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Long term ownership review of my Apache 150 after 2000 days and 80000 Kms

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  • Long term ownership review of my Apache 150 after 2000 days and 80000 Kms

    Request to mods: I have started a new thread and didn't want to post this in the regular ownership thread because it will get lost and forgotten within a few days in those threads. Plus this review is like a round-up of my motorcycle experience, hence a new thread is more relevant. Thanks in advance.


    This is my Long term ownership review of my Apache 150 after 2000 days and 80000 kms of riding it.
    It has been a fantastic long journey so far where we have ridden to some extraordinary places and brought back some cherished lifetime memories. It all goes back to March 2006 when I (my dad) bought my Apache 150 while I was in my 1st year of College. A racing red Apache that made heads turn. I was little proud about the fact that I was the 1st one in my town to own this beautiful machine. Many Pulsar devotees of that time didn’t like the attention that this bike was getting already.
    I slowly started to do some touring on my Apache to places around my town and it became an addiction very soon. The touring bug caught up with some of my close friends as well and we started doing group rides towards the end of our college days. I have ridden to a lot of places so far, to mention a few:
    Chennai, ECR, Pondicherry, Elagiri hills, Gingee, Javadu hills, Yercaud, Hogenakkal falls, Vedanthangal
    Bird sanctuary.

    While working at Coimbatore I travelled to some exotic destinations like:
    Kodaikanal, Munnar, Valparai, Kerala, Entire Nilgiris, Mudumalai, Bandipur & Siruvani.

    Around my hometown, I have done some short/leisure rides. Some places worth mentioning are
    Kancheepuram, Tirutanni, Chittor, Pernambut, Ponnai, Palamathi, Amirthi, Padavedu & Sathanur Dam.

    Future plans:
    Southern Andhra, Southern Karnataka, Wayanad.

    Dream destination
    Ladakh/Leh


    Now let me give an owners take on the TVS Apache 150 classic based on the various parameters of the motorcycle which would include the Engine, Gearbox, Chassis and Dimensions, Performance, Ride & handling, Fuel efficiency & cost of ownership, Tyres and Oils used etc.

    Engine
    The Apache 150's engine is the same that was used on the Fiero. It’s a gem of an engine and can take a lot of abuse..The only difference here is that while the Fiero F2 felt smooth and refined, the Apache feels pretty harsh at high revs and the vibration spreads throughout the machine.
    Some figures to quote:

    Bore x Stroke: (57 mm x 57.8 mm)
    Max Power : 13.5 Bhp @ 8500 RPM
    Max Torque: 12.3 N-m @ 6000 RPM

    I got a little excited when I heard that the Apache 180 Bore kit was a direct fit on my Apache
    150 as they both have the same stroke length (just have to work on the cylinder head to match the bore dia), but then decided that just having a bigger bore alone is not going to make a big difference.


    Gearbox
    This was the first TVS 4 stroke motorcycle to come with a 5-speed gearbox. The 5th gear gives an edge for the Apache over the Fieros. The gear ratios are very closely placed, hence gear shifting is very rapid and we reach the top gear in no time. The bike feels vibe free only at the top gear, and revving the engine above 6k rpm causes harsh vibrations. So we tend to stay at top gear most of the time. False neutrals become a pain sometimes. Otherwise it is a perfectly mated gearbox where there is no compromise for performance as well as efficiency.

    Chassis and Dimensions
    The Apache 150’s chassis is called the Double Cradle Synchrostiff chassis which is used on the entire Apache range up to Apache 180 RTR, just goes to show how good this chassis really is.
    The dimensions of the bike is pretty small compared to say.. a Pulsar. For an averagely grown up guy like me (5'10'' and 75 kgs), I do feel a little cramped, especially on long rides. The only good thing is that the bike does not have rear set foot pegs like the RTR, which would make me feel even more cramped. The ground clearance of 165mm is practical for Indian roads..
    Short Wheelbase of 1260mm is good for City commutes and for taking quick turns.


    Performance, Ride & Handling
    The Apache 150 is not a rocket on the road, but will still give a good fight to most 150cc bikes. I have done a top speed of 120 km/hr on the digital speedo (110 km/hr true speed shown on the GPS tracking device). But this bike is not about the speed, this bike is not a mile muncher like the P220 or the ZMA. This bike owns the hills; it feels right at home in the Nilgiris. The handling is just fantastic!!.. Now that brings us to the ride and suspension setup..The ride is pretty harsh and the suspension is very hard even if it is adjusted to the softest setting. I have pretty much lost my backbone to this suspension.

    Fuel Efficiency and Cost of Ownership
    The bike has always returned decent figures both in the city as well as on the highways.
    Adding to this, I don’t rev my motorcycle unnecessarily, so I get an overall Fuel efficiency of about 52-54 kmpl. Service cost for every 3000 kms will be around Rs.500-1000.
    I have calculated my entire cost of ownership which includes
    1. Cost of the motorcycle
    2. Fuel consumed
    3. Spares changed
    4. Service costs
    and the final figure for the cost of ownership is Rs.85/day.(for 2000 days) approx.


    Tyres Used

    TVS STOCK FRONT TYRE 90/90-17 TT used for 30K
    TVS STOCK REAR TYRE 100/80-18 TT used for 27K

    MRF METEOR 110/90-18 TT used for 33K
    MRF ZAPPER Q 100/90-18 TT still using after 20K
    MRF ZAPPER FS 90/90-17 TT still using after 50K !!

    As far as tyres are concerned I have come to the conclusion that MRF is real VFM.
    The tyres last long and have good dry/wet grip..TVS tyres are the worst and can be used strictly on tarmac only. Though my Apache had a fantastic handling set-up, it was let down by bad TVS tyres. I read somewhere recently that they are now working on a new compound for better grip.
    I have not yet tried Michelin, but have heard that they are the best in the market, planning to try the
    Michelin Sirac Street the next time I go for tyre change.


    Engine Oils Used
    I have tried Mineral oil/semi synthetic/fully synthetic oils. After a lot of experimenting,
    I can say that Mineral Oils are more than sufficient for our 150cc Indian bikes, though the oil change interval would be pretty frequent (2.5-3K). I used fully synthetic oil for more than 6-7k kms. Also synthetic oil is good for long distance touring as it keeps the engine cooler than a mineral oil would. But the deal breaker was the price. Synthetic oils cost between Rs 750-850 whereas a mineral oils cost about Rs 200-300 only. AGIP racing fully synthetic 5w40 costs about Rs.550 and is real VFM. So my recommendations for the best Oils in the market would be as follows

    Mineral Oil- Motul 3000T 20W40
    Semi-synthetic- Castrol Power1 15W40 (have not used any other, so can't recommend anything else)
    Fully sythetic- AGIP Racing 5W40 (choosing this over Motul 300V just for the price factor.)


    Final Words
    Hope I didn’t bore you guys with my Apache story. Just felt like sharing my views.
    My small advice to budding bikers is- ‘It doesn’t matter what motorcycle you have, just treat it well and the bike will take care of you when you need it the most’.
    Last edited by apacherenator; 11-22-2011, 03:24 PM.
    1986 SUZUKI AX100R
    1999 KAWASAKI CALIBER
    2006 TVS APACHE 150
    2010 YAMAHA SZ-X

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    Long term review of apache approved.
    (Been There Done That) x 3.25

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    • #3
      Satish he beat you(in terms of kms) !

      Congrats on achieving 80k on your Apache.
      Wish you many happy miles ahead!

      Speak Less,Speak Wise!

      Sarcasm is my automatic response to stupidity.

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      • #4
        Tyres Used

        TVS STOCK FRONT TYRE 90/90-17 TT used for 30K
        TVS STOCK REAR TYRE 100/80-18 TT used for 27K

        MRF METEOR 110/90-18 TT used for 33K
        MRF ZAPPER Q 100/90-18 TT still using after 20K
        MRF ZAPPER FS 90/90-17 TT still using after 50K !!
        50k on that front tyre is really unbelievable its great to hear your experience apacherenator
        congrats for your 80k mark

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        • #5
          Congratulations for 80k kms u've maintained the bike very well, i just bought my first geared bike, a used honda unicorn since u have so much experience with the bike hope u don't mind me asking suggestions from u in the future nd i see u've installed the rtr's tail light, put the racing scoops too no one will be able to tell the difference between rtr

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          • #6
            Originally posted by haxor View Post
            Satish he beat you(in terms of kms) !

            Congrats on achieving 80k on your Apache.
            Wish you many happy miles ahead!

            Thank you very much. Next Milestone is 1 Lakh kms

            Originally posted by Kirankj1724 View Post
            50k on that front tyre is really unbelievable its great to hear your experience apacherenator
            congrats for your 80k mark
            Thanks Kiran..and yes, the zapper fs is still doing pretty good.Even I am amazed. The tread is still looking decent enough to run for another 10k..

            Originally posted by sinnerz2000 View Post
            Congratulations for 80k kms u've maintained the bike very well, i just bought my first geared bike, a used honda unicorn since u have so much experience with the bike hope u don't mind me asking suggestions from u in the future nd i see u've installed the rtr's tail light, put the racing scoops too no one will be able to tell the difference between rtr
            Thank you. You are always welcome to ask for suggestions. I myself learnt a lot only from fellow Xbhp'ians..and yes I have changed a lot of parts externally and the bike looks very similar to the RTR..The things I changed are
            1.Digital Speedo (RTR 180)
            2.LED tail lamps
            3.Split grab rails
            4.Clear lens indicatiors
            5.clutch and brake lever of RTR
            6.Matt black crash guard
            7.RTR handle grip
            8.RTR rear view mirrors
            1986 SUZUKI AX100R
            1999 KAWASAKI CALIBER
            2006 TVS APACHE 150
            2010 YAMAHA SZ-X

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            • #7
              Congrats on the 80K mark!
              That's a good review.
              Could you provide some more details on the repairs involved, current engine condition etc.?
              Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                Congrats on the 80K mark!
                That's a good review.
                Could you provide some more details on the repairs involved, current engine condition etc.?
                The engine is totally untouched..neither have I gone for any performance enhancing products like K&N or Iridium plugs or FFE etc. Everything in the bike is in stock condition..
                Haven't done any major repair work as such..but I did change
                1). Front disc assembly
                2). New Battery
                3). Starter clutch for self starter
                4). left hand side switch gear.
                1986 SUZUKI AX100R
                1999 KAWASAKI CALIBER
                2006 TVS APACHE 150
                2010 YAMAHA SZ-X

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                • #9
                  sweet man, digital speedo of 180 is awesome, i had an option of buying a 150 also but since my height is 6.2 bike didn't suit me dat well so opted for unicorn, it was cheaper too the price the owner was quoting for apache 150 was 30k (was not willing to reduce it) and unicorn was quoted 27k but got it for 25k with ease the bike is in excellent condition used 33k kms but still has original tyres and tread is like its been used for 15k kms, only small prob is engine oil leak jus gotta change header gasket and a general service nd my bike is ready for touring

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sinnerz2000 View Post
                    sweet man, digital speedo of 180 is awesome, i had an option of buying a 150 also but since my height is 6.2 bike didn't suit me dat well so opted for unicorn, it was cheaper too the price the owner was quoting for apache 150 was 30k (was not willing to reduce it) and unicorn was quoted 27k but got it for 25k with ease the bike is in excellent condition used 33k kms but still has original tyres and tread is like its been used for 15k kms, only small prob is engine oil leak jus gotta change header gasket and a general service nd my bike is ready for touring
                    I am a big fan of the Unicorn..The handling and corner exit speeds are just amazing..and the rear mono shocks is the best in the business.. I always thought I should have gone for the Unicorn, but am happy with my Apache
                    You will certainly enjoy touring on the Unicorn.
                    1986 SUZUKI AX100R
                    1999 KAWASAKI CALIBER
                    2006 TVS APACHE 150
                    2010 YAMAHA SZ-X

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by apacherenator View Post
                      The engine is totally untouched..neither have I gone for any performance enhancing products like K&N or Iridium plugs or FFE etc. Everything in the bike is in stock condition..
                      Haven't done any major repair work as such..but I did change
                      1). Front disc assembly
                      2). New Battery
                      3). Starter clutch for self starter
                      4). left hand side switch gear.
                      That's it? You have one amazing quality bike...congrats once again!
                      Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by apacherenator View Post
                        Request to mods: I have started a new thread and didn't want to post this in the regular ownership thread because it will get lost and forgotten within a few days in those threads. Plus this review is like a round-up of my motorcycle experience, hence a new thread is more relevant. Thanks in advance.

                        Great story mate . Even i have an apache 150 which i bought in june 2006. It has just crossed 55k kms and still it goes like a dream after it crosses 4k rpm.

                        Its nice to see your ride well maintained and cared for . Even my bike is stock but due to a major accident, i had to change the whole front end ( you can read rest of the story here ( http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/pit-stop...-my-beast.html )

                        I wanted to go for the Apache 180's console but i am a sucker for analogue dials .

                        Please share the cost of the parts you have put from the RTR if possible.

                        Lastly here are some pics of my ride

                        aditya





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                        • #13
                          @ Aditya

                          wow your pics look amazing..must be using a DSLR I suppose ??
                          I am still using a humble 5 year old, point and shoot, 7 MP camera and I try my best to make the pictures look good.
                          The silver Apache looks cool. Only few people had this color. This makes your bike exclusive !!.. More exclusive would be the blue one. Most Apache 150's were either Red or Black..for that matter, most bikes are either Red or Black
                          1986 SUZUKI AX100R
                          1999 KAWASAKI CALIBER
                          2006 TVS APACHE 150
                          2010 YAMAHA SZ-X

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by addyrulz01 View Post

                            I wanted to go for the Apache 180's console but i am a sucker for analogue dials .

                            Please share the cost of the parts you have put from the RTR if possible.
                            The approximate costs of the RTR parts when I bought them are as follows:

                            RTR 180 Digital speedo with all the cables: Rs.3000
                            LED tail lamps : Rs.1200+
                            Split grab rails: Rs.600+
                            Clear lens indicators(4 nos.): Rs.600+
                            Aluminium alloy cluth lever: Rs.100+
                            Aluminium alloy front brake lever: Rs.200+
                            Matt black crash guard: Rs.250
                            RTR rear view mirrors: Rs.250+
                            RTR handle grip: Rs.90+

                            For the flash switch to work with the new speedo the mechanic tried to fit an additional device,but it didn't work, so I changed the entire lefthand side switch gear which cost me Rs.350
                            Last edited by apacherenator; 11-22-2011, 03:32 PM.
                            1986 SUZUKI AX100R
                            1999 KAWASAKI CALIBER
                            2006 TVS APACHE 150
                            2010 YAMAHA SZ-X

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by apacherenator View Post
                              wow your pics look amazing..must be using a DSLR I suppose ??
                              I am still using a humble 5 year old, point and shoot, 7 MP camera and I try my best to make the pictures look good.
                              The silver Apache looks cool. Only few people had this color. This makes your bike exclusive !!.. More exclusive would be the blue one. Most Apache 150's were either Red or Black..for that matter, most bikes are either Red or Black
                              Originally posted by apacherenator View Post
                              The approximate costs of the RTR parts when I bought them are as follows:

                              RTR 180 Digital speedo with all the cables: Rs.3000
                              LED tail lamps : Rs.600+
                              Split grab rails: Rs.600+
                              Clear lens indicators(4 nos.): Rs.600+
                              Aluminium alloy cluth lever: Rs.100+
                              Aluminium alloy front brake lever: Rs.200+
                              Matt black crash guard: Rs.250
                              RTR rear view mirrors: Rs.250+
                              RTR handle grip: Rs.90+

                              For the flash switch to work with the new speedo the mechanic tried to fit an additional device,but it didn't work, so I changed the entire lefthand side switch gear which cost me Rs.350
                              Thank you so much buddy. Yes m i use a DSLR, and even your photos are great .

                              Thats a good price for the grab rails. I may go for them in future.

                              By the way , i am also running MRF zapper FS in the front ( 90 sections ) and IRC durotour ( 110 sections ) in the rear and the grip is fantastic !

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