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    Default Re: Apache RTR/FI

    Quote Originally Posted by ajayputti View Post
    Guys hi,

    I got a new RTR 200 FI for myself this April. Bike feels flawless most of the time.
    But especially Durning the cold starts it doesn't start in one push of start. It takes minimum 2 attempts every time. Also when I try tobwarm up the engine during cold starts it turns off. When moving in slow speeds engine turns off and doesn't start immediately.
    Any of these signs show any problem with the FI system?

    During the initial days I have reported the issue to the SVC and it seemed they have no clue about it. Told me there is no issue.
    But I'm sure there is some issue.
    Any thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Ajay
    Hi ajay....i had a similar problem with my maestro edge...there is a small fuel filter before the FI get that cleaned...and change the place from where you get your petrol filled....the fuel may have impurities....such things were very common with the old mercedes fuel pumps

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    Default Re: Apache RTR/FI

    Quote Originally Posted by Revminister View Post
    Hi ajay....i had a similar problem with my maestro edge...there is a small fuel filter before the FI get that cleaned...and change the place from where you get your petrol filled....the fuel may have impurities....such things were very common with the old mercedes fuel pumps
    Thanks for the help. I will get the same checked and see the results.

    Ajay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwin07 View Post
    Hi. This is my first post in the forum.
    For the past 3 months, my 2010 Apache 160 Fi stops randomly while running and doesn't restart. TVS showrooms ran ECU diagnostics and told to replace Wiring kit and Throttle position sensor. But I am not able to get the parts through TVS. I had already replaced ECU in 2015.
    The service engineer recommend me to convert my Fuel injector into carburettor using carburettor of RTR 160 as parts are not available.
    Are there any cons to convert my Fi to carburettor?
    Hi friends. I have successfully converted my eFI to carburettor as I couldn't source the spares.
    The work was done in TVS service centre itself. They have already done in 15 or so bikes so far.
    The wiring of eFI was retained. They didn't remove any parts of eFI including ECU. So if in future I get spares, I have the option of going back to eFi. Carburettor added but On-off-reserve switch not installed.
    It cost Rs.3500 for labour, spares and routine service.
    I have already done 5000 kilometres after the conversion and no problems so far. My Odo is 56,000 km. Bought in early 2010.
    Exhaust note, pick up are the same. Mileage decreased slightly from 58kmpl to 55kmpl.

    P.S: I accidentally deleted this post twice when I tried to edit.

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    Default Re: Apache RTR/FI

    Quote Originally Posted by Arwin07 View Post
    Hi friends. I have successfully converted my eFI to carburettor as I couldn't source the spares.
    The work was done in TVS service centre itself. They have already done in 15 or so bikes so far.
    The wiring of eFI was retained. They didn't remove any parts of eFI including ECU. So if in future I get spares, I have the option of going back to eFi. Carburettor added but On-off-reserve switch not installed.
    It cost Rs.3500 for labour, spares and routine service.
    I have already done 5000 kilometres after the conversion and no problems so far. My Odo is 56,000 km. Bought in early 2010.
    Exhaust note, pick up are the same. Mileage decreased slightly from 58kmpl to 55kmpl.

    P.S: I accidentally deleted this post twice when I tried to edit.
    Hi Arwin

    1. Did you flashes (remapped) your ECU ? I have heard doing so will cost the engine damage !

    2.Do you hope carburetor variant is much easy to maintain than the FI variant ?

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    Default Re: Apache RTR/FI

    Quote Originally Posted by Aswinlogi View Post
    Hi Arwin

    1. Did you flashes (remapped) your ECU ? I have heard doing so will cost the engine damage !

    2.Do you hope carburetor variant is much easy to maintain than the FI variant ?
    1. No.
    2. I did out of necessity as Fi failed after 45,000 Kms and I couldn't get spares. Fi is as reliable as carburettor. I didn't have any major problems with Fi in the first 45,000kms. Now the carburettor also is running without problems in the 5500kms after changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwin07 View Post
    1. No.
    2. I did out of necessity as Fi failed after 45,000 Kms and I couldn't get spares. Fi is as reliable as carburettor. I didn't have any major problems with Fi in the first 45,000kms. Now the carburettor also is running without problems in the 5500kms after changing.
    Ok bro I am awaiting for my new Apache 160 4v dual disc variant (next month probably) , I can also opt for FI variant but it costs around 7K more than Carb variant !

    Your suggestions are welcomed !!

    Cheers ,

    Logi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aswinlogi View Post
    Ok bro I am awaiting for my new Apache 160 4v dual disc variant (next month probably) , I can also opt for FI variant but it costs around 7K more than Carb variant !

    Your suggestions are welcomed !!

    Cheers ,

    Logi.
    Here are my few pointers for you to make a decision yourself:
    1. The ECU in my 2009 model is from a different vendor than the ECU in current Apaches. The current one is said to be more reliable.
    2. If you live around a city, there will be no problem. You drive into the workshop at the first hint of any problem. I was living in a remote area when the fuel injection began to fail. So I had a difficult time and had to get my motorcycle towed to nearest city, rich was good 60km. In rural and remote areas, carburettor makes sense as even a local mechanic can fix it.
    3. Fuel injection was more fuel efficient, by 3-5kmpl. But pickup and engine exhaust sound are the same.

    Maybe experienced members here can help you better to decide.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arwin07 View Post
    Here are my few pointers for you to make a decision yourself:
    1. The ECU in my 2009 model is from a different vendor than the ECU in current Apaches. The current one is said to be more reliable.
    2. If you live around a city, there will be no problem. You drive into the workshop at the first hint of any problem. I was living in a remote area when the fuel injection began to fail. So I had a difficult time and had to get my motorcycle towed to nearest city, rich was good 60km. In rural and remote areas, carburettor makes sense as even a local mechanic can fix it.
    3. Fuel injection was more fuel efficient, by 3-5kmpl. But pickup and engine exhaust sound are the same.

    Maybe experienced members here can help you better to decide.
    Cheers.
    Yeah one great advantage in FI is fuel can't be stolen LoL,as the fuel prices are skyrocketing daily, I fear of that knob (easily fuel can be stolen!)

    I reside in a big town neither a City nor a village .

    But carb variant is a way cheaper around Rs. 7,000 than FI so it's better to choose the carb I hope so !!

    If a simple calculation is made , with that 7K money, I would rather fill the fuel of 80 Litres ~ assuming mileage as 45 km/pl that can munch around 3400+ kms !!!

    Or simply spend it on Helmet, gloves. rather!

    Am I thinking wisely ?? IDK !!!


    Seniors need your help !!

    Thanks .
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    Default Re: Apache RTR/FI

    Quote Originally Posted by Arwin07 View Post
    Hi friends. I have successfully converted my eFI to carburettor as I couldn't source the spares.
    The work was done in TVS service centre itself. They have already done in 15 or so bikes so far.
    The wiring of eFI was retained. They didn't remove any parts of eFI including ECU. So if in future I get spares, I have the option of going back to eFi. Carburettor added but On-off-reserve switch not installed.
    It cost Rs.3500 for labour, spares and routine service.
    I have already done 5000 kilometres after the conversion and no problems so far. My Odo is 56,000 km. Bought in early 2010.
    Exhaust note, pick up are the same. Mileage decreased slightly from 58kmpl to 55kmpl.

    P.S: I accidentally deleted this post twice when I tried to edit.
    Hi Arwin,

    Where did you convert the fi to carb? Help to share the contact and address. I'm in Tamilnadu near Salem.

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    Default Re: Apache RTR/FI

    Quote Originally Posted by monatara View Post
    Hi Arwin,

    Where did you convert the fi to carb? Help to share the contact and address. I'm in Tamilnadu near Salem.
    I changed it in Sathyajothi TVS, KK Nagar, Madurai.
    It's been 12000kms without any problems.

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