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**DukeDey** · 08-28-2013, 02:25 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

I feel philips extreme vision is not very appropriate for guys who ride a lot in city as last week i installed extreme vision on my duke and i immediately realized that extreme visions beam n visibility is much better than stock duke 200 bulbs.Extreme vision is of great use on highways where there is no street light and lights of other vehicles are also less, but in city where there is street light n light of other vehicles the yellow light of extreme vision gets sumwat lost and is not very effective. I feel the bluish-whitish light will do a good job in city as ystd night when i was returning back from office on my duke there was a honda unicorn which was moving exactly next to me and it had that typical whitish/bluish light n i realized that the visibility which were offered by his lights were much more than mine. So i feel those bluish/whitish lights are more practical for our daily night rides. So i am planning to install the philips diamond vision 2moro, am i doing the right thing???? pleaze guys do reply Originally Posted by splus
I know many people like bluish lights, but I wouldn't agree the actual light is stronger.
In fact, yes, the light is "stronger", but the visibility is not.

You can get one of those bluish led flashlights (not white like LED light on smartphones, but bluish) and compare them with warm white ones. The bluish light will be blinding if you point it to your eyes, it's a very strong light beam. It feels like a much stronger "light source". However, what you will be able to see in front of your eyes when you compare the two, is that the warm white will give better visibility to our eyes, you will be able to see more than with bluish light.

The reason is simple - our eyes are used to see best with sunlight, which is warm white. If we, the humanity, spend next several hundreds/thousands of years mostly in neon lights environment then our genes and eyes will get used to that light and work best with bluish light.
However, at the moment, it's for a very good reason why all stock lights come at that temperature.

In short - bluish light will feel stronger, and maybe it is, but the visibility it gives is actually weaker than a warm white light.

Colour temperature is measured in Kelvin.

Remember ... Clarity not Glare ..

So guys what should i exactly go for????? would philips diamond vision be the best option as it produces white light at 5000k and is also of the same voltage rating as the stock duke of 12v 60/55w,so that way even dukes warranty wont get void or should i go for something more powerful lyk HID n if yes then where can i exactly source it from in mumbai

Go for xtreme vision, no questions asked.
Forget about the rest. City lights would only absorb the yellowish white light when it is more powerful than the headlights intensity, in that case headlights won't do much whether its blue or white light. You have enough light in this case to ride, while at other times your headlight would serve you.

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**sanjana k** · 08-28-2013, 02:30 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

Go for xtreme vision, no questions asked.
Forget about the rest. City lights would only absorb the yellowish white light when it is more powerful than the headlights intensity, in that case headlights won't do much whether its blue or white light. You have enough light in this case to ride, while at other times your headlight would serve you.

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I did go for extreme vision but its of no great help as the difference wasnt much from stock duke lights in city. Extreme vision performs better than stock lights only in completely dark areas but in city where there is yellow light of other veichles and yellow street light,the yellow light of extreme vision definitely gets sumwat lost. Guys plzzz i do need something more powerful mostly in white color. Cost is not a concern as most of my riding is during night time and bcoz of bad headlights i have almost lost my life 2-3 times. Plzzzz help

**DukeDey** · 08-28-2013, 02:34 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

I did go for extreme vision but its of no great help. The difference wasnt much from stock duke lights as with extreme vision too i was having great trouble riding in city

In that case go for a projector setup, would guide the beam to a particular spot and uses the available light much better. Projector would be way better than blueish white lights.

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**splus** · 08-28-2013, 03:23 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

I did go for extreme vision but its of no great help as the difference wasnt much from stock duke lights in city. Extreme vision performs better than stock lights only in completely dark areas but in city where there is yellow light of other veichles and yellow street light,the yellow light of extreme vision definitely gets sumwat lost. Guys plzzz i do need something more powerful mostly in white color. Cost is not a concern as most of my riding is during night time and bcoz of bad headlights i have almost lost my life 2-3 times. Plzzzz help

I don't understand you. I read that previous comment about Phillips Xtreme Vision and city usage, and I TOTALLY disagree with that.
How can it be great in roads and be bad in city??

I started to pay attention when I was in a city (just because of that comment) and in one moment it did look as if Phillips doesn't give much light. But then I looked more carefully and realized that the stock bulb in low beam kinda cuts the spread and you can see where it throws the light and where it doesn't.
But Phillips throws the light everywhere in front of you equally! So you don't exactly see where the light cuts out.
And that's when I just turned off the lights (in a well lit city area), and man, what a difference - the road in front of me became much darker.
To sum it up - it "looked" as if it doesn't give much light, but it actually gives much more light than stock bulb.

I also had a road trip day before yesterday for more than an hour in dark, and wow, Phillips bulb made an night ride actually possible. With stock light I would be struggling much more.

With Phillips high beam you're blinding the oncoming traffic much more than with stock, but the high beam is much stronger than low.
And that's where I realized the projector would be the best option - to have the high beam light into a focused area that points only to the road in front of me.

Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

In that case go for a projector setup, would guide the beam to a particular spot and uses the available light much better. Projector would be way better than blueish white lights.

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So, to continue - any input about projectors on Duke? I really have no idea what's required to install the projector.
What does it involve? Any modifications to the headlight assembly? What about the pass light?

I don't need any high beam light (beside the pass light), but it would be awesome if I could direct all that high beam light into a focused, narrow beam onto the road up to some 100m in front of me.

**Aditya N Bharadwaj** · 08-28-2013, 09:19 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

Yeah, OK... Makes sense.
So, what do you think, if 40T makes more sense than 42T for Duke? I'm now on 43T, which is even shorter than 39/13!
Does your bike now feel little too tall with stock gearing?

If my chain needs replacement I'll go soon to buy a new set, and then either get Karizma's 40T or fit the stock 42T...

Someone recently posted that Suzuki 150 from first lot has 41T sprocket. But not sure if it would match...

Yes, for the stock power, i.e 23.5 Whp, the bike deserves slight undergearing to realise the true accelerating potential. But now I have a list of mods on my mind which should bump up the power by around 10-15%. Considering that, 39/14 should serve perfectly.
Try looking for 41T rear.

**DukeDey** · 08-28-2013, 09:37 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

I don't understand you. I read that previous comment about Phillips Xtreme Vision and city usage, and I TOTALLY disagree with that.
How can it be great in roads and be bad in city??

I started to pay attention when I was in a city (just because of that comment) and in one moment it did look as if Phillips doesn't give much light. But then I looked more carefully and realized that the stock bulb in low beam kinda cuts the spread and you can see where it throws the light and where it doesn't.
But Phillips throws the light everywhere in front of you equally! So you don't exactly see where the light cuts out.
And that's when I just turned off the lights (in a well lit city area), and man, what a difference - the road in front of me became much darker.
To sum it up - it "looked" as if it doesn't give much light, but it actually gives much more light than stock bulb.

I also had a road trip day before yesterday for more than an hour in dark, and wow, Phillips bulb made an night ride actually possible. With stock light I would be struggling much more.

With Phillips high beam you're blinding the oncoming traffic much more than with stock, but the high beam is much stronger than low.
And that's where I realized the projector would be the best option - to have the high beam light into a focused area that points only to the road in front of me.

So, to continue - any input about projectors on Duke? I really have no idea what's required to install the projector.
What does it involve? Any modifications to the headlight assembly? What about the pass light?

I don't need any high beam light (beside the pass light), but it would be awesome if I could direct all that high beam light into a focused, narrow beam onto the road up to some 100m in front of me.

We do get bi-xenon projectors in the market(for both high and low beam). You can use it with your existing philips xtreme vision. This way there would be no touching the stock electricals.
Projector installation can be a DIY job, go through videos on youtube.
Get a bi-xenon projector from the market, you would have to disassemble your headlight. Heat it in an oven or using some other source. The glass would come off. Then the projector has mounting brackets that fit right where your existing h4 setup is. It has provision to use the existing wiring for the headlights. Once you fit it just install the philips bulb. And reseal the glass. It takes a little patience but would be worth the work you do.
The high beam would be exactly the way you want, focused on a spot straight ahead, low beam would be a widespread focused beam and your dipper/pass would work normally.

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**splus** · 08-28-2013, 01:34 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

We do get bi-xenon projectors in the market(for both high and low beam). You can use it with your existing philips xtreme vision. This way there would be no touching the stock electricals.
Projector installation can be a DIY job, go through videos on youtube.
Get a bi-xenon projector from the market, you would have to disassemble your headlight. Heat it in an oven or using some other source. The glass would come off. Then the projector has mounting brackets that fit right where your existing h4 setup is. It has provision to use the existing wiring for the headlights. Once you fit it just install the philips bulb. And reseal the glass. It takes a little patience but would be worth the work you do.
The high beam would be exactly the way you want, focused on a spot straight ahead, low beam would be a widespread focused beam and your dipper/pass would work normally.

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That sounds great! Thank you.
Ideally, I'd like to have a high beam light put down as a low beam, but that goes some 100m ahead.
Current high beam gives good visibility but throws light everywhere around as well, blinding oncoming vehicles.

Would the high beam in such a projector blind the oncoming traffic as well, or is it really efficiently focused downwards onto the road without any light escaping to sides and up?

Because if the projector low beam is wide spread then again it isn't adequate for good visibility.

Or is the one projector setup in fact just that, the high beam light focused slightly lower than the normal high beam?

Damn, if I would have a strong focused light that throws the light onto the road, some 100 m ahead, without throwing light upwards and to the sides (not blinding anyone) then maybe I'd be ready to sacrifice the pass light...

Would then the low and high light give completely same intensity and spread, in case of one projector?
Or the intensity would be different, but spread the same?

Sorry for so many questions, I'm trying to find the best setup for easy night rides without giving anyone else a headache...

**Edd** · 08-28-2013, 01:41 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Rode the Duke after almost 4 months of idling in the garage (due to rains). It sounded so loud, also, upon reaching office I could feel my hands and legs adjusting to the bike's vibrations after getting off the bike. Does it really vibrate so much?

**dishayu** · 08-28-2013, 02:52 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Got my bike serviced this past weekend. I have no idea what they've done to the bike but dem downshifts feel amazing now. The bike feels a lot more stable and smoother while hard downshifts. Anyone has any idea why this could be? Is there a new engine map or something?

**shv18** · 08-28-2013, 03:04 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Edd View Post

Rode the Duke after almost 4 months of idling in the garage (due to rains). It sounded so loud, also, upon reaching office I could feel my hands and legs adjusting to the bike's vibrations after getting off the bike. Does it really vibrate so much?

Take her for a service... get rid of the old oil.. and see.

Cheers,

**Chethan Shivakumar** · 08-28-2013, 04:08 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

I did go for extreme vision but its of no great help as the difference wasnt much from stock duke lights in city. Extreme vision performs better than stock lights only in completely dark areas but in city where there is yellow light of other veichles and yellow street light,the yellow light of extreme vision definitely gets sumwat lost. Guys plzzz i do need something more powerful mostly in white color. Cost is not a concern as most of my riding is during night time and bcoz of bad headlights i have almost lost my life 2-3 times. Plzzzz help

I too have the Philips Xtreme vision on my D200 but like you said i couldnt find much difference in the city with the brighter yellow street lights but you can make out the difference when you switch off your HL. You ll notice that the surrounding is much darker without your lights. This is a good bulb if your looking at stock replacement for a little more brightness, if you need really good ones dont look further than a nice projector set up. These are the best if you always use your bike in the night.

Originally posted by splus View Post

I started to pay attention when I was in a city (just because of that comment) and in one moment it did look as if Phillips doesn't give much light. But then I looked more carefully and realized that the stock bulb in low beam kinda cuts the spread and you can see where it throws the light and where it doesn't.
But Phillips throws the light everywhere in front of you equally! So you don't exactly see where the light cuts out.
And that's when I just turned off the lights (in a well lit city area), and man, what a difference - the road in front of me became much darker.
To sum it up - it "looked" as if it doesn't give much light, but it actually gives much more light than stock bulb.

Totally agree to this ..

**DukeDey** · 08-28-2013, 04:25 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

That sounds great! Thank you.
Ideally, I'd like to have a high beam light put down as a low beam, but that goes some 100m ahead.
Current high beam gives good visibility but throws light everywhere around as well, blinding oncoming vehicles.

Would the high beam in such a projector blind the oncoming traffic as well, or is it really efficiently focused downwards onto the road without any light escaping to sides and up?

Because if the projector low beam is wide spread then again it isn't adequate for good visibility.

Or is the one projector setup in fact just that, the high beam light focused slightly lower than the normal high beam?

Damn, if I would have a strong focused light that throws the light onto the road, some 100 m ahead, without throwing light upwards and to the sides (not blinding anyone) then maybe I'd be ready to sacrifice the pass light...

Would then the low and high light give completely same intensity and spread, in case of one projector?
Or the intensity would be different, but spread the same?

Sorry for so many questions, I'm trying to find the best setup for easy night rides without giving anyone else a headache...

Man these many questions?

Even I don't have the answers to all as I have used only one projector till date that to was not a very expensive one but was a bi-xenon. So the bad news here is you are expecting a bit too much from the projector lamps. The high beam would be focused better than the stock but some light would still hit the oncoming traffic and would hit them hard. The low beam on the other hand is very efficient and the beam is a triangle that starts right from the bikes headlamp and spreads really wide and long. The visibility would not be 100metres but expect around 50 meteres, that is with the low beam. The low beam and the high beam pattern on such projectors are completely different and the intensity depends on that of the bulbs.
You can use a normal halogen H4 bulb(Good ones like philips xtreme vision) or very good 4300k HIDs from philips depending on your budget. You wont be loosing your pass feature on either of them as the bulb would function normally just that its light would pass through a very good lens and in case of the HID once it heats up you can use the pass feature like in a normal bulb.

The better, more expensive projectors may work even better. I was happy with the setup I used, that was with a normal H4 osram Night Breaker housed in a projector.

**Syed Zakir Ahamed** · 08-28-2013, 06:39 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Guys! Did you see this? Our Upcoming Beast in Action.

Mouth Watering Stuff.

**splus** · 08-29-2013, 03:02 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by DukeDey View Post

Man these many questions?

Even I don't have the answers to all as I have used only one projector till date that to was not a very expensive one but was a bi-xenon. So the bad news here is you are expecting a bit too much from the projector lamps. The high beam would be focused better than the stock but some light would still hit the oncoming traffic and would hit them hard. The low beam on the other hand is very efficient and the beam is a triangle that starts right from the bikes headlamp and spreads really wide and long. The visibility would not be 100metres but expect around 50 meteres, that is with the low beam. The low beam and the high beam pattern on such projectors are completely different and the intensity depends on that of the bulbs.
You can use a normal halogen H4 bulb(Good ones like philips xtreme vision) or very good 4300k HIDs from philips depending on your budget. You wont be loosing your pass feature on either of them as the bulb would function normally just that its light would pass through a very good lens and in case of the HID once it heats up you can use the pass feature like in a normal bulb.

The better, more expensive projectors may work even better. I was happy with the setup I used, that was with a normal H4 osram Night Breaker housed in a projector.

OK, thanks for the reply! That makes it clearer.
But here's some more questions, and I hope this benefits some more owners, not just me.

Well, if high and low beams are quite different, then how does a single projector setup fare? Would that be a better solution, if we sacrifice the pass light?

How would you compare the ordinary HL high beam to a low beam projector, both with same bulb? Which one gives more light on the road in front?

I hope you understand what kind of headlight setup I'm trying to find - Ideally, I'd like to have a low beam that's strong enough and spreads light little longer, enough for 70-90 kmh speed, without going too high to blind the oncoming traffic.

The high beams usually give a good light onto the road ahead, but they are too high and blind the oncoming traffic.
The low beams don't blind the oncoming traffic, but they are usually much weaker with too much light going sideways instead of straight ahead.

Originally posted by Syed Zakir Ahamed View Post

Guys! Did you see this? Our Upcoming Beast in Action.

Mouth Watering Stuff.

Haha, it was really mouth watering.
Although, you can't help but notice how BMW is holding back, just so it can hold the SD1290 in its camera. BMW's 195 horses in a 1000 cc race bike is still much more power than the second best!
Just a week ago I told a friend of mine (who owned a first Ninja ZX10 when it just came out 25 years ago) about the current king, BMW S 1000RR and its 195 hp, and he couldn't sleep all night after that, just thinking about all that power...

But SuperDuke 1290 will be for sure a mega hit when it comes out in December! Man, it looks like every biker's dream! Pure fantasy... Sexy orange power embodied.

**anand.k.subramanyam** · 08-29-2013, 06:56 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi guys , my first post in this forum . Finally got my duke - white on 23 august , bought from popular motors at mekri circle , bangalore .
6 days have passed and 250 km covered . My experience till now .

Pros :
-Got a brand new bike with less than 200m on the odo , all my other bikes had done atleat 10-15 km before delivery
-Still a head turner and conversation starter even after 1.5 yrs of its launch .
-Absolute treat in the city traffic - easy to zip through traffic even though i have been taking it easy during my runnin period, not revving beyond 5500rpm .
-Bike is returning a mileage of around 38kmpl in the city .
-Also got the vote of approval from my mom - who travelled as pillion for 30+ km in the city and found the rear seat and suspension actually to her liking .

Cons:
-On delivery the bikes owner manual has not been given to me - stating some problem with its despatch from pune
-Hard seats compared to the ones i have in my fiero - shall give it some time to soften up to my liking
-Noticed on the 3rd day that one of the screw on the right panel was missing - had fallen off during my ride of 3 days ???

-Had taken it out in heavy rains on monday , after which the bikes chain has been making a constant whining sound .
-took the bike to svc at mekri circle - where the screw was replaced , chain was lubed - but also he reset my service distance on my speedo - which is now showing that the next service is at 5000km . Even after this the sound from chain eventhough has reduced is still very much noticable . Shall return to the svc on friday and speak to Jefin about this .
Is it the chain that is loose , or just not properly lubed - dont know

Apart from this still soaking in the new experience from my bike and shall keep you guys updated . Thanks guys for helping me making up my mind about owning this bike .

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