Re: KTM 200 Duke

I'm not talking abt maxing out...just giving a blip in normal temperature..
Maybe it depends somehow on the filter I guess which I have a stock one..???




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It's not much of a difference, but yes, a Duke with Kiirus ECU does rev faster and smoother than the stock.

Don't know yet how it revs with different air filter.

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Thanks man was a bit worried by the last reply...!!


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Well projectors were are are designed mainly for Low Beam, not high. The Bi-Xenon projectors of BMWs,Mercs, Audi, etc are pretty costly and are the only ones which can do both. Most projectors are capabilities of just low beam, this was the reason bajaj gave the 220F projector for Low Beam and normal reflector for the High Beam. On the Duke, the headlamp give a really good shape and doesnt need a projector, so going in for a Xenon lamp in the stock housing is good enough. I am using it and give more than enough light. As Xenons require some amount of time to heat up, the pass function is difficult in 2 lamp setup, but with Xenon H4-3 bulbs you have the Low and High Beam on the same bulb as stock so you dont lose the Pass function. For the duke the Projector would be better but IMO not NEEDED, not saying a HID wont perform better with the Projector just that IMO its not NEEDED.


I second you on that. I completely agree. Mine isn't Chinese though, its Taiwanese :P. But seriously yes you are right about that. BUT there are taiwan made products which work for more than 1 year and that is what I aim for, a Xenon to work for 1 year. I have my reasons for it and if someone is wanting me to tell I don't mind, but those are my personal thoughts and experiences and thus my need for 1 year change of bulbs.
Also I agree with you on lower color. My Octavia uses a Xenon bulb of 3000k and a Laura uses 4000k. Now even though my car actually gives more light, the Laura's looks better, much more white and is thus preferred by most. I am using a 5000k which I feel is a perfect white, 4300k IMO is a little yellowish and 6000k is too blueish. The quality of bulb and ballasts used also make a difference though. My kit costed me 2.4k for a pair.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hello everyone,

I have a crack in the left swing arm bolt hole where the bolt to hold the rear mud guard goes. Swing arms are supposed to be the strongest component second only to the frame itself and this has really come to me as a rude shock. I have already written a long mail to KTM on poor quality control. I've also had my fuel gauge fail on me while riding to office. I know how much everyone loves their dukes here and I love mine too but this is just unacceptable to me.

If some of you guys are also running your bike on the pot hole ridden roads with your mud guards, do check the bolts. In all likely hood (and I pray so) none of you will have any problems like I have but in case you do, do share it as probably KTM needs to be made aware of this. Since my bike is only 8 months old, my swing arm will be covered in warranty but all this has really thrown my belief in superior build quality off.

Take care
-Satyam

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Warranty apart, the swing arm is a vital link in the bike's integrity and a failure will definitely result in an accident, endangering your's and others on the road... kindly post a picture of the crack to enable other owners to cross check and prevent an accident, before it happens.

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here you go

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Thank you for the images....
It looks like the swing arm material is made of soft Aluminum casting..hope this does not cause the alignment to go out , over a period of time.
Take up the issue with KTM and ask for a replacement of the entire swing arm.....
The rear sprocket shows early signs of wear..

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you are welcome. I'll keep you updated on how things pan out. Like I mentioned earlier, I've already put in a mail to KTM but they are yet to revert on it. I have not shared the images with them as yet but will do so as and when they ask.

the sprocket is near it's life's end as I have around 9500 Kms on the odo and the sprockets are designed for about 10500-11000 if I am not wrong...

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The chain and sprocket wear depends a lot on Lubrication, tightness, and riding style..still 15~18000 Kms of life can be expected....due to the aggressive nature of KTM power,and gearing I would expect the chain and sprocket to last at least 15 K Kms...if you are gentle ,and take care of proper maintenance,then as high as 19~20 K Kms is possible...

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well, to be honest PSR, with the way things have been going for my bike, I wont be as optimistic as yourself. I hope I am wrong in thinking this way.

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Yeah, this doesn't look good. If this was happening on more bikes then it would definitely be a reason for an alarm.
However, manufacturing defects happen in every bike model, even in far more expensive bikes or cars.

So, don't get disheartened - these things can happen. Bad luck. The positive side is you noticed this in time, and it will be replaced by KTM because it's their manufacturing error.

I'd still suggest you to email those photos to KTM. Picture tells 1000 words. And they'll likely take it much more seriously if there's a photo they can see.
It can also help them investigate it.

Sprockets and chain on Duke last anywhere between 10k and 15k km. Yes, less than average but the pick up isn't average either, so it's understandable...
And that's of course very dependent on riding style and maintenance. Chain will wear off faster if it's tight or if accelerating hard. Ride you Duke as a Splendor and the chain and sprockets will last forever...

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I told you how smooth the Kiirus map makes the duke!! Enjoy!!
I have had the heating problem for some time now. And everytime I went to the svc, I am given the same old boring stupid answers.
The service manager at the Seawoods svc has started to get on my nerves now. This guy would try his best to come up with excuses not to take in your bike, no matter when you call. The svc is always swamped with customers as per him. No matter if it's a weekday or a weekend!!
This one time, I called to check if I can bring my bike as I had an issue , and I was promptly told,as usual, to bring it tomorrow as they had so many bikes to service.
Later that day was on my way to Belapur and decided to pick up a OKS chain spray from the svc. I was shocked to see the mechs lazing around with a lone bike to service.
I asked Rehman and he had not seen anyone bring their bike's in that day and that the day was indeed very lazy.
Not just this, but the this guys also specializes in not heeding to whatever the customer says. To start with the "yes I am listening but I'd anyway say everything is fine because my nut sized brain cannot fathom anything beyond the usual" look. Everytime I go and say that the engine is overheating I hear " Sir fan chal raha hai, engine overheat ho hi nai sakta" When I retort that even after the fan turns on, it takes ages for the temp to come down, I hear " Sir itna time to lagta hi hai".
Add to this his rude tone and you have every reason to hate this guy. Now I am not saying that he's supposed to scratch my behind here, just to be a little receptive.
Pathetic is the word!!
The only saving grace for that svc is the head Mech Rehman! Very good at his work, open to rider inputs and to an extent the infra of the svc which is good.
Some rant this


Hey!! That's some great info man. Thanks a lot. Now that I think of it, this may be the issue, although clogged injectors can't be ruled out. @splus : When you press the engine kill switch on before you ride out in the morning, you'd hear the pump sucking fuel and then stop with a distinct 'tick'/'click' sound.
You better try hearing it in your garage as it'd be difficult picking it up outside with the ambient sound.
It is this 'tick'/'click' sound that I keep on hearing each time the engine misses a beat while on idle. This sound comes with alarming frequency now, it's no more the once in a while event it was!!
The pump costs Rs 2300 btw. So the culprits for the heating problem can now be :
1) Radiator (Don't think so. No leakages, the coolant is as green as it can get)
2) Blockages in Cooling lines( Again not very probable)
3) Lubricant(I use 7100 FS and had it replaced recently. The colour looks ok and quantity is good too, so not probable again)
4) Fuel pump damaged/clogged/whatever
5) Injector clogged
6) dirt in tank caused by Low quality fuel/ water in tank

The last 3 seem to be the most likely causes IMO, although I don't think water is the issue, as the heating problem doesn't come and go with the monsoons!
I am thinking of calling and discussing it with the KTM engineer so that this time I do not hear the usual " sab theek hai yar, gaadi chal rahi hai" non sense.
Also while I am at it, I might later get Engine Ice to replace the Motul coolant. This might help in keeping the temps lower than what they are now.

15 K ..!! psr ji my sprocket and chain were replaced at 9K on odo. Ideally they should have been at 7.5K. And I do lube my chain regularly and adequately with Motul/OKS(Motul mostly)
Truth is most duke parts need replacement rather early, and the reason given is good acceleration, rider's aggressive style. I have had my clutch plates replaced as well.
I personally don't buy this. If you build a bike to be ridden aggressively, you should ensure the parts are of higher quality.Bajaj seems to have a policy of keeping the initial costs low by keeping the quality of the parts decent, not great, so that they recoup the initial losses later as 'consumables/damages'.

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Thanks for boosting my morale a bit splus. It is nice that all you guys are taking note of my issue and have been supportive. My actual concern was indeed over this being a design flaw. Hopefully it may not be the case after all. I also assume the sprocket life to be around as much as what you've suggested although if I see my parts perform the way PSR's suggested it would be awesome.

I just got a mail from their customer department asking for details on vehicle registration and my cell number.

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My heating problems started because I left my bike for 2 months with half tank petrol inside.
After it I noticed it was heating more than in April, but also that the pump was making much stronger noise, whining, as if it was struggling all the time.
Haven't really paid attention if there were some tick/click sounds, but I can clearly hear the pump is louder, struggling sound, when engine is working.
At the service I changed the engine oil and replaced the fuel filter (which was apparently very dirty) and mechanics said they cleaned the FI. But the heating problem remained.
So, I guess it MUST be the fuel pump.
Rs 2300?? Ouch. Well OK, what to do...

I'm not so sure it's "just" lower quality. These bikes get exported all around the world, and KTM can't afford to have a bad name in regard to quality. And in Europe people are used to much higher quality than we are.
The thing is that KTM can't afford to put a 600 cc quality parts on a 200 cc bike.
The bigger and more expensive bike it is - the more expensive and more frequent replacements are. Nothing lasts very long on very powerful bikes.
Duke 200 is still a small bike, but for 200 cc it has a strong pull, so some parts like chain and sprockets will definitely suffer more.

It is as it is - we all know some parts need to be replaced more often. But still - if I compare the prices of for example CBR250 spares and Duke 200 spares - I feel happy I own a Duke. And it's not really that quality of Honda spares is something amazing compared to KTM spares...