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**shv18** · 08-13-2013, 11:42 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

Congratulations!

It's quite normal about the noise. No worries, it'll settle itself after some use. Just use it freely, and the guys in service center will do its job at the first service.

Regarding the oil - well, from what I have read, everywhere it says it's practically not possible for engine to be broken in properly with fully synthetic oil. Synthetic oil is too smooth for the metal parts to properly align to each other. What will happen is the same glazed cylinder walls, as if a bike is being babied.

I'd suggest to change the oil to Motul 3000 fully mineral oil as soon as you can, together with oil filter. You can buy the oil filter from KTM and change the oil at any street mechanic shop.
You need 1.2-1.4 liters of oil, so you could buy 3 cans now for 2 oil changes.
If I were you I'd change the oil now and then again at first service, and keep the fully mineral till some 2000 km. After it change it to Motul 7100.
Give your engine a chance to properly break in for better engine, performance and mileage.

Just my two cents,

It is completely a wrong notion that the modern engines cannot handle an FS/ Fully Synthetic oil during run-in period. The earlier belief stands true for vehicles in the 80s and 90s era where the metallurgical advancements were still of older tech. The modern engines now have better materials and CNC cut parts which are accurate to a micron. If you check all modern cars even Volkswagen, ford series in India.. they all come pre-filled with FS oil and have a service interval of 10 - 15k kms.

To the rider with the query.. yes you can do your run-in with the Motul 7100V engine oil.. but don't be too gentle with your ride otherwise you risk scuffing the cylinder walls of your engine. Post 150 kms start opening her up... pacing is important. once the engine fully heats up, you can gently take her to 6 - 8k or the set rev limiter from the company and bring her back.. do a lot of gear/engine breaking. Load the engine but without lugging it.. You will help the engine break-in process properly. Drain the oil @1k kms and re-fill with Motul 7100 FS oil.

Cheers,

**splus** · 08-13-2013, 11:56 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Spoke to Vikram from Motozone, and I cant believe my ears. Serge, shv need your help here. Vikram has asked me to meet him on Palm Beach Road on Sunday, where he will give me a demo of his pipercross foam filter.

He claims the filter will make me super happy and will just blow me off. He said the massive power and thrust gain will make me regret my ecu remapping decision. Could that be true?

Shiv, do you have any idea. Can his claims be taken seriously. I mean, never heard or read of just filter change improving performance so much....

Yeah, he told me the same when I talked to him yesterday, but I really, really doubt ANY air filter can make that much difference.
In fact, it's simple - if a bike isn't getting enough air then a good air filter can make good difference. But almost all stock bikes get relatively enough air, or at least are not struggling, so performance air filters help just a little on stock bikes. Not even nearly as much as ECU remap

I tried one K&N before on different bike, but the biggest difference was the noise.

I've never felt stock Duke misses much air. Maybe little, but not much.
But, after riding the Duke with Kiirus ECU it feels like it could definitely use more air. Which is logical - if you increase power and fuel you need more air as well.

IMO, Duke with Kiirus ECU would benefit from performance air filter much more than the stock Duke would.

But maybe I'm wrong - if they have a stock Duke that you can try with and without Pipercross filter then it might help some who would be interested in getting an air filter upgrade if it offers a good power boost.
I'm sure some future D390 owners would be curious as well...

So, please post your experience straight away on Sunday!
I'll be waiting for your update, and if good I'll order one Pipercross from Motozone first thing on Monday!

Anything for more horses!
Duke 200 -> 230 -> 250!!!

**splus** · 08-14-2013, 12:26 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post

I honestly don't think you get such a humongous difference in power with JUST a air filter. In any case, I would love to drop in on Sunday [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION], using the stock sprocket now again so might give a proper comparison of Stock vs Remapped vs Air Filtered.

Also on the Top Speed limiting issue. IF that is true which it CAN be, it has to be official from KTM. I say this as most of us know that many high end German cars are limited to 155 MPH though have potential of reaching much higher speeds. That is something which is announced by every brand. There are people who remove the Speed Limiters. So again as I say, it IS possible but I don't think if KTM would do such a thing why wouldn't they make it public opinion.

That would be great if you can try the filter as well.

Btw, what happened to the top speed test with you and [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION]?
Are you back now to 42T or 43T? Do you feel it's better than 39T?

Ah, I'm not sure KTM would say or inform about anything.
They even remapped people's ECUs who had their top speed at 139 kmh to 134 kmh without even telling them anything! I was so pissed off about it. It's like they suddenly degrade your bike without even telling you...
How can you expect them then to be straightforward about some other speed limit?

I like KTM bikes but definitely dislike some of their business practices...

**splus** · 08-14-2013, 01:05 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Just my two cents,

It is completely a wrong notion that the modern engines cannot handle an FS/ Fully Synthetic oil during run-in period. The earlier belief stands true for vehicles in the 80s and 90s era where the metallurgical advancements were still of older tech. The modern engines now have better materials and CNC cut parts which are accurate to a micron. If you check all modern cars even Volkswagen, ford series in India.. they all come pre-filled with FS oil and have a service interval of 10 - 15k kms.

To the rider with the query.. yes you can do your run-in with the Motul 7100V engine oil.. but don't be too gentle with your ride otherwise you risk scuffing the cylinder walls of your engine. Post 150 kms start opening her up... pacing is important. once the engine fully heats up, you can gently take her to 6 - 8k or the set rev limiter from the company and bring her back.. do a lot of gear/engine breaking. Load the engine but without lugging it.. You will help the engine break-in process properly. Drain the oil @1k kms and re-fill with Motul 7100 FS oil.

Cheers,

I don't want to drag this topic because I think the difference isn't much anyway.

However, few words - the mineral vs synthetic oil during run in isn't about quality or durability of engine parts.
Quality of engine can be perfect with newest technology.

But during the run in, in fact, mostly during the first 100 km, the piston rings are setting against the cylinder walls. It's a strong pressure, and it's metal against metal. Very strong pressure. No matter what material or quality (unless it's made of adamantium from Wolverine's claws), they'll get aligned against each other in one way or the other.

Synthetic oil is very fine, in fact too fine, slippery, which prevents a nice setting in to be done.
Mineral oil allows the nice setting in to be done, IF you slam those parts against each other with strong force (high rpms with good load). If you do it little by little, with weak force (low rpms for long time) then it won't happen perfectly, and that's where the glazing happens, which causes oil leakage, weaker performance and lower mileage.

The fact that many manufacturers are putting synthetic oil on delivery doesn't make it right or best option for the engine.
But most people don't want to think about it, and most people aren't interested if their bike/car performs several percents better or worse. They'd rather not bother about it. And manufacturers know that.

**shv18** · 08-14-2013, 01:18 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

However, few words - the mineral vs synthetic oil during run in isn't about quality or durability of engine parts.
Quality of engine can be perfect with newest technology.

But during the run in, in fact, mostly during the first 100 km, the piston rings are setting against the cylinder walls. It's a strong pressure, and it's metal against metal. Very strong pressure. No matter what material or quality (unless it's made of adamantium from Wolverine's claws), they'll get aligned against each other in one way or the other.

Synthetic oil is very fine, in fact too fine, slippery, which prevents a nice setting in to be done.
Mineral oil allows the nice setting in to be done, IF you slam those parts against each other with strong force (high rpms with good load). If you do it little by little, with weak force (low rpms for long time) then it won't happen perfectly, and that's where the glazing happens, which causes oil leakage, weaker performance and lower mileage.

The fact that many manufacturers are putting synthetic oil on delivery doesn't make it right or best option for the engine.
But most people don't want to think about it, and most people aren't interested if their bike/car performs several percents better or worse. They'd rather not bother about it. And manufacturers know that.

Then manufacturers must be idiots to fill in FS oil worth 730 bucks while they can get the suggested correct method and cheaper way of run-in done by filling 330 bucks of mineral oil then right? Why would they risk engine damage within the first 2 years when they have to cover the engine block for the said no. Of kms on engine warranty then?

A manufacturer knows what works for thenegine best and without making the ownership costs go way too high my friend. It is not about adamantium or any other metal but rather improvement in technology of metal casting which now allows manufacturers now to provide vehicles running on FS oil right from the start.

Cheers,

**abhayshanu** · 08-14-2013, 01:43 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

That would be great if you can try the filter as well.

Btw, what happened to the top speed test with you and @chinmayakar?
Are you back now to 42T or 43T? Do you feel it's better than 39T?

Ah, I'm not sure KTM would say or inform about anything.
They even remapped people's ECUs who had their top speed at 139 kmh to 134 kmh without even telling them anything! I was so pissed off about it. It's like they suddenly degrade your bike without even telling you...
How can you expect them then to be straightforward about some other speed limit?

I like KTM bikes but definitely dislike some of their business practices...

As mine is a 2012 model so my stock is 43T. I have tried the top speed on my own have clock 140+ kmph at around 9k or so. The bike felt it was being pushed too much. Which is what I always felt with the 39T. BUT I was using the 39T not for its top speed but its superb Highway Riding Capability. At around 90-100 I use to be riding very comfortably at 6-7k. Which was my everyday riding speed for over 20 kms, but as I'm not riding on highways much now a days, shifted back to 43T. Might go to 40T after my Remap and FFE. Also I'm running without the Air Filter Cap, so the sound is increased with increase of air flow, but I really cant feel any difference, yes its not slower which happens to all carb bikes as they receive more air than fuel. So I guess it is getting more fuel too, it must be adjusting itself so technically I must be getting some marginal more power.

I will try the PiperCross bike myself on Sunday.
But IMO, BMC > Cosworth > Green Cotton > Piper / K&N. This is from my personal experience on my pulsar. Have tried Green, Cosworth and now using BMC. Piper and K&N are very common and have tried them on other bikes.

**splus** · 08-14-2013, 03:07 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Then manufacturers must be idiots to fill in FS oil worth 730 bucks while they can get the suggested correct method and cheaper way of run-in done by filling 330 bucks of mineral oil then right? Why would they risk engine damage within the first 2 years when they have to cover the engine block for the said no. Of kms on engine warranty then?

A manufacturer knows what works for thenegine best and without making the ownership costs go way too high my friend. It is not about adamantium or any other metal but rather improvement in technology of metal casting which now allows manufacturers now to provide vehicles running on FS oil right from the start.

Cheers,

There's no engine "damage". It's not a big deal, this won't damage the engine in any way for it to break down. It just won't be in a good shape.
99% of bikes on the roads have been babied during run in and have glazed cylinder walls, and it's not a big deal at all. People are happy.
It's just that all those engines could have been in better shape with better performance than they are.

If the current materials are so good then it wouldn't also matter what way a break in is performed - if a bike is babied or given a proper treatment.
If you read a post several pages ago about engine conditions of 2 Pulsars which were given 2 different run in treatments you'll see it does matter very much how you break in your engine.
If the materials today are perfect then there would be no difference, and that mentioned Pulsar 220 wouldn't have had its engine in a bad shape.
And that's not an engine from 20 years ago...

The point is that despite better quality and durability of materials today there is a difference between a run in treatment, which also includes the oil used.

I don't know why you put so much trust in manufacturers, but I'll ask you something. What do you think what's in manufacturer's best interest - to have you happy, or to have them happy? To make you spend less money, or to make you spend more money on their products?

I know the answer, and I know the answer is unfortunate, but it's the way it is in modern world.

Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post

As mine is a 2012 model so my stock is 43T. I have tried the top speed on my own have clock 140+ kmph at around 9k or so. The bike felt it was being pushed too much. Which is what I always felt with the 39T. BUT I was using the 39T not for its top speed but its superb Highway Riding Capability. At around 90-100 I use to be riding very comfortably at 6-7k. Which was my everyday riding speed for over 20 kms, but as I'm not riding on highways much now a days, shifted back to 43T. Might go to 40T after my Remap and FFE. Also I'm running without the Air Filter Cap, so the sound is increased with increase of air flow, but I really cant feel any difference, yes its not slower which happens to all carb bikes as they receive more air than fuel. So I guess it is getting more fuel too, it must be adjusting itself so technically I must be getting some marginal more power.

I will try the PiperCross bike myself on Sunday.
But IMO, BMC > Cosworth > Green Cotton > Piper / K&N. This is from my personal experience on my pulsar. Have tried Green, Cosworth and now using BMC. Piper and K&N are very common and have tried them on other bikes.

I see. Makes me wonder if I'll like 40T or not... Damn, it would be good if there's 41T somewhere, that would be perfect one. But let's try and see.

Can you guys check on Sunday if 42T sprocket is available from Motozone and for how much? Just the sprocket.

Vikram did mention to me that, yes, BMC is good, very, very good, but the problem with it was that it is made for clean air and not dusty environment.
He said they opened some BMC filters and saw they were very, very dirty and some even had big holes in them made by too much dust. So they weren't actually filtering the air from dust at all.

He said Pipercross is perfect for dusty environment.
I hope you'll be able to give it a proper test for both stock and Kiirus ECU Dukes.

**abhayshanu** · 08-14-2013, 03:59 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

I see. Makes me wonder if I'll like 40T or not... Damn, it would be good if there's 41T somewhere, that would be perfect one. But let's try and see.

Can you guys check on Sunday if 42T sprocket is available from Motozone and for how much? Just the sprocket.

Vikram did mention to me that, yes, BMC is good, very, very good, but the problem with it was that it is made for clean air and not dusty environment.
He said they opened some BMC filters and saw they were very, very dirty and some even had big holes in them made by too much dust. So they weren't actually filtering the air from dust at all.

He said Pipercross is perfect for dusty environment.
I hope you'll be able to give it a proper test for both stock and Kiirus ECU Dukes.

According to me the 40T would be perfect. Even if the remap would give me added revs, I wont be using them much. Would still prefer to stay under 10k. I even now for most of my tests and rides always remain under 8k. So the added power + smaller sprocket would mean near equal acceleration and greater top speed. The 42T is the stock sprocket for the newer lot KTMs, I guess chinmayakar's must be 42T and I'm sure you would easily find it with the ASC. Also if you decide to go for 40T, get both the rear sprocket and chain installed, would work best.

I really don't the air filter thing makes any sense. Pipercross use sponge type(or maybe sponge) material for their filters which I have seen deteriorate pretty quick, BMC on the other hand are the usual Air Filter materials.
Here is an extract from their Air Filter for the D200 page - BMC filters are made of a multi-layered cotton gauze soaked with low viscosity oil covered with an epoxy coated alloy mesh to ensure protection from petrol fumes and oxidization due to air humidity. Here is the page for reference - STANDARD BIKE FILTERS FM733/20 | BMC AIR FILTERS.

I personally believe more in facts and figures and personal experience rather than just talk. If Kiirus and Motozone would back up their claims, both top speed limiting and air filter preference, I would gladly believe them.

**shv18** · 08-14-2013, 05:37 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

There's no engine "damage". It's not a big deal, this won't damage the engine in any way for it to break down. It just won't be in a good shape.
99% of bikes on the roads have been babied during run in and have glazed cylinder walls, and it's not a big deal at all. People are happy.
It's just that all those engines could have been in better shape with better performance than they are.

If the current materials are so good then it wouldn't also matter what way a break in is performed - if a bike is babied or given a proper treatment.
If you read a post several pages ago about engine conditions of 2 Pulsars which were given 2 different run in treatments you'll see it does matter very much how you break in your engine.
If the materials today are perfect then there would be no difference, and that mentioned Pulsar 220 wouldn't have had its engine in a bad shape.
And that's not an engine from 20 years ago...

The point is that despite better quality and durability of materials today there is a difference between a run in treatment, which also includes the oil used.

I don't know why you put so much trust in manufacturers, but I'll ask you something. What do you think what's in manufacturer's best interest - to have you happy, or to have them happy? To make you spend less money, or to make you spend more money on their products?

I know the answer, and I know the answer is unfortunate, but it's the way it is in modern world.

Forgive me.. i thought we were talking about engine oils all this while. If you are talking about run-in style then yes i completely agree with you.. simply baby riding the bike all the way during the 1k run-in period is plain stupid!! One will end up glazing and scuffing the cylinder walls. But at the same time there are two school of thoughts when it comes to run-in:

* The Motoman - "Ride it like you've stolen it" style and change engine oils in quick intervals.
* The standard manufacturer's recommended break-in

Both have claimed to achieve good results and both have critics as well. I personally follow the company recommended style of breaking in only for the 1st 50 - 100 kms and then start pacing without keeping the engine at higher rpms for too long. After 1 hour of operation/ 20 kms stretch, the engine is shut off and given a break to cool in for atleast 20 mins and then again the process starts.

Regarding the manufacturer's benefit.. i am sure if they don't make sales and get bad publicity they will not be happy as it will directly effect their bank balance. They want to make money with less effort and lesser headache from warranty claims. The FS oil keeps your service interval @ 5000 kms or a certain no. of months right? What is the ownership cost of the same? If i make a comparison to my puny FZ motor being serviced at an SVC in Mumbai, price wise it is not that expensive to maintain a bigger motor Duke over mine purely in terms of basic engine service. So i will give some brownie points to the manufacturer for thinking it through on Duke 200.

Regarding sprocketing: everytime you add a teeth on the front sprocket or drop a teeth on the rear, there will be a reduction of around 300-500 rpms for the engine to achieve to same speed to that of stock sprocket config. You will most likely end up having 4-5 kmph increase in speed [MENTION=21789]The[/MENTION] same rpm. 41T to the best of my knowledge is not available in India on any bikes which may fit on a Duke 200. May be you can custom make it or get it ordered or something.. not sure

Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post

I honestly don't think you get such a humongous difference in power with JUST a air filter. In any case, I would love to drop in on Sunday @chinmayakar, using the stock sprocket now again so might give a proper comparison of Stock vs Remapped vs Air Filtered.

Also on the Top Speed limiting issue. IF that is true which it CAN be, it has to be official from KTM. I say this as most of us know that many high end German cars are limited to 155 MPH though have potential of reaching much higher speeds. That is something which is announced by every brand. There are people who remove the Speed Limiters. So again as I say, it IS possible but I don't think if KTM would do such a thing why wouldn't they make it public opinion.

I believe it would be a logical thing to attempt: try to find out the real reason from the manufacturer itself though i am not sure if they are willing to share it.

May be you can coax the SVC guys to open up the speedo unit and see it for yourself regarding what is the real deal? I don't own a Duke 200 so i really cannot comment about it. Actually to be honest i was quite surprised when i came to know about such a speed governing unit being even into existence for a 200cc bike and that too in India as we don't have any such speed governing rules or agreements here to the best of my knowledge. This is just a guess but may be Bajaj guys are following some protocol due to regulations of EU and we guys as a result have to live with it??

If you do get a positive response from the manufacturer please do share the info here.. something more to learn from.

All the best..

Cheers,

**splus** · 08-14-2013, 12:07 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by abhayshanu View Post

According to me the 40T would be perfect. Even if the remap would give me added revs, I wont be using them much. Would still prefer to stay under 10k. I even now for most of my tests and rides always remain under 8k. So the added power + smaller sprocket would mean near equal acceleration and greater top speed. The 42T is the stock sprocket for the newer lot KTMs, I guess chinmayakar's must be 42T and I'm sure you would easily find it with the ASC. Also if you decide to go for 40T, get both the rear sprocket and chain installed, would work best.

I really don't the air filter thing makes any sense. Pipercross use sponge type(or maybe sponge) material for their filters which I have seen deteriorate pretty quick, BMC on the other hand are the usual Air Filter materials.
Here is an extract from their Air Filter for the D200 page - BMC filters are made of a multi-layered cotton gauze soaked with low viscosity oil covered with an epoxy coated alloy mesh to ensure protection from petrol fumes and oxidization due to air humidity. Here is the page for reference - STANDARD BIKE FILTERS FM733/20 | BMC AIR FILTERS.

I personally believe more in facts and figures and personal experience rather than just talk. If Kiirus and Motozone would back up their claims, both top speed limiting and air filter preference, I would gladly believe them.

And here's Pipercross website where they say their foam filters are better than other ones because they provide more air and better filtration from dirt:

http://www.pipercross.net/motorcycle/

Looks like everyone's saying their horse runs fastest...

Thanks for your input about your experience, that's the only way to find the real truth.
Let's see on Sunday how Pipercross performs.

As I said, Abhishek wrote me BMC for Duke is available from Red Rooster in Bangalore for Rs 4,700.

RED ROOSTER PERFORMANCE (INTERNATIONAL) PVT. LTD.
#B-10, NGEF Ancillary Industrial Estate| Mahadevapura, Whitefield, Bangalore 560048
Tel: +91 80 43408899 / 96
Fax: +91 80 43408888
Mobile: +91 9686339999

Since I'm anyway going to Whitefield I'll pay them a visit and check it out about BMC.

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

Forgive me.. i thought we were talking about engine oils all this while. If you are talking about run-in style then yes i completely agree with you.. simply baby riding the bike all the way during the 1k run-in period is plain stupid!! One will end up glazing and scuffing the cylinder walls. But at the same time there are two school of thoughts when it comes to run-in:

* The Motoman - "Ride it like you've stolen it" style and change engine oils in quick intervals.
* The standard manufacturer's recommended break-in

Both have claimed to achieve good results and both have critics as well. I personally follow the company recommended style of breaking in only for the 1st 50 - 100 kms and then start pacing without keeping the engine at higher rpms for too long. After 1 hour of operation/ 20 kms stretch, the engine is shut off and given a break to cool in for atleast 20 mins and then again the process starts.

Yeah, we were talking about engine oils, but I "slided" the topic a bit cause I'm not really into arguing, and we were disagreeing here.
I still think that a proper run in with fully mineral oil will leave an engine in better shape than a proper run in with fully synthetic oil.

Current materials and quality of engines are more then good enough to withstand Motoman treatment straight out of showroom (unlike engines from 20 years ago), but there's a big difference if such a treatment is done with mineral or synthetic oil.
Most modern materials and coating are great but physics is physics, and for setting in to be done you need more coarse molecules of mineral oil. Synthetic oil is simply to fine for this process - it softens the impact between two metal parts and helps the surfaces to get glazed instead of shape each other's surface perfectly.

But as I said, it's not that important... Certainly not this much talk.

Btw, I do my run ins by doing a little softer version of Motoman, but it's important to be done straight out of showroom.
If I'm babying my bike for first 100km and THEN start doing Motoman the results wouldn't be nearly the same.
First kilometers are crucial. It doesn't take long for cylinder walls to get glazed...

Originally posted by shv18 View Post

I believe it would be a logical thing to attempt: try to find out the real reason from the manufacturer itself though i am not sure if they are willing to share it.

May be you can coax the SVC guys to open up the speedo unit and see it for yourself regarding what is the real deal? I don't own a Duke 200 so i really cannot comment about it. Actually to be honest i was quite surprised when i came to know about such a speed governing unit being even into existence for a 200cc bike and that too in India as we don't have any such speed governing rules or agreements here to the best of my knowledge. This is just a guess but may be Bajaj guys are following some protocol due to regulations of EU and we guys as a result have to live with it??

If you do get a positive response from the manufacturer please do share the info here.. something more to learn from.

All the best..

Cheers,

Well, I'll check if I have this limit or not, but if I have I'll try whatever way possible to remove it. Fair play or not.

I doubt KTM / Bajaj are making 2 versions of bikes. They just limit it and leave it to owners to deal with it, wherever they are. And nobody really expects a 200 cc bike to go faster than 135-140 kmh anyway...

And if you ask KTM for higher top speed on Duke 200 they'll direct you to upgrade to Duke 390...

**DukeDey** · 08-14-2013, 01:28 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

And here's Pipercross website where they say their foam filters are better than other ones because they provide more air and better filtration from dirt:

http://www.pipercross.net/motorcycle/

Looks like everyone's saying their horse runs fastest...

Thanks for your input about your experience, that's the only way to find the real truth.
Let's see on Sunday how Pipercross performs..

I just checked the pipercross website and guess what, they don't manufacture any filters for the duke series. I wonder from where the motozone guy is sourcing one.

Sent from my GT-I9100

**chinmayakar** · 08-14-2013, 01:31 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

I just checked the pipercross website and guess what, they don't manufacture any filters for the duke series. I wonder from where the motozone guy is sourcing one.

Sent from my GT-I9100

Bingo!! Thats what I did first after getting off the phone. When Pipercross does not make it, where is this guy sourcing it from? Also, I am very sceptical when someone makes a claim too good to be true.

Anything that sounds too good to be true, I try to stay away from it. Lets see how genuine his claims are. Abhay Bro, I need you on Sunday, lets check this out.

I also checked with Joel yesterday. He has headwork and lots of other mods ready for the Duke 200. Also, he will be making FFE for Duke next month.

I trust him over others any day. Serge, can you please get in touch with Joel, he is in Bangalore, and check out what all he can do.

Very IMP: Any mods he recommends, get it done from him, in case you decide to get it done. He executes it very well, and dont tamper that setting from outside.

I would say lets hold on to our horses now, and lets not spend on upgrades now. Lets explore as of now.
I will be riding down to Bangalore may be this year end or start of next year only to get the mods done by Joel.

As of now I will hang on to the remap.

**Syed Zakir Ahamed** · 08-14-2013, 05:26 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Dukers,
I am following this thread closely, and it's been a very long time, that I posted my last one.
@splus : Good to see some positive feedback after the ECU remap(My bad, I wasn't there at that time), Sprocket change & Air filter stuff.
I don't want to be a KABAB MEIN HADDI in this interesting topic, but I do have a query.
Do the Wheel Spin/Wobbling during the Panic Braking will effect the Rim/Fork of the Bike, as these days I am not getting that level of confidence while cornering.

Is the Compression check can be done as a general check?
How to check the status of the Clutch plates(Coz recently had Almost 300km ride with continues 120+)?

Appreciate your suggestions, as next week I have scheduled my 2nd Free Service.

**N E S T O Network** · 08-14-2013, 11:47 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

I just checked the pipercross website and guess what, they don't manufacture any filters for the duke series. I wonder from where the motozone guy is sourcing one.

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Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Bingo!! Thats what I did first after getting off the phone. When Pipercross does not make it, where is this guy sourcing it from? Also, I am very sceptical when someone makes a claim too good to be true.

Anything that sounds too good to be true, I try to stay away from it. Lets see how genuine his claims are. Abhay Bro, I need you on Sunday, lets check this out.

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The Air Filter that Motorzone are surely Selling Pipercross Universal Conical Filter & Not Stock replacement filters (Stock Replacement filters looks exactly like stock air filter but performs differently with more better air filtration)

If you want to confirm..go ahead and have a check..and see what exactly it is.

The Conical Filter Obviously will perform alot as its open and alot of air suction ....that means alot of air breathing for the bike...so you will notice alot of acceleration and initial... noticed on a guys duke...met at the @SVC Ghatkoper . who had it installed..but his oni cons were that after he rode a continues 100kms ENGINE Oil started to spill tru the air filter,which i found was very scary..
So its your call if you just want for city riding..go for it...with a lot of HP Gain. for you initial and acceleration ...any brand of AIR FILTER that supply conical shaped are heck lot better in acceleration than stock replacement.

**abhayshanu** · 08-15-2013, 12:31 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by N E S T O Network View Post

The Air Filter that Motorzone are surely Selling Pipercross Universal Conical Filter & Not Stock replacement filters (Stock Replacement filters looks exactly like stock air filter but performs differently with more better air filtration)

If you want to confirm..go ahead and have a check..and see what exactly it is.

The Conical Filter Obviously will perform alot as its open and alot of air suction ....that means alot of air breathing for the bike...so you will notice alot of acceleration and initial... noticed on a guys duke...met at the @SVC Ghatkoper . who had it installed..but his oni cons were that after he rode a continues 100kms ENGINE Oil started to spill tru the air filter,which i found was very scary..
So its your call if you just want for city riding..go for it...with a lot of HP Gain. for you initial and acceleration ...any brand of AIR FILTER that supply conical shaped are heck lot better in acceleration than stock replacement.

Correct. Also any conical air filter will have oil SEEN on it, stock replacement just don't let us see them. There is alot more pressure and because of that the oil is sucked up to the air filter where as the stock replacement one doesn't have that kind of suction so the oil doesn't reach the Air Filter.

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