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    Default Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

    Quote Originally Posted by animeher View Post
    Positively surprised that a 150cc compares with a 200cc! Would like to hear Karizma owner's feedback as well, as this bike is too close to Karizma in price.
    and here's the reasoning - That so-called 18 PS from the 200 comes in at a high RPM (I think its ~8.5K) where the bike vibrates so much and sounds so tortured that I'd keep it around the 4-5K rpm band. And if I bought a bike to do 40 -50 kmph speeds then the whole point of a larger displacement is void.

    Basically I bought a 200cc and was riding it like a 100cc. Any time I would go touring, I'd be the slowest because I would hang around the 70-80 kmph mark where the vibrations would be significant but not unbearable. And since then I have ridden the newer pulsars and find the same problems there as well, though to a lesser extent.

    Then I ride this bike. Its a 155 cc but vibrates way, way lesser at 90 kmph than my bike does at 60. It is at that point that you realize that power figures are pointless when you can't use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanay View Post
    Then I ride this bike. Its a 155 cc but vibrates way, way lesser at 90 kmph than my bike does at 60. It is at that point that you realize that power figures are pointless when you can't use them.
    Can you think of any plausible reason that both Bajaj & TVS are not dealing with this major drawback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freak inExile View Post
    Can you think of any plausible reason that both Bajaj & TVS are not dealing with this major drawback?
    Yes. Venkat Shyam of Auto Service in Bangalore had this to day-
    During the JV days (Hero-Honda, TVS-Suzuki, Kawasaki-Bajaj) there was a lot of technology transfer. However, the Japs kept one particular section guarded. This was the metallurgy of the piston/block/rings -basically the important engine parts and how they are formed

    Now making engines is not easy to get right. If it was, you won't have megasized car companies developing and sharing the same engine in different cars.
    Metallurgy, in particular, seems to be a rather tough nut to crack.

    So Indian companies have a long way to get that perfect metallurgy. Sure, they are making progress. But are they as smooth as the Japs today? I leave that to you guys to decide. Look at the recent LC Pulsars built with KTM assistance (who are themselves not known for butter smooth engines anyway) and you can get an idea of the time it takes to develop expertise in this field.

    Someday in the future, say ten or twenty years later, maybe there will be a Bajaj and a TVS motorcycle that may be as smooth as a Jap. But as of today, I am of the opinion that they are no match in this department. Therefore they emphasize on power/bargain pricing/different segments (AS200 anyone?) to sell.

    OK enough OT. Enjoy your bikes. They are really nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanay View Post
    During the JV days (Hero-Honda, TVS-Suzuki, Kawasaki-Bajaj) there was a lot of technology transfer. However, the Japs kept one particular section guarded. This was the metallurgy of the piston/block/rings -basically the important engine parts and how they are formed
    Clever Japs eh? kept their recipe secret. But, critical-engine-parts are manufactured in India isn't it? Or they're brought from outside?

    So, Bajaj & TVS are left with lot of investment in RnD (trial-error) with years to follow-up. Hope that they arrive at results sooner.

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    I spoke with a parts supplier that supplies some car parts to Tata and some other international brand. He said, that Indian companies have least stringent quality constraints. Some problem with the part? Straighten in out and put it to use. While international brand have much stricter quality control, and they straightaway junk the faulty part. So even the suppliers use different quality for producing the parts, which effectively results in overall decrease in quality in Indian brands, though at a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animeher View Post
    Positively surprised that a 150cc compares with a 200cc! Would like to hear Karizma owner's feedback as well, as this bike is too close to Karizma in price.
    It's a younger sibling of sorts to ZMA/ZMR.
    Though the smotthness should not ideally be compared with another bike that displaces almost 1.5 times (Gixxer vs Karizma), I feel Gixxer is extremely refined.

    What helps bikes like Karizma/Gixxer is that the usable power is not up in the stratosphere. Not sure about Gixxer, but ZMA has max torque at 6000 RPM and max power at 7000. That means a meaty powerband from 3.5k to 7.5k odd RPM (8200 redline). That's crazy.
    Lastly, mileage on the ZMR is equivalent to the Gixxer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divya Sharan View Post
    Lastly, mileage on the ZMR is equivalent to the Gixxer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shreeni0403 View Post
    I love this

    I fail to understand how is this a good thing?

    It is lighter than the ZMR, and has less CC, so it should give much better better fuel efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperRetard View Post
    I fail to understand how is this a good thing?

    It is lighter than the ZMR, and has less CC, so it should give much better better fuel efficiency.
    I didn't tell it's a good thing. I loved that statement because I own a zmr n what DS stated is fact.

    ZMR easily gives an average fuel efficiency of 35-38kmpl under worst riding conditions. If you're sedate you get much more. Best I could manage was 56 when I rode with a friend who was in run-in period.

    To answer your question, there could be many reasons why zmr gives better fe.
    Couple of them Fi, tyre size..

    Though ZMA & ZMR shares same engine there is drastic difference in fuel efficiency.
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    Default Re: Suzuki Gixxer SF : Ownership thread

    Quote Originally Posted by HyperRetard View Post
    I fail to understand how is this a good thing?

    It is lighter than the ZMR, and has less CC, so it should give much better better fuel efficiency.
    Its because the ZMR has an excellent FI which optimizes the engine a lot.

    Also no matter how smooth the gixxer is, still also it will be running at much higher rpm than the ZMR at same speed. SO the stress on engine will be higher and thus less fuel efficiency.


    Moreover comparing a 150 cc bike with ZMR is not fair.

    Zmr has loads of torque which helps it to pull without effort. Most 150 cc uses the Horsepower to keep going.

    And yeah really, the ZMR returns 50+ easily on highways. Most probably due to super efficient combustion and super relaxed engine.

    No matter how much smooth a 150 cc becomes, ZMR is still the king when it comes to touring.
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