Fiero/FieroF2/FieroFx

[remortr]

@Remortr : dear i planned to change the swing arm coz in needed more stability on my bike. I cam to that it it is done the ride quality and braking also can be improved. Suziki Fiero is having a short Swing arm, right. And so that too affects the wait balance, i suppose. That is teh main thing that is affecting the rear braking. I used to drive pretty fast mostly in 70 to 95(not able to reach hundred these days) Since i travel a pretty good distance through the OMR (straight stretch), i can feel the instability verymuch on full throtle. And with pillion rider it is a bit difficult in the chennai traffic. I also have a plan to increase the rear height.

@Nav : Not a straight fit. Then what all should i alter dear.
Should there be any change made for the static end of the swing arm.

thanks in advance...

hi dude there is some less opportunity to straight fit some other swing arm to fiero but we have to do mome modification to that. feiro is cannot stable at top speed due to lack of weight, so better u use some broad tyres,and i think if u change the arm with apache 150,thus it will solve ur problem and gives good stablity on top speed.but its some expencive job i inspect both the apache and my fieros swingarm today and i add some pic too,i think u should try this .Btw u have to change the foot peg assly,
chain sprocket,cover,and if need the rod too. think and do,consut their some good svcg.any doubt rep me

[johnjojo08]

Hi,
I am planning to change the swing arm for my 2000 Fiero....
If i am changing the swing arm, what all things i will have to take care and
what all i will have to change.(change will be done by a mechanic).

1. Which bike swing arm can i use? Fiero F2/FX, Victor GLX??
2. Will the existing chain cover fit with the new one?
3. Will the chain , Sporocket have to be changed?(i hope chain have to be replaced with longer one(dont now) and hence sprocket too?

i am only a learner in bike mechanics. So please suggest.

My bike does well aprt from some engine noise. I hope reboring will do good.Bike has done 59000 km. It is a virgin engine. Will it give the same butter smooth style even after the reboring???

Kindly put your suggestions please.

Swing arm change require lot of modification according to which bike's swing arm yor are fitting.. I have fitted ZMA swing arm in my apache 150 .. Later I have changed to apache RTR 160's swing arm.. The wheelbase of Suzuki Fiero is 1240 mm.. Also it is using tubular type swingarm. You can easily fit rectangular swing arm of Victor GX(1240mm) without major modifications. The wheelbase change after fitting other TVS bike's swing arm are given below..

Victor GX (1240mm)
Victor GLX (1260mm)
Fiero F2/FX(1270mm)
Apache 150(1260mm)
Apache RTR 160/FI(1300mm)
Flame (1320mm)
Apache RTR 180(1326mm)

If you are going for apache RTR 160's swingarm, it will give you more stability.. But for that you need to change the following..

1. RTR 160 Swing arm - 750/-
2. RTR 160 open type chain and sprocket - 900/-
3. RTR 160 Rear break rod - around (150/-)- May need some modification.. Other wise you need to weld existing break rod to make it more lengthier.
4. RTR 160 open type chain cover - 95/-
5. RTR 180 rear mudguard - 350/-the base set. Without detachable cover layer(for rain protection).

The total cost may be around 2500/-

You can also postponed some changes to later point of time for cost reduction .. U can change the chain and mudguard at later point of time. You can lengthen existing chain by mixing some old chain. Cut the existing mudguard. Then the modification cost will be down to around 1200/-. I think these things clear your doubts..

[gixxer_junkie_m]

Swing arm change require lot of modification according to which bike's swing arm yor are fitting.. I have fitted ZMA swing arm in my apache 150 .. Later I have changed to apache RTR 160's swing arm.. The wheelbase of Suzuki Fiero is 1240 mm.. Also it is using tubular type swingarm. You can easily fit rectangular swing arm of Victor GX(1240mm) without major modifications. The wheelbase change after fitting other TVS bike's swing arm are given below..

Victor GX (1240mm)
Victor GLX (1260mm)
Fiero F2/FX(1270mm)
Apache 150(1260mm)
Apache RTR 160/FI(1300mm)
Flame (1320mm)
Apache RTR 180(1326mm)

If you are going for apache RTR 160's swingarm, it will give you more stability.. But for that you need to change the following..

1. RTR 160 Swing arm - 750/-
2. RTR 160 open type chain and sprocket - 900/-
3. RTR 160 Rear break rod - around (150/-)- May need some modification.. Other wise you need to weld existing break rod to make it more lengthier.
4. RTR 160 open type chain cover - 95/-
5. RTR 180 rear mudguard - 350/-the base set. Without detachable cover layer(for rain protection).

The total cost may be around 2500/-

You can also postponed some changes to later point of time for cost reduction .. U can change the chain and mudguard at later point of time. You can lengthen existing chain by mixing some old chain. Cut the existing mudguard. Then the modification cost will be down to around 1200/-. I think these things clear your doubts..

I came here searching for the very same information and i have all my doubts cleared by you man .Thanks.You sure have saved me a lot of legwork and the agony of painstakingly getting the information regarding the new changes in wheelbase lengths. I have modified my 2002 suzuki fiero to look like an cafe-racer and at this very moment it is with the mechanic getting a new sleeve installed along with the karizma piston to take its displacement to 194 odd cc's. I am seriously thinking of converting it to an mono shock set up .But at the moment i think i'll go for the rtr swing arm.Thanks once again for the information.

[vinoopfredy]

@remo:/ @johnjojo thanks dear ... that was too impressive with the lenghts of swingarms... I think i will go for the things you mentioned...
I will check the details and get back to you if i have any doubt buddy.....

@remo... Which bikes GR suspension you have used on your fiero ..

Is it possible to get the Fiero sticker work.. I have a tank sticker which is a spoiled one by the DTP guy. Painted the tank 7 months back.. Original Suzu.. looks are spoiled by the unmatching sticker.

[vinoopfredy]

Swing arm change require lot of modification according to which bike's swing arm yor are fitting.. I have fitted ZMA swing arm in my apache 150 .. Later I have changed to apache RTR 160's swing arm.. The wheelbase of Suzuki Fiero is 1240 mm.. Also it is using tubular type swingarm. You can easily fit rectangular swing arm of Victor GX(1240mm) without major modifications. The wheelbase change after fitting other TVS bike's swing arm are given below..

Victor GX (1240mm)
Victor GLX (1260mm)
Fiero F2/FX(1270mm)
Apache 150(1260mm)
Apache RTR 160/FI(1300mm)
Flame (1320mm)
Apache RTR 180(1326mm)

If you are going for apache RTR 160's swingarm, it will give you more stability.. But for that you need to change the following..

1. RTR 160 Swing arm - 750/-
2. RTR 160 open type chain and sprocket - 900/-
3. RTR 160 Rear break rod - around (150/-)- May need some modification.. Other wise you need to weld existing break rod to make it more lengthier.
4. RTR 160 open type chain cover - 95/-
5. RTR 180 rear mudguard - 350/-the base set. Without detachable cover layer(for rain protection).

The total cost may be around 2500/-

You can also postponed some changes to later point of time for cost reduction .. U can change the chain and mudguard at later point of time. You can lengthen existing chain by mixing some old chain. Cut the existing mudguard. Then the modification cost will be down to around 1200/-. I think these things clear your doubts..

@ john.. ; So if i am going for the RTR160 swing arm.. My chain will have to be half naked.. ??? My bike will be shy.. having a half naked chain. Is it possible for a chain cover. Just because i like the conventional styling.

[johnjojo08]

U can go for full chain cover of first generation RTR 160.. Open type chain over is very less costly only 95/- .. Thats y I have recommended it to you.

[johnjojo08]

I came here searching for the very same information and i have all my doubts cleared by you man .Thanks.You sure have saved me a lot of legwork and the agony of painstakingly getting the information regarding the new changes in wheelbase lengths. I have modified my 2002 suzuki fiero to look like an cafe-racer and at this very moment it is with the mechanic getting a new sleeve installed along with the karizma piston to take its displacement to 194 odd cc's. I am seriously thinking of converting it to an mono shock set up .But at the moment i think i'll go for the rtr swing arm.Thanks once again for the information.

My 2006 apache 150 is now running with RTR 180 cylinder kit. From where u converted ur bike to 194cc.. From Venu?. My cousin also converted his apache 150 to 194 cc with ZMA piston, 2 years back with the help of Venu.. That bike is running like hell..

[Joel]

Any Fiero/apache or even an RTR for that matter running just a big bore, i.e a karizma piston or any other massive oversize without the right job will tamper the overall performance. I have seen more big-bore builds going slower than going faster.
With a larger piston, you will gain more low-end torque and it will more often make you feel you are going faster. Put it on a dyno or a speedgun and you will know the truth. You find mechanics dime a dozen who promise performance by shoving a larger piston. There is a lot more to just oversizing an engine.
We have learnt that over the years and it was not a joke for me to take that engine beyond what one would expect. My big bore 200cc fiero is the fastest big-bore engine in the country and was set back in dec 2007 @ 145kph in 1km and is unbroken till date.
We have always seen the big bores going slower than whatever you could have tuned with the stock internals.

[gixxer_junkie_m]

My 2006 apache 150 is now running with RTR 180 cylinder kit. From where u converted ur bike to 194cc.. From Venu?. My cousin also converted his apache 150 to 194 cc with ZMA piston, 2 years back with the help of Venu.. That bike is running like hell..

I got my bike a week back its still in the running in stage.The bike revvs easily and torque has gone up too.I mean its got 195 cc's and the head has been ported too for top-end .I am actually finding it difficult to keep it within the running in speeds..Let's hope that it settles down properly and meets the performance expectations.
I got it done at a lathe.My mech knows the guy running the lathe and i took the bore and the head myself to the lathe and had a chat with the guy.They seemed to know what they were doing and you can say that it has become a pretty standard affair of converting fiero's to 200 cc's .Simply because i inquired around and karizma piston seemed like a standard thing used for fiero and its derivatives.
Coming to your cousin's fiero ,can you ask him what main jet he's using on his 200 fiero and let me know? I have to up-jet and i was checking things around .So since venu is a legend in tuning fiero's i am pretty sure he has done a great job with the bike and the jet info would be very helpful to me .

[gixxer_junkie_m]

Any Fiero/apache or even an RTR for that matter running just a big bore, i.e a karizma piston or any other massive oversize without the right job will tamper the overall performance. I have seen more big-bore builds going slower than going faster.
With a larger piston, you will gain more low-end torque and it will more often make you feel you are going faster. Put it on a dyno or a speedgun and you will know the truth. You find mechanics dime a dozen who promise performance by shoving a larger piston. There is a lot more to just oversizing an engine.
We have learnt that over the years and it was not a joke for me to take that engine beyond what one would expect. My big bore 200cc fiero is the fastest big-bore engine in the country and was set back in dec 2007 @ 145kph in 1km and is unbroken till date.
We have always seen the big bores going slower than whatever you could have tuned with the stock internals.

Look man, honest ,i have no idea what the performance will be and i cant even in my wildest dreams even think of comparing it with your fiero 200.I know you are a busy man and i did ask about venugopal at bharat tvs and i got no where .I wanted to know before hand what i was getting into .

[vinoopfredy]

U can go for full chain cover of first generation RTR 160.. Open type chain over is very less costly only 95/- .. Thats y I have recommended it to you.

Thanks for your suggestion johnjojo. And i thank all who have put up their valuable suggestions.

[awasay]

My input to this thread.
got my fiero F2 serviced today at the castrol bike zone..
Not any major work done tightening of the timing chain and change of the front wheel bearings was adviced by the service engineer. switched back to castrol activ engine oil(previously used was castrol power)
the service engineer told activ provides smoother ride quality hence the choice.
Had problems of hard gearshifts but now it feels better.
happy with the way bike is feeling rode for about 10kms today
will postagain if I face any problems.

my bike has clocked 25500kms..

regards,
awasay.

[imjoshee]

@remo:/ @johnjojo thanks dear ... that was too impressive with the lenghts of swingarms... I think i will go for the things you mentioned...
I will check the details and get back to you if i have any doubt buddy.....

@remo... Which bikes GR suspension you have used on your fiero ..

Is it possible to get the Fiero sticker work.. I have a tank sticker which is a spoiled one by the DTP guy. Painted the tank 7 months back.. Original Suzu.. looks are spoiled by the unmatching sticker.

Buddy,
Have you changed the swingarm??

If yes,then please post in some pictures & the details of used swingarm,chain sprocket etc etc....


Vishal

[remortr]

@
vinoopfredy :
hi what about u r modification

[vinoopfredy]

@
vinoopfredy :
hi what about u r modification

Dear ,
I have not yet done the mod. I checked with my mechanic and he insist on not to change the swing arm. Since my bike is in a realy good condition and i gives a mileage of 50, he tells me not to do anything now. Anyway i will be doing the mods soon and will post the pictures soon. Sorry for the late reply, since i was in the mood of changing my company.

And one reason my mechanic says is that if swing arm length is increased, there is chance of teh suspension hitting the side panel and making odd noises while thrown into a pit. What do you say for this.