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  • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

    Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post
    manufacturer says FS and you going the mineral oil way? does it make sense? i can vote, when one chooses better oil than what manufacturer says.
    Please read the quote below. Moreover the recommendation in the manual is only for the grade. The brand recommendation is a small sticker in the manual. I refuse to believe that the only reason Bajaj recommends Motul FS 7100 or better is cuz of performance and that there is no other oil in India that does as well if not better than the 7100.
    I refuse to blindly follow what people believe that the manufacturer “recommends”.
    Originally posted by vidhya View Post
    I changed the oil to Motul 3000 15W50 mineral oil...15w50 is the grade recommended in online pdf version of owner manual. But when I got the bike, printed version of manual has a sticker stating that recommended grade is 10w50...Anyways, i'm running it on 15 w 50 mineral oil for now,,,...will move to fully synthetic 10w50 after 2.5k Kms...

    Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post
    Going by KTM/BAJAJ's attitude, I am also considering the after-sales part. When these guys are not even committed on delivering the bikes within 90 days, how can I trust that the bikes and their accessories are good enough. Should I wait for sometime and see if things improve and then buy it... thats the dilemma I am facing.
    Many of us have overlooked the fact that the booking agreement says “minimum 90 days”. Although I do not support the apathy of the dealers, doubting the quality of the product based on that frustration seems baseless. I waited for 80 days before I got mine. I called the dealer’s phone every week and followed up. Waiting is worth it, is all I can say.

    Originally posted by vidhya View Post
    Today got a chance to ride my bike on some corners and turns.... Had an OMG moment while taking a corner and almost ended up with a lowside crash....

    As the highway was almost deserted for most part, took courage and overtook a truck on a blind corner [which I should not have done in the first place] and opposite came a tata sumo.. To avoid crashing into it, increased my speed and applied front brake to reduce the speed as soon as I crossed the truck [I'm still in the middle of the corner]....My front wheel skid for almost a feet, my heart skipped many beats, released the front brake immediately and the front tyre stuck to it's line....PHeewwww....thanks to Metzeler, I really doubt front wheel recovery from the skid [infront of a truck] had it been any other tyre...I'm not sure if ABS played a part in ti too during the recovery....anyways thanks to Metzeller and ABS....:-)
    Ride safe buddy. Cheers!
    Originally posted by rohitsapru View Post
    Motul 3000 4T Plus 20W40 - mineral
    Motul 5100 4T 15w50 - semi synthetic

    Which one did you use?

    Edit: Motul 3000 comes in 15W50 mineral too ?
    Yes M3000 is available in 15w50, mineral of course.

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    • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

      Originally posted by krashnburn View Post
      I refuse to blindly follow what people believe that the manufacturer “recommends”.

      Yes M3000 is available in 15w50, mineral of course.

      as per my experience many people have said to go by manufacturer. i too agree we need not stick to brand, but same or better grade and type also, ie, mineral or synthetic. I have not yet got bike. waiting... BTW all say it comes with FS from factory itself.

      if it got FS then why you going for mineral yar?
      I'm a responsible rider.It doesn't matter what you ride,but what matters is how you ride.

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      • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

        Originally posted by krashnburn View Post
        Please read the quote below. Moreover the recommendation in the manual is only for the grade. The brand recommendation is a small sticker in the manual. I refuse to believe that the only reason Bajaj recommends Motul FS 7100 or better is cuz of performance and that there is no other oil in India that does as well if not better than the 7100.
        I refuse to blindly follow what people believe that the manufacturer “recommends”.
        That is all correct, but, if you want to get the full benefit of mineral then shouldn't you have changed the oil when you got the bike? As, from what I have read, mineral oil is used so that in the initial runs (the first 100 or so kms) engine parts are able to mesh together properly. For this to happen heat, pressure, wear, etc are all needed, and since fully synthetic oil does not allow these factors, the engine does not break in fully. If this is the reason you want to change to mineral, then wouldn't it be better if you had done so from the start.
        Lastly, I have read that the engines now being created for high performance bikes do not need this engine meshing.
        Please realize that I am genuinely interested in the answer and not testing your knowledge. Anyone who has expertise in the engine area can give an answer.




        Many of us have overlooked the fact that the booking agreement says “minimum 90 days”. Although I do not support the apathy of the dealers, doubting the quality of the product based on that frustration seems baseless. I waited for 80 days before I got mine. I called the dealer’s phone every week and followed up. Waiting is worth it, is all I can say.
        True, sadly I know that its an awesome machine and thats why I am haging onto the booking. In fact I checked the launch of n650, n300r etc and have come to realize that in all these cases too the deliveries were delayed beyond the promised date. But thanks anyway for re-enforcing the trust on the bike.

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        • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

          Originally posted by Legend Racer View Post
          as per my experience many people have said to go by manufacturer. i too agree we need not stick to brand, but same or better grade and type also, ie, mineral or synthetic. I have not yet got bike. waiting... BTW all say it comes with FS from factory itself.

          if it got FS then why you going for mineral yar?


          This information that it comes with FS from the factory is not conclusive. Everyone is just speculating on this matter. The lead engineer at 2 KTM service centers (Kasturbha Road and BTM Layout, Bangalore) have confirmed that the bike comes with Bajaj’s own oil (can’t recall the name).

          I don’t want to shoot down the suggestions you are getting from the people you know. However just like the theory of running in the bike as per the manufacturer’s recommendations, and how counterproductive it can turn out to be, I also believe that switching to FS early on may not be advisable. At least in theory, the logic is very sound against it.

          Google for Motoman engine break in. You don’t have to follow anything that he says but do give the idea a thought and also what he has to say about the use of oil… and yes I know we are not running Nikasil cylinder components.

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          Originally posted by AmitRavi07 View Post
          That is all correct, but, if you want to get the full benefit of mineral then shouldn't you have changed the oil when you got the bike? As, from what I have read, mineral oil is used so that in the initial runs (the first 100 or so kms) engine parts are able to mesh together properly. For this to happen heat, pressure, wear, etc are all needed, and since fully synthetic oil does not allow these factors, the engine does not break in fully. If this is the reason you want to change to mineral, then wouldn't it be better if you had done so from the start.
          Lastly, I have read that the engines now being created for high performance bikes do not need this engine meshing.
          Please realize that I am genuinely interested in the answer and not testing your knowledge. Anyone who has expertise in the engine area can give an answer.

          True, sadly I know that its an awesome machine and thats why I am haging onto the booking. In fact I checked the launch of n650, n300r etc and have come to realize that in all these cases too the deliveries were delayed beyond the promised date. But thanks anyway for re-enforcing the trust on the bike.
          You are absolutely right that the change should have happened earlier if the bike came with FS. Unfortunately due to lack of time and the schedules I work, I was unable to accomplish this for the piston rings sealing part. The only hope I had was that the KTM engineers (as mentioned in the previous post) were knowledgeable that the bike came with mineral oil (Bajaj's). Hence the only change according to me is that I had an intermittent oil change from one brand to another (Bajaj to Motul) and the type - mineral - remained the same. I still hope the rest of parts attain synergy since I intend to use mineral oil at least for 3k - 5k kms. Fingers crossed

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          • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

            Hence the only change according to me is that I had an intermittent oil change from one brand to another (Bajaj to Motul) and the type - mineral - remained the same.
            This is assuming that bike initially came with mineral oil. i think duke 200 use to come with some bajaj 10000 engine oil which was not mineral. Did you use a flush while changing the oil to be safe? what i have heard is when changing from one synthetic to mineral and vice versa, we need to use a flush, else if effects the engine adversely. ALso, how did you change the oil filter? is it available at ASS as spares?

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            • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

              let me see what they got at ASS. then i will search outside.
              I'm a responsible rider.It doesn't matter what you ride,but what matters is how you ride.

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              • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                Bigger KTMs use Motorex Cobra oil from the factory for initial run-in, It is a run-in specific oil. I believe Smaller dukes also come with Mineral oil from factory. This helps keep manufacturing costs low and help run-in the engine. Run mineral oil till atleast 2nd service and ur bike will sing for many kms .
                Street racing is for Squids trying to make up for their small equipment

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                • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                  Finally some good discussion on this thread!

                  I believe the Bajaj DTSi 10000 oil is manufactured by HP (found from Google). But I could not find on HP website whether it mineral or semi-synthetic or fully-synthetic. Anybody who has visited Bajaj service centre could confirm this?

                  D200 owners: [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] / [MENTION=63586]DukeDey[/MENTION] / [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] : what is your advice regarding changing the engine oil before 1st service?

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                  • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                    I completed 200 KMs with the oil that came from facory, 300 KMs more on 7100, changed it and did the final 500 KMs on Motul 7100. Abhimanyu31, had given a good explanation some where about running in using Synthetic Oil. I followed it, and I am happy with the performance.

                    Also, I did not restrict the bike to certain rpm while running in, I just rode the bike like I do normally, no special care.

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                      • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                        Originally posted by rohitsapru View Post
                        Finally some good discussion on this thread!

                        I believe the Bajaj DTSi 10000 oil is manufactured by HP (found from Google). But I could not find on HP website whether it mineral or semi-synthetic or fully-synthetic. Anybody who has visited Bajaj service centre could confirm this?

                        D200 owners: @chinmayakar / @DukeDey / @splus : what is your advice regarding changing the engine oil before 1st service?
                        Well this whole concept of breaking in with mineral oil is just way too hyped. This might have been the case with old gen engines but modern day close tolerance engines don't need anything like this. Further more the newer mineral oils are way better and almost as close to synthetic oils in terms of lubrication, only thing is they last less and their bonds give up under sustained high speed runs.

                        I'll talk simple physics whatever. Engine oils primary purpose is to lube the cylinder walls, keeping the friction and heat as less as possible. So people talking about glazing and all, just forget it. Its not that the piston rings grind with the cylinder walls and then take the perfect shape to get a good seal, this would lead to a scratched cylinder wall if it was happening. A lot depends on other factors too and its simply the way the piston rings are loaded in the initial runs decide how good or bad the seal is. And a lot of it depends on luck too, I have seen some bikes baing babied in their initial days only to suffer huge performance loss or early failures. Just ride it normally taking your bike to higher rpms at times in all gears without sustained high rpm or constant rpm runs. Also use engine braking as much as possible. All the parts need to get used to not just acceleration forces but also deceleration forces and should start working in synergy.

                        Another point supporting me is why would the manufacturer coat their engines with dialsil or nikasil. It is very hard but is also very smooth. If abrasion was a desired property during the run-in this would have never been done. My point is simple just ride with any oil possible and take care of the change interval. Early first oil change is desirable as the debris from all the components would be in that oil, subsequent oil changes depend on how you ride and which oil you use. Proper loading of the engine is the key factor during a break-in. Not too hard, nor too easy. The break in, remember, is not just about the cylinder walls or the piston, all the parts settle in during this period and the better the oil, better it would be for the engine. The whole glazing thingy is just bull***p imo.

                        This is just what I think, everyone is free to think or do as they wish.

                        Ride Safe!
                        Why 2wheels over 4.....
                        Its because 'Whatever it is, it's better in the wind!'

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                        • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread


                          "-To ride in city, you should learn to use the clutch @ high gear & low speed or else you end up hitting 1st gear every time you slowdown"

                          Aren't you lugging the engine that way? Higher gear low speed, is not good especially when the engine is new.

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                          • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                            Thanks for your reply Chinmaya. I want to follow your advise too. There is one thing on my mind though. There is only one service centre for KTM bikes in Pune, which is very far from my residence. My understanding is that the oil filter needs to be strictly changed with the engine oil. I would have to travel all the distance just to get the oil filter. I am also not sure whether the spare parts folks easily sell it to the customer or create any problems and we need to plead with them!

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                            • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                              Originally posted by rohitsapru View Post
                              Thanks for your reply Chinmaya. I want to follow your advise too. There is one thing on my mind though. There is only one service centre for KTM bikes in Pune, which is very far from my residence. My understanding is that the oil filter needs to be strictly changed with the engine oil. I would have to travel all the distance just to get the oil filter. I am also not sure whether the spare parts folks easily sell it to the customer or create any problems and we need to plead with them!

                              You are welcome Rohit. They do not sell parts over the counter. Its just a matter of initial 1000 Kms. After that service interval is every 5000 Kms, which is a respite for people who live far away.

                              You may try to ask them for Oil Filter, if they give its well and good.

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                              • Re: KTM 390 - The original Hooligan - Ownership Thread

                                Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post
                                You are welcome Rohit. They do not sell parts over the counter. Its just a matter of initial 1000 Kms. After that service interval is every 5000 Kms, which is a respite for people who live far away.

                                You may try to ask them for Oil Filter, if they give its well and good.
                                They sell parts over the counter, because they have target to reach so they sell parts through counter.

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