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well you can do that for sure.......but why don't you get yourself an used zma?

Good question. The answer: Because I kept a zma for 2 years and everything about it disappointed me, except the engine. The engine was the only part of the bike I really liked. I was always unsatisfied (having never loved anything else about the bike) and therefore sold it some time back after incurring a huge loss.

(Now pls. don't ask me why I feel zma was a disappointment. I don't want to derail the thread from the topic.)

then rather than selling bike, you should have used engine in the cbz.

if you go on to buy each and every engine part for karizma, it can go above 25 k.thats how manufacturers price spares.

i guess 20k for engine was cool price.

Else why dont you contact JOEL from banglore. He is on XBHP.

He has engine kits for CBZ, karizma. he can provide you with all parts you need that would lead to an even more powerful karizma or cbz . You check with him what is available with him and what he can do.

I guess I should've but I didn't get this ideation back when I had the zma.

Buying each and every part is not workable, not to mention quite painful. Also, they don't sell engine blocks like that, at least the dealerships around me don't.

20K for the engine (that too old) + 4K for the Carb (approx.) + 2.5 K for the CDI (approx.) + at least 2.5K for electricals and unforeseen expenses (approx.) = 29K.
While I could find a 04 zma for around 30K and get all the parts I need from it. That's why I didn't get that engine in meerut.

Thanks for the Joel tip. I'll surely be contacting him. However, I am not looking for kits as mentioned in the original post, I am looking for the complete engine, or at least the lower half, I can always get a new cylinder kit or a head. Do you think Joel might have one??

When you do a rebuild go for new engines that gives you lesser headaches. Even if you made a mistake, its easier to identify when things are relatively new parts, otherwise you don't know where to begin troubleshooting.

Now another point is, I hope you checked the mount points of engine between CBZ & ZMA. Also you might need to change the RR unit. If you need the entire engine, approach HH & buy a new one, atleast that's what I'd do.

Last but not the least, have an unlimited budget to start the project because, these are to be done without a budget constraint. After all, there's no point building a motorcycle & finally atleast one face says, "is that all"?

All the best

The engine mounts are the same as both the bikes share the same frame, almost. Also, both the engines measure the same externally so i don't there would be chain alignment problems, though i need to confirm this. By RR unit, you mean the rectifier right?

HH doesn't sell complete new engines like that, at least the dealerships around me have said no.

Ultimately, the primary question still remains. How do I get hold of a complete zma engine?

If what you say is true,

1) Buy a used Zma
2) Swap the suspension, swing-arm and all the other parts you like from your current CBZ onto the CBZma
3) Sell the CBZ. Overhaul worn out parts on the CBZma with the money.

Overall you would be saving 10K + a lot of headaches

Ride safe. Ride hard.

Cool one Buddy, this ONE was my wildest dreams, My Age old Project Which I could never Pursue. Anyways All the best to you and your Hy-breed machine.
Please Post the Pics once the Project is finished...

As you said A Zma bike Would cost 30 Gs.. So why don't you buy a reasonabley good condition Zma use all the parts that you can use on CBZ and Sell rest of'em to Scrap yard.. so make some money out of it.

and if you are buying an engine Block alone, their is a Risk, you will never be able Judge the condition of the Machine as you can not Run it, to test it...

But my Suggestion is Please Please Preserve the Classic stock Looks of CBZ Don't do any Silly mods they Look Ugly.its a disrespect for that Machine...

I'm going the the other way around I'm Converting My 2nd ZMA to CBZ Cosmetically...

As said earlier

Buy a ZMA, plonk in fuel tank, swing arm, headlight unit and other fiber parts of CBZ to ZMA. This way you will spend less and retain same looks of CBZ too

Thank you all for the helpful inputs. I really appreciate them and actually they do make a lot of sense.

@Sri: don't worry bro. That is what my idea is. The deal being to retain as much of the stock CBZ as possible and just changing the engine. I won't change one part from the CBZ if it's not utterly essential.

Getting cbz parts on the zma does make more sense but still it doesn't satisfy me.

It seems I was a little misunderstood. It's not that I just love the looks of the CBZ and therefore I should make a zma look like the cbz. The thing is, as I said earlier, I hate almost everything about the zma, from the sitting position to the footpeg position to the slightly vague and cushy feedback provided by the chassis. The one thing I totally adore is the motor. Solid and punchy throughout the range.

The CBZ is my first bike and after almost a decade, I'm still in love with it and would never even dream of selling it!

I guess I'll just find a cheap used/abandoned/totaled zma, pull off all the parts I need, put in a new cylinder kit/rebuild the engine and sell of the rest as spares. But unfortunately there's been an emergency and I gotta put things on hold for at least a month. But once it is done, I'll definitely put up the pics and the ride experience.

I would still appreciate that other members consider this an active thread and if somebody has any ideas about finding an engine or getting a really cheap zma, please do share your info.

Thanks to all for your inputs.

if u r frm Bangalore then u can try this place named Shivaji nagar.
I've heard tht there is a gujri (scrap yard) there. They deal with all
types of bike parts. But u will have to bargain to get the whole engine
at a price below 20k. and if u r lucky u could also get the whole engine
for even 10k. and it is always betta if u take a local guy wit u.
OR
There r many well knw garages who can make your bike perform like a
karizma by using the same cbz crank, bearings, clutch casing etc.
They fit of a karizma bore piston on your bike n put off karizma cams, flywheel, rocker arms, timing chain etc.
end result.... your cbz flies like any ordinary karizma. and this can all be done within 12k for sure.

Is there any further update on this project?? I have something similar in my mind of my Impulse.

Installing Karizma Engine in CBZ Xtreme!!!

Hi, I am planning to install 223 cc KarizmaR Engine in my 150cc CBZ Xtreme. I am ready to install the new carburator and larger disc brake.
Is it possible without any harmful effect.
I want to do this because I live in Bangladesh and here bikes over 153cc are not allowed. So this is the only one option I got. Please give valuable and experienced remark. I am serious so please help me.

Another option for me to manage a Karizma R and then change the body parts. Installing all the body parts of CBZ Xtreme to look it like exactly CBZ. Please help me which option would be better.