, kg/ m3
    710 – 770

    710 – 770 [P:16] --
    3 Distillation :
    a) Recovery upto 70OC (E 70)
    percent by volume
    b) Recovery upto 100OC (E 100)
    percent by volume
    c) Recovery upto 180OC (E 180)
    percent by volume, Min
    d) Final boiling point (FBP), Max
    e) Residue, percent by volume, Max


    10 – 45

    40 – 70

    90

    215OC
    2
    10 – 45

    40 – 70

    90

    215OC
    2 [P:18] --
    4 Research octane number (RON), Min 88 93 [P:27] --
    5
    Anti-knock index (AKI), Min

    84 88 [P:26] & [P:28] --
    6 Existent gum, g/ m3, Max 40 40 [P:29](Air jet solvent washed) --
    7 Potential gum1, g/ m3, Max 50 50 [P:147]2 --
    8 Sulphur total percent by mass, Max 0.10 0.10 [P:34] --
    9 Lead content (as Pb), g/ l, Max 0.013 0.013 * --
    10 Reid vapour pressure (RVP), kPa 35 – 60 35 – 60 [P:39]3 A
    Vapour lock index (VLI),
    (VLI = 10RVP + 7E 70), Max :
    a) Summer4
    b) Other months


    750
    950

    750
    950 -- --
    11 Benzene content, percent by vol, Max
    a) for Metros
    b) for the rest
    **
    3.0
    5.0 --
    3.0
    5.0
    12 Copper strip corrosion for 3 h at 50OC Not more than No. 1 [P:15] --
    13 Water tolerance of gasoline-alcohol blends
    Temp. for phase separation, OC, Max :
    a) Summer
    b) Winter5
    --

    10
    0 --

    10
    0 -- B
    14 Engine intake system cleanliness6 Report – MFA used --

    To be carried out at the refinery end only, and the limit for this test is meant for products prior to addition of multifunctional additives, if used. However, the use of multifunctional additives does not exempt the manufacturer from meeting this requirement prior to addition of additives.
    This test shall be carried out on the gasoline before addition of multifunctional detergent/ dispersant additives, as these may interfere with the test.
    For the gasoline-alcohol blends, the dry vapour test method given in Annex A shall be followed.
    From May to July in central India and northern plains in India.
    In winter it is expected that temperature may be lower than 0OC in the northern hilly region and hence phase separation shall not take place till –10OC.
    Use of multifunctional additive (MFA) is a requirement for assuring adequate fuel system and intake system cleanliness performance in engines. Refiners/ Marketers of motor gasoline have to ensure that MFA has proper credentials from internationally accepted test laboratories/ authorities, of having passed a minimum of one of the tests in each of the two categories of deposit control performance indicated below :
    Deposit Type Test No. Test Equipment Test Method
    a)Intake valve Deposit (IVD) 1 BMW IVD Test ASTM D 5500-97
    2 MB M 102E IVD CEC F-05-A-93
    3 FORD 2.3 litre IVD ASTM D 6201

    b)Port fuel Injector deposit (PFI) 1 Chrysler PFI test ASTM D 5598-95A
    2 PFI deposit Rig ASTM D 6421-99A

    Other performance tests may be added as and when they reach qualified/ standard test status.
    * Under preparation till such time ASTM D 5059/ IP 352 shall be used.
    ** Under preparation till such time ASTM D 3606 may be followed.

    Conforms to IS:2796-2000 Motor Gasoline Specifications

    SPEED

    Speed is a high performance petrol produced by BPCL that enhances overall engine performance and ensures smoother driveability. Speed is blended with multifunctional performance enhancing additives.

    Benefits of speed are

    Restores engine’s peak performance
    Ensures smoother driveability
    Reduces emissions
    Extends catalytic converter’s life
    1 XII
    To import and store petroleum Class A in quantity not exceeding 300 litres
    District Authority
    Rs. 200 for every Calendar year or part thereof.
    2 XIII
    To import and store petroleum Class B otherwise than in bulk in quantity not exceeding 25000 litres
    District Authority
    Rs. 20 for every 1000 litres or part thereof for a calendar year.
    3. XIV To store petroleum in tank or tanks, in connection with pump outfit for fueling motor conveyances. Controller
    For each class of petroleum Rs. 1000 for the first 50 KL plus Rs. 15 for every additional KL or part thereof, for every calendar year subject to a maximum of Rs. 15,000 per calendar year or part thereof.
    4. XV To import and store petroleum in an installation
    Chief Controller or a Controller authorised in this behalf by the Chief Controller
    For each class of petroleum Rs. 1000 for the first 50 KL plus Rs. 15 for every additional KL or part thereof, for every calendar year subject to a maximum of Rs. 15,000 per calendar year or part thereof.
    5. XVI
    To import and store other wise than in bulk
    (a) Petroleum Class A in quantities exceeding 300 litres
    (b) Petroleum Class B in quantities exceeding 25000 litres
    (c) petroleum Class C in quantities exceeding 45000 litres or
    (d) partly one class and partly two classes of petroleum.
    Controller
    For each class of petroleum Rs. 1000 for the first 50 Kl plus Rs. 15 for every additional KL or part thereof, for every calendar year subject to a maximum of Rs. 15,000 per calendar year or part thereof.

    HP bunk used to sell


    IF-TEX
    system G (gasoline)
    system D (Diesel)
    Purge (de carb, flush)
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    Post Indian Oil Corporation

    Right to Information : Oil and Gas Service Companies

    Automotive gasoline and gasoline-oxygenate blends are used in internal combustion spark-ignition engines. These spark ignition engine fuels are primarily used for passenger cars. They are also used in off-highway utility vans, farm machinery and in other spark ignition engines employed in a variety of service applications.

    Gasoline is a complex mixture of relatively volatile hydrocarbons that vary widely in chemical & physical properties and are derived from fractional distillation of crude petroleum with a further treatment mainly in terms of improvement of its octane rating. The hundreds of individual hydrocarbons in gasoline range from c4 to c11.

    An oxygenate is an oxygen-containing, ashless organic compound (such as an alcohol or ether) which can be used as a fuel or fuel supplement. Motor gasoline is sold at retail outlets where it is directly delivered into the automobile tank. The Indian Standard governing the properties of motor gasoline & gasoline-oxygenate blends is IS 2796 : 2000 (3rd Rev).

    In view of the auto fuel policy issued by Govt of India, more & more stringent specifications (equivalent to Euro II, Euro III, Euro IV) are being made applicable for the gasolines being marketed in India. This has led to reduction of environmentally polluting factors in gasolines.

    petrol with super cleanser

    XTRAPREMIUM

    XTRAPREMIUM petrol is a much sought-after fuel among discerning motorists who are in many ways emotionally attached to their wheels.

    The “Clean and Keep Clean” function of the super cleanser additive in XTRAPREMIUM reduces deposits at the port fuel injector, intake valve and controls combustion chamber deposits to maintain "like new" performance of the vehicle. Regular use of XTRAPREMIUM gives the vehicle a superior pick-up, smoother drive, better mileage and lower emission. XTRAPREMIUM is designed not only to optimise performance of new generation vehicles but also rejuvenate old vehicles to perform better.

    Little wonder, IndianOil’s XTRAPREMIUM petrol is the largest selling branded petrol in India
    Rs 70.25/L
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    This has always been a bone of contention. But, there is always a marked increase in pickup and thrust when one changes from IOC/IBP to Shell Super Unleaded.

    Not sure if its the additive effect or Octane number, but there is difference as noted by others. And its my guess that this is because of quality of fuel. Is there anything else that cause's this mythological effect
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    Thumbs up Bike Fuel

    performance engines need more RON.
    compression > 10:1 need more RON than normal gasoline engine..
    pressure inside vs pressure outside.

    normal fuel + engine at high place work normal.

    closer at sea level will cause knocking.

    several types of available additives for: fuel; cleaner - booster e.g, oxidizer, nitro x, vaporizer,octane booster, engine, lubrication, temperature, oil grade, dot# & synthetic type.

    dirty 2stroke efficiency "2stroke fuel goes to exhaust" is less than clean 4stroke (4 valve,3 valve).

    I use castrol MAX fuel booster (cleanser) & Bardahl injector klene for gasoline fuel,
    Also used Bardahl engine oil additive wid HP motor oil, Motul motor oil.


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    Post Shell fuels

    Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines
    1. Does Shell Nitrogen Enriched gasoline clean better than before?
    2. How are Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines different from other gasolines available on the market?
    3. Do all the Shell Nitrogen Enriched gasolines meet TOP TIER Gasoline Detergent Standard?
    4. What makes Shell V-Power gasoline different?
    5. How soon does Shell V-Power gasoline begin to clean up engine gunk?
    6. Why would I spend more money to purchase Shell V-Power gasoline?
    7. How does this new gasoline help you get the most out of every drop?
    8. Are Shell gasolines suitable for motorbikes, snowmobiles, and leisure marine engines?
    9. Did you test Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines in all kinds of vehicles?
    1. Does Shell Nitrogen Enriched gasoline clean better than before?

    Yes. The old formula was very good at stopping gunky build-up, but the new formula not only helps keep intake valves cleaner than before, it actually helps deliver clean-up of gunk that lower-quality gasoline can leave behind with all three grades of Shell gasoline.

    The Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines not only help keep intake valves cleaner than before, they actually help clean-up gunk that lower-quality gasoline can leave behind. And that’s not all—today’s latest fuel-efficient engines are utilizing new technologies creating even tougher conditions with higher pressures and temperatures that can reduce the effectiveness of conventional fuel additives. The new Shell Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system is so advanced it resists thermal breakdown better than conventional additives, allowing it to help seek and destroy gunk, even in the toughest engine environments.

    2. How are Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines different from other gasolines available on the market?

    Unlike other gasolines on the market, Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines contain a unique, patented, improved formula exclusive to Shell designed to seek and destroy engine gunk that can be left by lower quality gasolines.

    All gasoline is not the same—the right gasoline can make a difference in a vehicle. Our research indicates that the minimum level of detergency required by national fuel standards is not enough to keep some vehicle engines free of gunky build-up on intake valves and fuel injectors.

    3. Do all the Shell Nitrogen Enriched gasolines meet TOP TIER Gasoline Detergent Standard?

    Yes, all grades of Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are certified as meeting and even exceeding the TOP TIER Gasoline Detergent Standard.

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    4. What makes Shell V-Power gasoline different?

    Shell V-Power gasoline is the best, most advanced product technology we have ever developed. It contains the highest concentration of the new Nitrogen Enriched Cleaning System to provide maximum protection against performance-robbing gunk, while helping to seek and destroy engine gunk that lower-quality gasolines can leave behind faster than Nitrogen Enriched Shell Bronze Gasoline. Shell V-Power gasoline has been successfully tested in today’s modern direct injection engines, proving that this new cleaning system performs under the toughest conditions found in these engines.

    5. How soon does Shell V-Power gasoline begin to clean up engine gunk?

    Shell V-Power gasoline can begin removing gunk from intake valves and fuel injectors with the first fill and when used regularly helps protect against new build-up.

    6. Why would I spend more money to purchase Shell V-Power gasoline?

    If your owner’s manual recommends a high-octane fuel, you should purchase a premium grade (such as Shell V-Power gasoline). However, not all premium fuels are the same. Just like using lower quality regular gasoline can lead to gunky build-up, using lower quality premium gasolines can have the same impact on your engine.

    Shell V-Power gasoline is the fuel for drivers who care about their engines and expect performance. The Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system provides maximum protection, because it includes a higher concentration of the new exclusive formula. Sustained use removes the gunky build-up from your vehicle’s intake valves and fuel injectors, making your engine cleaner and protecting it from developing additional build-up. When driving a vehicle designed to run on premium grade gasoline, the high-octane Shell V-Power gasoline formula can help deliver optimum vehicle performance and efficiency.

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    7. How does this new gasoline help you get the most out of every drop?

    Every drop of Shell gasoline now contains a Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system that helps seek and destroy engine gunk. In addition to offering high-quality fuel, Shell also offers services and initiatives, including those offered by our network of Select convenience stores and carwashes to help them get the most out of their purchases at Shell. Specifically supporting this new product launch is an unprecedented AIR MILES bonus offer to earn up to10X base AIR MILES earned on fuel transactions from May 4 – July 12.

    8. Are Shell gasolines suitable for motorbikes, snowmobiles, and leisure marine engines?

    Yes, Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are suited for all gasoline-powered engines. However, we recommend that customers check the owner’s manuals of those engines and use the recommended octane grade.

    9. Did you test Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines in all kinds of vehicles?

    The Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines have been extensively tested, clocking more than 800,000 k in various engines and vehicles, covering a wide range of conventional, modern turbo-charged, direct fuel-injected and hybrid-vehicle engines.

    Petrol and diesel are likely to remain the most widely used transport fuels for years to come. Burning them to produce energy creates local pollution and emissions that contribute to climate change. At Shell we are working to provide customers with cleaner, more energy-efficient fuels that can help them lower their emissions.

    Making petrol and diesel

    After oil is removed from the ground, it is sent to a refinery by pipeline or tanker. At the refinery heat is used to separate out different products at different boiling points. Some of these products, such as liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) and kerosene, are ready for use as heating or transport fuels. Others pass through a distillation column where heat and pressure cause a chemical reaction that transforms them into higher value fuel products.

    In a final stage, we may blend these products with additives to improve the quality of the fuel. We could also add gas-to-liquids (GTL) gasoil, for example, to make fuels more efficient, or biofuels which can result in lower total CO2 emissions from production to use.

    Shell fuels

    Many of our customers want more efficient fuels. Others want to improve the performance of their car. We offer fuels that help meet these customer expectations across the world.

    We have developed Shell FuelSave, which can save customers up to one litre of fuel with every fill-up. Shell FuelSave is currently available in ten countries.

    Working closely with the Ferrari team in Formula One we have developed Shell V-Power and Shell V-Power Diesel. These fuels are designed to enhance engine performance and are available to customers in over 60 countries.

    We also offer Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines in the USA and Canada. These help to better clean engines and protect against the build-up of deposits, improving engine efficiency.

    Unleaded from Shell is designed to help keep your engine clean and helps protect against corrosion

    Designed to help keep your engine clean

    To operate at their best, engines require the precise amount of air and fuel to enter the engine and be mixed together at the right time.

    With some fuels, deposits may form over time on the back of the inlet valves. This can lead to delays in the required fuel charge entering the engine and a poor mix of fuel and air, reducing the engine’s performance.

    Unleaded from Shell has been formulated to help prevent the build-up of these deposits, and to help maintain your engine’s performance.

    Formulated to help protect against corrosion

    Many of the components in the vehicle’s fuel system are metallic, and consequently there is potential for corrosion to take place. The special formulation used in Unleaded from Shell is designed to help protect your engine and fuel system against steel corrosion.

    Shell Station Locator - Products & Services

    What is it that makes us want to move more, further, and better? Whatever your reason, here at Shell we are passionate about helping you get the most out of every drop. And if you care about getting the most from your car then Shell V-Power could help enhance driving power and deliver superior performance.

    Shell V-Power / Shell V-Power Racing

    We work closely with the Ferrari team in Formula One to develop the highest performance Shell V-Power Racing fuels. These learnings are used to develop Shell fuels for road cars, to help power and protect motorists worldwide.

    Shell V-Power has been formulated by the Shell scientists who developed Ferrari's Formula One race fuels. Its unique cleaning agents and Friction Modification Technology have been formulated to help increase an engine's responsiveness and improve driving performance.

    Shell V-Power

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    Post Top Tips for Fuel Efficiency


    Shell is committed to helping motorists cut the cost of motoring through a mix of enhanced fuel technology, consumption reducing car care and expert advice on fuel-efficient driving techniques.
    Shells FuelStretch programme is designed to promote fuel efficiency. Here are a few tips

    1. Drive smoothly - Aggressive driving can use as much as a third more fuel than safe driving*. Avoid accelerating or braking too hard and try to keep your steering as smooth as possible.

    2. Use higher gears - The higher gear you drive in the lower your engine speed is, which can improve fuel efficiency. So change up a gear whenever you can, without labouring the engine.

    3. Tune and service your engine - A well-tuned engine can improve fuel economy by up to 4%**, so change your oil and follow your car manufacturers recommendation on servicing.

    4. Keep your tyres at the right pressure Correctly inflated tyres are safer and last longer. A tyre that is under inflated by just 1psi can reduce fuel efficiency by as much as 3%**. An under or over inflated tyre is also more susceptible to failing.

    5. Avoid carrying excess weight For every extra 100 lbs (45 kg) you carry your fuel efficiency can drop by 1-2%*. So keep your boot or back seat clear of unnecessary items that just add weight to your vehicle.

    6. Keep the windows closed - Wind blowing through an open window will slow you down. To compensate, you may put your foot down harder, using more fuel.

    7. Take the roof rack off - If youre not using your roof rack then remove it. They affect the aerodynamic efficiency of your vehicle and create drag, reducing fuel economy by as much as 5%*.

    8. Use the correct oil - Always use the recommended grade of motor oil. Using the manufacturers recommended lubricant can improve fuel efficiency by 1-2%**. Higher quality motor oils can also help your engine operate more efficiently.

    9. Fuel Matters All fuels are not created equal. Fuel economy is maximised in the engine through a combination of good driving habits and using the best fuelone that helps reduce friction and improve cleanliness in the engine, thereby boosting fuel efficiency.

    10. Use cruise control - Using cruise control on major roads helps you maintain a constant speed and, in many cases, will improve fuel consumption.

    11. Avoid excess idling - Idling gets you nowhere but still burns fuel. Turn the engine off when youre in a queue, or waiting for someone, until you need it.

    12. Plan trips carefully - Cutting down on the time spent in the car is the easiest way to conserve fuel. To reduce driving time, combine all your short trips and errands into a single journey.

    13. Avoid over revving - Change gear in good time when you pull away or when youre accelerating. Never redline the rev counter.

    14. Avoid high speeds - The faster you go the more wind resistance youll encounter and the more fuel your vehicle will consume just to maintain speed. Driving just 5mph over the speed limit can affect fuel economy by up to 23%***.

    15. Keep your distance - Leave a sensible distance between yourself and the car ahead to give you ample time to brake evenly.

    16. Use air conditioning sparingly Air conditioning puts added strain on the engine and uses fuel to operate, so limit use to particularly hot or cold days. On high temperate days use the fan instead.

    17. Check the air filters - Air filters keep impurities from damaging your engine. Replacing a clogged air filter can improve fuel economy by as much as 10%** and will help protect your engine.

    18. Avoid rush hour - If you can travel outside of peak times, youll spend less time stuck in traffic and consume less fuel as a result.

    19. Conserve momentum - Think ahead when youre driving. For example, slow down early to let traffic lights change, rather than stopping completely, or speed up a little before you reach the foot of a hill.

    20. Avoid small fuel fills Fuel evaporates every time you open the fuel cap. To stop this, avoid repeatedly topping up your tank. Also check the seal on your fuel cap is airtight.

    It might sound like an awful lot to keep in mind: but once these tips are absorbed into drivers everyday approach to motoring and maintenance, they become second nature. What also becomes second nature is the knowledge that trips to the forecourt will become less frequent, which in these days of rising costs has to be a major benefit for each and every driver on the road.

    *Estimates for fuel savings from sensible driving are based on studies and literature reviews performed by Energy and Environmental Analysis, Inc., Washington, DC.

    **Estimates for fuel savings from vehicle maintenance, keeping tyres properly inflated, and using the recommended grade of motor oil are based on studies and literature reviews performed by Energy and Environmental Analysis, Inc., Washington, DC. Assumes fuel price of $3.07 per gallon.

    ***Estimates for the effect of speed on MPG are based on a study by West, B.H., R.N. McGill, J.W. Hodgson, S.S. Sluder, and D.E. Smith, Development and Verification of Light-Duty Modal Emissions and Fuel Consumption Values for Traffic Models, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, March 1999. Assumes fuel price of $3.07 cpg.

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    A common misconception is that power output or fuel efficiency can be improved by burning fuel of higher octane than that specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of the fuel being burnt. Fuels of different octane ratings may have similar densities, but because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot develop more power.

    India: India's Ordinary And Premium Petrols are of 89–91 RON. The premium petrols are generally ordinary fuels with additives, that do not really change the octane value. Two variants, "Speed 93" and "Speed 97", were launched, with RON values of 93 and 97. India's economy-class vehicles usually have compression ratios under 10:1, thus enabling them to use lower-quality petrol without engine knocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMV View Post
    A common misconception is that power output or fuel efficiency can be improved by burning fuel of higher octane than that specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of the fuel being burnt. Fuels of different octane ratings may have similar densities, but because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot develop more power.

    India: India's Ordinary And Premium Petrols are of 8991 RON. The premium petrols are generally ordinary fuels with additives, that do not really change the octane value. Two variants, "Speed 93" and "Speed 97", were launched, with RON values of 93 and 97. India's economy-class vehicles usually have compression ratios under 10:1, thus enabling them to use lower-quality petrol without engine knocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agnivo007 View Post
    So it turns out to be that using normal unleaded petrol is the cheaper, better and safer bet?

    Normal petrol plus additives like iftex/Bardahl is also a good option.

    I use ordinary petrol and use Bardahl injector klene once after servicing is done.
    Bardahl injector klene costs around 80 rupees and can be used for 5-7 liters of petrol.
    Thus the cost of additives+petrol is same like premium petrols

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