Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Well... I would suggest u to go for the RTR 200 its the best balanced & refined bike in 200cc segment & reliable also. Ns has way to many issues. U can see from there ownership thread!!. Rtr200 can do 100-110kmph all day long without breaking any sweat on highways & its a Better handler & good city performer too. Ppl assume that having liquid cooling makes a bike more technology advance but its nothing like that.. at least for 200cc segment. Oil cooler on rtr200 works brilliant even in the worse traffic conditions to keep the temp low.

Gear shifts becoming harder on the RTR 200

Hi, as the title goes, my RTR 200 when bought had very very slick gear shifts. So smooth AF that one needed to look into the gear indicator to know if they've changed the gear. But now after 9 months, the gear shifts are becoming harder and has gotten really stiff.

I tried changing the engine oil (Tvs tru4 itself I've never changed the brand from the start), tried adjusting the clutch etc. But still I face the same issue. The bike if in a completely level ground and first gear, will jump forward slightly, if you pull the clutch and start. This means that the clutch is not disengaging fully. Also when I shift from 4th to 5th while riding, the gear is very stiff and shifts in 2 steps (a slight jerk or a catch) and then falls on 5th. Downshifts are smooth but I feel they're getting stiffer as well.

So dear RTR owners and xbhp please guide me through the issue as this is very frustrating and a deal breaker to an enjoyable ride.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Thanks mate

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Thanks for the suggestion bro

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

I agree with you mate except the point u mentioned about the technology. Ns has the better technology than rtr ( NO OFFENCE! I’m just sharing my knowledge). And it’s reliable too except the fit and finish of body panels.

Now I’m having rtr200 but I had both the ns and duke 200 at the same time few years ago and used ns around 40k kms and 20k on duke. I didn’t face any major issues with ns for 40k kms. Both the bike shares almost same engine except the cam mechanisms and fuel supply systems.
The main advantage of the liquid cooling mechanism is enabling higher compression ratio that leads to higher specific power output ( 117bhp/ton for ns and 125 bhp/ton for ktm) . That’s why both the bikes give higher performances for it’s size. Both the bikes can do redline speeds for a longer duration without any heating issues. That leads to a better top end performance. I opened up the engine a couple of times and I saw those engine components are designed as a very low weight components which is much suited for high revving engine which produces higher power at high engine speed and better heat dissipation. That’s why the engine feels less refined at slow speeds.
But on the other hand the rtr engine is still based on the much proven old school suzuki fiero’s engine. It evolved a lot from the older engines but it’s still normal commuter engine. The air cooling system limits its compression ratio that limits its specific power output (100bhp/ ton) because oil cooler can’t cool the engine beyond certain limits.
For rtr speeds above 110 feels strained. And it’s topspeed varies very much with respect to the engine and ambient temperature. But the ns engine won’t be as stressed as rtr.

More over rtr 200 is not designed for outright performance. It’s made with strong midrange which is good for high speed city riding. It’s a practical motorcycle rather than a enthusiasts bike. So no need for expensive technology.

The necessity of a water cooling system depends upon the compression ratio, operating engine speed and power output. And not about its capacity. High compression ratio produces more heat more heat leads to more power output. For example r15and cbr150r cannot produce that power output and solid high performance without that liquid cooling system when compared to other 150cc bikes.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Probably they might have used the so called cutting oil all over the vehicle for shiny look after washing. It’ll be alright after sometime. If you want it to fixed immediately then ride the bike by applying the brakes so that the oil can be burned off due to heat. Next time tell them not to apply cutting oil. It may degrade the plastic components.

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I forgot to mention one thing. the gearshift quality of the rtr is not as slick as ns. The ns gearbox is as same as the ktm. It’s very slick and it’s very suitable for quicker high speed downshifts. But rtr gearbox makes much noise and won’t give comfortable shifts for spirited riding. But it is smooth for normal gear shifts.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Bro!!.. if u haven't faced probs with ns200 then it doesn't mean that issues are not there or owners aren't facing it. Its has several niggles, like coolent mixing with engine oil, clutch assembly going kaput, loss of power after 10k kms & wat not. Rtr200 has nano friks coated pistons which makes to improve wear resistance & less prone to wear & tear to the piston cyclender walls. Although the ktm do get this ns200 doesn't have nano friks coated pistons. I saw u commented that gear shifts aren't smooth as ns200 don't know wat kind of prob ur rtr200 has but mine has completed 11k kms & they are butter smooth & mind u the newer rtr200 has slipper clutch that makes the gearbox absolutely bliss & clutch operation darn too light.

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Ha ha... it’s not about just my bike. The issues you said about ns are very uncommon. Especially the coolant mixed up with engine oil is a issue due to blown gaskets bcoz of improper maintenance of coolant level. That’ll happen even in all cars if you are not maintaining the coolant properly.
And bro you didn’t understand what I said about shifting gears. It’s not about smoothness of shifting it’s about slickness. The issue I said will be noticeable only at high rpm gearshifts. It’s comparatively much better in ns. That’s the only major setback in rtr for enthusiastic riding.If you don’t believe me you can even see the reviews from top magazines like overdrive or autocarindia. May be the slipper clutch could have solved the issue.
And those nano firks you said is unique to rtr200. It’s a kind of solid lubricant which is meant to work especially during run-in period and not the whole life.
Any how it seems like u have a polarised view towards ns. Trust me it’s not a bad bike like you said.
If you not getting convinced then let us leave this argument behind and I apologise for anything offended you.

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Bro, I currently have a 2012 200 NS with around 76000 kms on the odometer and I can assure you that it's a reliable motorcycle as it can be. I haven't touched my bike engine yet except for a clutch plate change at around 73000 km on odo and coolant oil mixing with engine oil at around 72000 km. As you can see clutch plate wera is a normal wear and tear item. So, the only real issue i have faced so far in my 51/2 years of ownership is coolant leak and it's a real small work to get it fixed my changing the oil seals. The rest of the bike really feels tight and the engine still feels fresh like day1. There is no loss of power, no clutch assembly issues, no plastic panel fading issues, i mean absolutely nothing. This is my second bike and my first bike was a 2007 Apache RTR 160.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Haha. U people still confusing me to choose a better one. Just tell me which one would u still prefer rather than saying advantages. I will be using for both city and occasional highway riding.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Apache RTR 200. Get abs, get slipper clutch.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

If you are doing more in city just go for apache it’s a lot comfortable and peppier. And also feels light and has a very sharp handling when compared to ns.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Guys planning to change my rear tyres, as i had more than 5 punctures. Looking for rear tyre sugesstions in 130/70.

Shortlisted revz s and zapper s1.

How good is the pirrelli sports demon.

Any other suggestions are welcome.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Stock remora is more than enough. If you need more go with revs. Pirelli is too much for our road usage unless you’re going into a racetrack.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Has ABS version delivery started yet ?