Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi guys,

My duke 200 is now almost 5 months old, and for 2017 models 2nd interval period is due either for 7500 km odo or 150 days(whichever is less).my odo is now approx 3200 km .so do I need to change the engine oil considering the engine oil was topped up after 1000 km during first service.....????

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Oil change in my eyes completely depends on the Rider and his riding style, I change oil on any bike based on smell, oil level, viscosity and colour.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thanks for the info, Sir!

Re: KTM 200 Duke

The fuel pump primes everytime. Whether you turn off the ignition and back on. And even you flip the kill switch. The purpose of the kill switch is to quickly cut off the fuel pump and hence the fuel supply to engine (i.e without taking your hand off the bars)
So yeah, the pump primes (i.e. turns on) every time irrespective of whether you turn the ignition off via the key or the kill switch !! E.g. If your ignition is ON and you flip the kill switch off and back on.. the fuel pump will prime.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

You sure about this Sid? I've known bikes that prime fuel pump each time using kill switch, but I've personally observed this in the Duke wherein immediately after switching off and via kill switch and turning on the bike doesn't prime the pump, except the dash. Kill switch is not used to cut the power to the fuel pump, rather it's the ignition that gets cut. Kill switches work by grounding the power sent to the ignition coil, but not cutting power to fuel pump.

Cheers!
VJ

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Yep, i ride the duke everyday. and the kill switch only cuts off the fuel pump.
With the ignition ON, and the kill switch enabled.. you will still be able to push the starter and hear the engine crank, but it wont start.. also the indicators/break lights will continue to work. Only the fuel is not pushed out. That's the primary purpose of the kill switch.. to shut off the fuel pump. And when you flip it back on, the fuel pump starts up (primes again).

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Ok so finally went in for a long over due service. The bike was last serviced end Sep 2016.. So it's been 1 yr 2 months without a service. All earlier services were religiously carried out every 4 months with an oil change every time. The past year I haven't ridden much (only 5800km) due to a injury and the bike wasn't used much for around 3 months (just started and short spins).
So I went in and got the following done:
1. Oil change (wanted to try the Shell Ultra 15w50). Turned out I had only 1 litre of the Shell and some left over motul 7100. So ended up with 1 litre shell and 400ml motul . Running on the combo. Initial impression feels good and crisp.
2. The usual filter kit change (air,oil,fuel)
3. Spark plug (the current plug has probably done around 15k km). Preventive maintenance.. keeping the used plug as a spare.

4. Fork oil change (seals were intact, just wanted the fluid replaced since the bike is now 3yrs old). Again Preventive maintenance.
5. Brake fluid change (complete drain and refill) on both front and rear. Again since it was 3yrs old. The drained fluid looked normal, no gunk/cloudiness etc.
6. Front tire - Changed to MRF REVZ-FC1 (got it for Rs.2700 from an authorized exclusive mrf dealer)
And then the usual, clutch cable adjustment, chain clean/lube and connecting the diag tool to check for any error codes (none, still cleared the dtc).

While at the svc, I took a closer look at the new D200 and out of curiosity pulled in the clutch and i went WOAAH.. it was like hot knife thru butter . Upon closer inspection, I noticed that ktm has redesigned the clutch release lever and its position (it is now in the center of the clutch case, whearas earlier it was towards the back). Also the engine mount supports (Y shaped thingys) have been redesigned. Check out the pics below.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Yes, but any bike will not crank even when there is no igntion too. We'll talk about it in person, sometime. But, I've known for sure that from my experience, the Duke doesn't always prime the fuel pump. There have been many instances wherein, with ignition ON and kill switch turned off or on simultaneously, the pump doesn't prime, yet fires up with no problems. But if the bike isn't started for say more than five minutes or something, it does prime once the ignition is turned on. If the pump recognizes if there's enough pressure then it doesn't pressurize the system and pressurizes as necessary.

Even my car does the same when I turn the ignition ON, I can hear a mild whizz, when I turn the igntion off and on, twice in succession, but the third time I turn the ignition on, the pump doesn't prime, yet she starts like a puppy.

Probably you haven't observed this feature. Check this video out, in this case a 200



In this instance check out this 390 where it stalls, the engine switch is flipped off and on and nopes the pump doesn't prime.



Cheers!
VJ

Re: KTM 200 Duke

VJ, even for me from the past 4.11 yrs of owing a 200D, ever single time irrespective of turning ignition key on/off and/or Flipping engine kill switch on/off will definitely prime the fuel pump. Had noticed this from day one to this very day.

P.S: still running on stock pump.

Cheers
Srvn

Re: KTM 200 Duke

it primes bro, just that it's not audible in that video.
if you switch on and off the ignition (using key) a few times continuously, the 'sound' the pump makes is not as loud as it would be like say the first time you flip it on.
same goes for the operation via kill switch. keeping the ignition 'on' and then flipping the kill switch always turns off the pump and back on(along with the console). and with ignition on and kill switch off, the console stays 'off' but the turn on the indicators and they light up along with their indication in the console.

duke owners can try this themselves.. hopefully it isn't my bike or hearing that's gone crazy


And coming down to these service centers .. turds only know two words 'saar replacement' for everything, and so effing lazy to carry out the work paid for, i literally had to argue with them to get the fork and brake fluids changed.. one of the service chaps comes up to me and says 'saar if you replace just the fluid the seals will fail' !! I shot back 'don't tell me nonsense, ok if i change the seals now will you give me 2 yrs warranty and replace it if it fails?' to which he made that embarrassed face and walked away. and they wanted to replace my rearset because my side stand was lose!

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Exact same behaviour, every single time.

Cheers
Srvn

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If that's the case, there's something wrong with my bike, because sometimes when I just hit the Kill-Switch and then flick it back on within like a minute or two, I can't hear the fuel pump, and when that happens, I feel like my bike's gonna blow something if I crank it, so I switch it off from the key, and then switch it back on, and then after the pump primes, I crank it up!

Re: KTM 200 Duke

S1d, that's true. Though the first time, the bike gives a prominent FI prime sound and post that you only hear a very faint whizz every time you start, and that faint sound too is audible. Not to beat a dead horse, just as to know if it's the same or it's just a feature that people haven't noticed or have I understood it differently w.r.t to the kill switch. Just in case, check out this video.




Replace the rearsets because your side stand was loose.

Cheers!
VJ

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Need a good mechanic in Ludhiana or Jalandhar, Punjab who works on Ktm/200ns/rs etc. Please suggest

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hello guys. I own a 2017 Duke 200. I have done 4.7k kms as of now. The only issue I am facing right now is the chain noise. I have shown it to the SVC number of times and they said it's coz of inadequate lubing. I use motul chain lube. I had them clean the chain and lubed it and the noise was gone for the initial 200 km. The noise came back after that. Now it's very irritating and I do not enjoy the ride quality because of this. I make it a point I lube the chain every 500kms. But the noise persist. One guy from the SVC said it's the chain hitting the swing arm and nothing can be done. Anyone has any solution for this?

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Does it make a 'tak tak' noise at low speeds (like below 30kmph) and once you hit higher speeds its gone ?
Get the chain slack adjusted to spec, and also check the front sprocket to ensure it's two bolts and properly tightened. Make sure the chain adjusters positions on both sides of the swingarm are at the same position. And if you weigh more than 75kg (or frequently carry a pillion), bump up the rear suspension preload by around 2 or 3 notches up.

I had the chain noise (tak tak noise at very low speeds) develop at around 28k km (stock chain sprocket kit). The front sprocket was worn, the rear was ok and the chain though had enough adjustment left. So picked up the P220 front sprocket for Rs.140 and replaced just the front sprocket and got the chain cleaned and adjusted back to spec. No more noise. Currently at 30k + km with only the front sprocket replaced . And btw, 70% of my clean/lube was done using used engine oil or a combination of water wash+used engine oil. The rest of the time I mostly used nulon grease spray (very useful in the wet or on long rides) and rolon chain spray.