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    Quote Originally Posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
    How's it running? Any battery issues, Have you downgraded the parking light and rear number plate light bulbs?



    Sole reason that I never ride out at nights except in city. Want to upgrade to HID but can't find a good mechanic who could do it with projector fitting in the stock headlight dome and I am not good at DIY.

    @lockhrt and eshan: Do you guys live closer? or far off? Is'nt the NH4 Banglore highway on which we met lockhrt.
    Lockhrt and me are from same city. Pune. And this city is small compared to yours

    @ Lockhrt come to g2g tomorrow at The Moto Cafe Bavdhan, Chandni Chowk its time we meet up. Will check your ride too and take some inputs. Riding at night has become really difficult for me these days.

    Yup Nh4 passes through Pune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    Lockhrt and me are from same city. Pune. And this city is small compared to yours

    @ Lockhrt come to g2g tomorrow at The Moto Cafe Bavdhan, Chandni Chowk its time we meet up. Will check your ride too and take some inputs. Riding at night has become really difficult for me these days.

    Yup Nh4 passes through Pune.
    Hey why don't you upgrade or replace your stator coil with that of the OLD Eliminator 180 stator coil, old E180 had 55W/60W bulb and so their coil was more powerful and sufficient for 55W bulb. Also as it is Bajaj the coil fits in our bikes also (P150, P180, P200). You don't need to rewind the coil just change the coil and RR unit to that Eliminator 180. Don't remember the Part No. Someone else from here might help, because i got the details from here only for upgrade.
    i have done the same thing but instead of 55W bulb i have plonked 35W HID 4300K, which is more than sufficient for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rakowli View Post
    Hey why don't you upgrade or replace your stator coil with that of the OLD Eliminator 180 stator coil, old E180 had 55W/60W bulb and so their coil was more powerful and sufficient for 55W bulb. Also as it is Bajaj the coil fits in our bikes also (P150, P180, P200). You don't need to rewind the coil just change the coil and RR unit to that Eliminator 180. Don't remember the Part No. Someone else from here might help, because i got the details from here only for upgrade.
    i have done the same thing but instead of 55W bulb i have plonked 35W HID 4300K, which is more than sufficient for me.
    Now thats something iam looking for. Any idea about costs, cz the SVS is other side of the city.

    Or let me know what needs to be asked to the SVC people. Will call them up and find out.

    Btw is it possible for you to attach some images of the HID kit's output. Would like to see, also some images of the front lamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rakowli View Post
    Hey why don't you upgrade or replace your stator coil with that of the OLD Eliminator 180 stator coil, old E180 had 55W/60W bulb and so their coil was more powerful and sufficient for 55W bulb. Also as it is Bajaj the coil fits in our bikes also (P150, P180, P200). You don't need to rewind the coil just change the coil and RR unit to that Eliminator 180. Don't remember the Part No. Someone else from here might help, because i got the details from here only for upgrade.
    i have done the same thing but instead of 55W bulb i have plonked 35W HID 4300K, which is more than sufficient for me.
    AFAIK, Eliminator was 175cc. Also it was not Bajaj. It had Kawasaki logo on it. I know since I owned one for 8 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    Ohh nice. So how much would the expense shoot up for both the mentioned mods...
    Also we live in same city, where this could be done?? Nana peth is risky if you are pointing towards there.
    ~500 Rs for Ape RR, should be available at any Ape showroom(Don't know any particular part number). Another hundred or two for rewinding, this can be done at roadside electrical repairing shop (I haven't done this mod so can't recommend any shop).

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    Also what if i just plonk a 55w bulb without any modification, would the battery drain alot or would be usual consumption...
    Oh yes. These days I ride once in a week that too at night mostly. Low battery indicator blinks all the time. Light is very dim, can't even make out the light throw. Main problem is battery draining, secondly the light throw has widen a bit. Sometime I think, things were better with old 35W as it was good for short distance. I had adjusted the reflector in such a way that it produced excellent light throw for riding upto 50kph.

    No matter how much battery is draining, bike starts without any problem.

    Basically math is very simple, in ideal world 35W bulb needs 3 Ah (amps hours) to run @12V 35W=12V x 3 Ah. Similarly 60W bulb would need 60W=12V x 5 Ah. A brand new fully charged battery can provide 9 Ah = 5 Ah x 2 hours.
    Ideally RR should let in more than 6 Ah to run 55/60W bulb properly, which will stop the bulb from pulling energy from battery.
    ^But that's not the case here, we don't live in the ideal world. After 2 years battery can't fill in energy more than half of what's labelled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    Yes, iam having a tough time riding at night, mostly its the NH4 from Hinjewadi to Sinhagad Rd after office. Couple of weeks back my left mirror hit a guy who was crossing the road, i couldnt see him crossing, when the mirror and handle bar got a jerk thats when i knew i hit someone. The Stock bulb is useless!!! Help me out at the soonest. Thanx for your time.
    Fortunately it didn't turn out any more severe than that.
    I seriously doubt upgrading to 55W will solve your problem. See, you'll need to spend ~700 for flawless 55W mod job and it won't even guaranty the satisfaction. Some people will suggest to even go for osram night breaker, phillips xtreme vision which will escalate budget by another 500 to 900 Rs. They only offer marginally more brightness than normal halogen. At the end of the day what's halogen stays halogen.

    Probably only solution for you is HID as you ride for minimum 1 hour daily on a dark NH in deadliest city on this planet. A 55W halogen gives ~33-50% more brightness than 35W. but a 35W HID is ~400% more bright than 35W halogen. You should be able to get a decent HID done in 1600.
    Although HID is 35W, to lit it, it's like starting bike's engine, need substantial energy momentarily. I don't see any point recommending for stator coil and RR upgrade in your case as you'll riding on the highway mostly, meaning less times of turning on/off bulb. For major city use, I think, stator and RR upgrades are needed.

    Try HID without projector as projector is not good at high beam throw. They minimize the glares, yes, but that's the concern for city only riding.

    Quote Originally Posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
    How's it running? Any battery issues, Have you downgraded the parking light and rear number plate light bulbs?
    I'm still using a pair of bright leds for parking bulbs. Haven't done anything to number plate bulb.

    Quote Originally Posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
    @lockhrt and eshan: Do you guys live closer? or far off? Is'nt the NH4 Banglore highway on which we met lockhrt.
    He works near where I live. Yup we met near hinjewadi on NH4.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    @ Lockhrt come to g2g tomorrow at The Moto Cafe Bavdhan, Chandni Chowk its time we meet up. Will check your ride too and take some inputs. Riding at night has become really difficult for me these days.
    Yup Nh4 passes through Pune.
    I really can't make it there tomorrow. You could stop by my place on Thursday or any day later any time. I live near Waka d.

    Quote Originally Posted by rakowli View Post
    Hey why don't you upgrade or replace your stator coil with that of the OLD Eliminator 180 stator coil, old E180 had 55W/60W bulb and so their coil was more powerful and sufficient for 55W bulb. Also as it is Bajaj the coil fits in our bikes also (P150, P180, P200). You don't need to rewind the coil just change the coil and RR unit to that Eliminator 180. Don't remember the Part No. Someone else from here might help, because i got the details from here only for upgrade.
    i have done the same thing but instead of 55W bulb i have plonked 35W HID 4300K, which is more than sufficient for me.
    That was possible on UG3 or earlier.
    The stator coil on Eliminator provides electricity directly to bulb as it's AC (not full DC like UG4 pulsar180). Same goes for RR from eliminator, not meant for full DC bike. Another thing, is that eliminator, avengers stator coil are incompatible with UG4 P180 because full DC avenger has 3 phase alternator stator whereas our p180 has single phase only.
    With UG4 the only option is to rewind the coil and upgrade the RR.

    A stator coil costs ~550, whereas rewinding can be done under Rs. 100 or 20 if you do it yourself and it's not like rewinding is any less reliable than a new stator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    Now thats something iam looking for. Any idea about costs, cz the SVS is other side of the city.
    Or let me know what needs to be asked to the SVC people. Will call them up and find out.
    Btw is it possible for you to attach some images of the HID kit's output. Would like to see, also some images of the front lamp.
    Thank you.
    For HID job mechanic ask on G2G thread.

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    Thanx lockhrt999 for the speedy reply. Yes we would meet up somewhere this week. Would see the setup you are currently running for your bike. So evening time would be perfect. Wakad is close...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockhrt999 View Post
    ).
    Basically math is very simple, in ideal world 35W bulb needs 3 Ah (amps hours) to run @12V 35W=12V x 3 Ah. Similarly 60W bulb would need 60W=12V x 5 Ah. A brand new fully charged battery can provide 9 Ah = 5 Ah x 2 hours.
    Ideally RR should let in more than 6 Ah to run 55/60W bulb properly, which will stop the bulb from pulling energy from battery.
    ^But that's not the case here, we don't live in the ideal world. After 2 years battery can't fill in energy more than half of what's labelled.



    Fortunately it didn't turn out any more severe than that.
    I seriously doubt upgrading to 55W will solve your problem. See, you'll need to spend ~700 for flawless 55W mod job and it won't even guaranty the satisfaction. Some people will suggest to even go for osram night breaker, phillips xtreme vision which will escalate budget by another 500 to 900 Rs. They only offer marginally more brightness than normal halogen. At the end of the day what's halogen stays halogen.

    I really can't make it there tomorrow. You could stop by my place on Thursday or any day later any time. I live near Waka d.
    I am using 55W philips normal halogen bulb without any modification. Been using since November 2011, so that is around 6 month. Till last one month, I had taken out parking lamps, and it wasn't giving any problem, but recently I plonked in new white light parking lamps, since then the low battery indicator keeps coming, but no light dimming or such thing(though light is brighter, but not satisfactory, so i guess HID is solution). But yes, if i blow horn with lights, it's audibly weaker.

    @lockhrt I live in pimple saudagar, may be we can meet up together, whatsay eeshan ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshan-P180 View Post
    Thanx lockhrt999 for the speedy reply. Yes we would meet up somewhere this week. Would see the setup you are currently running for your bike. So evening time would be perfect. Wakad is close...
    Quote Originally Posted by AntiqueBlue View Post
    @lockhrt I live in pimple saudagar, may be we can meet up together, whatsay eeshan ?
    Looking forward to meet you guys.
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    i just stumbled upon this discussion-

    my reply based on personal DIY experiment-

    Quote Originally Posted by lockhrt999 View Post
    ~500 Rs for Ape RR, should be available at any Ape showroom(Don't know any particular part number). Another hundred or two for rewinding, this can be done at roadside electrical repairing shop (I haven't done this mod so can't recommend any shop).

    ape rr is not available for 500 rupees, it costs around 1100 rupees and old ape rr unit with 4 wires is not available easily, instead the latest version with 5 wires is easily available and it costs a few hundred more. 500 rupees ape rr is the duplicate rr and does not last long. don't use it. if rr fails, it puts whole electrical system under extreme stress and parts like BCU, backlit switches and meter unit may fail, which are much costly units, so its not worth the risk for just 500 rupees.



    Oh yes. These days I ride once in a week that too at night mostly. Low battery indicator blinks all the time. Light is very dim, can't even make out the light throw. Main problem is battery draining, secondly the light throw has widen a bit. Sometime I think, things were better with old 35W as it was good for short distance. I had adjusted the reflector in such a way that it produced excellent light throw for riding upto 50kph.

    No matter how much battery is draining, bike starts without any problem.

    Basically math is very simple, in ideal world 35W bulb needs 3 Ah (amps hours) to run @12V 35W=12V x 3 Ah. Similarly 60W bulb would need 60W=12V x 5 Ah. A brand new fully charged battery can provide 9 Ah = 5 Ah x 2 hours.
    Ideally RR should let in more than 6 Ah to run 55/60W bulb properly, which will stop the bulb from pulling energy from battery.
    ^But that's not the case here, we don't live in the ideal world. After 2 years battery can't fill in energy more than half of what's labelled.



    Fortunately it didn't turn out any more severe than that.
    I seriously doubt upgrading to 55W will solve your problem. See, you'll need to spend ~700 for flawless 55W mod job and it won't even guaranty the satisfaction. Some people will suggest to even go for osram night breaker, phillips xtreme vision which will escalate budget by another 500 to 900 Rs. They only offer marginally more brightness than normal halogen. At the end of the day what's halogen stays halogen.

    Probably only solution for you is HID as you ride for minimum 1 hour daily on a dark NH in deadliest city on this planet. A 55W halogen gives ~33-50% more brightness than 35W. but a 35W HID is ~400% more bright than 35W halogen. You should be able to get a decent HID done in 1600.
    Although HID is 35W, to lit it, it's like starting bike's engine, need substantial energy momentarily. I don't see any point recommending for stator coil and RR upgrade in your case as you'll riding on the highway mostly, meaning less times of turning on/off bulb. For major city use, I think, stator and RR upgrades are needed.

    1600 rupees HID are chinese HID of extremely low quality. disadvantage of low quality are--

    • no UV-filter -- it means after some time ur headlight glass will become yellowish and reflector will loose its shine and will even melt. some ppl will say these things don't happen, ask them how much they ride in night. coz i ride almost daily from pune to aamby and back. so while coming back its 1.5 to 2.0 hours total ride in night on highway almost daily. have a look at my reflector which i will change in a few weeks . and mind it mine is original reflector. if by any chance your bike has a duplicate one, even god cant save it.
    • higher current consumption-- means more stress on battery and rr unit and whole electrical system. this means frequent parts failure or atleast early battery replacement.
    • light color-- cheap chinese HID are only available in 6000K or 8000K color temperature. while for rainy season you need 4200K or 5000K max. believe me i have that bluish HID and its useless in rains. u won't see anything.


    my suggestion- buy philips HID, best quality-cost 4500 rupees. invest now on right product and be happy for many miles.



    Try HID without projector as projector is not good at high beam throw. They minimize the glares, yes, but that's the concern for city only riding.




    these cheap chinese HID units or even with projector can be installed in nana peth. i have a few contacts, if you want them. trust me they wont cheat you with quality of parts or quality of workmanship if you go through contacts, but yes they cheat you by some other way.




    I'm still using a pair of bright leds for parking bulbs. Haven't done anything to number plate bulb.



    He works near where I live. Yup we met near hinjewadi on NH4.



    I really can't make it there tomorrow. You could stop by my place on Thursday or any day later any time. I live near Waka d.


    well ... i stay in pimple gurav



    That was possible on UG3 or earlier.
    The stator coil on Eliminator provides electricity directly to bulb as it's AC (not full DC like UG4 pulsar180). Same goes for RR from eliminator, not meant for full DC bike. Another thing, is that eliminator, avengers stator coil are incompatible with UG4 P180 because full DC avenger has 3 phase alternator stator whereas our p180 has single phase only.
    With UG4 the only option is to rewind the coil and upgrade the RR.

    A stator coil costs ~550, whereas rewinding can be done under Rs. 100 or 20 if you do it yourself and it's not like rewinding is any less reliable than a new stator.



    For HID job mechanic ask on G2G thread.

    your bike is P180, i guess, UG3 or 4.

    there are other things apart from DC conversion and that is BCU bypass for starter to function normally.

    i have done this years ago and still using it every night for two hours. if you need further help, buzz me.

    infact, if i am not praising myself, am one of the very few persons in pune who has done this, if i am not wrong.

    only thing is - it is very difficult for me to attend G2G's, thats why we have never met, infact i have met very few xbhpians in pune, may be one or two.

    we can decide and meet if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princesirohi View Post
    ape rr is not available for 500 rupees, it costs around 1100 rupees and old ape rr unit with 4 wires is not available easily, instead the latest version with 5 wires is easily available and it costs a few hundred more. 500 rupees ape rr is the duplicate rr and does not last long. don't use it. if rr fails, it puts whole electrical system under extreme stress and parts like BCU, backlit switches and meter unit may fail, which are much costly units, so its not worth the risk for just 500 rupees.
    I didn't know that, Thanks for filling me.
    Damn, RR is such a simple device, why do they charge such a big premium?

    Quote Originally Posted by princesirohi View Post
    1600 rupees HID are chinese HID of extremely low quality. disadvantage of low quality are--
    no UV-filter -- it means after some time ur headlight glass will become yellowish and reflector will loose its shine and will even melt. some ppl will say these things don't happen, ask them how much they ride in night. coz i ride almost daily from pune to aamby and back. so while coming back its 1.5 to 2.0 hours total ride in night on highway almost daily. have a look at my reflector which i will change in a few weeks . and mind it mine is original reflector. if by any chance your bike has a duplicate one, even god cant save it.
    higher current consumption-- means more stress on battery and rr unit and whole electrical system. this means frequent parts failure or atleast early battery replacement.
    light color-- cheap chinese HID are only available in 6000K or 8000K color temperature. while for rainy season you need 4200K or 5000K max. believe me i have that bluish HID and its useless in rains. u won't see anything.

    my suggestion- buy philips HID, best quality-cost 4500 rupees. invest now on right product and be happy for many miles.
    Philips HID are great but needed to be bought in pairs if I'm not wrong. And one need to buy ballast separately, right?

    What I think, good Chinese HID with proper mod can be as reliable as Philips. It might damage reflector in long run, but then it's cheap to replace. Even with that money one can get a projector as well. My assumptions can be wrong as I haven't done this. But seriously with new RR + Philips HID + separate ballast costs will easily escalate above 7000-8000.

    Quote Originally Posted by princesirohi View Post
    i just stumbled upon this discussion-
    my reply based on personal DIY experiment-
    your bike is P180, i guess, UG3 or 4.
    there are other things apart from DC conversion and that is BCU bypass for starter to function normally.
    i have done this years ago and still using it every night for two hours. if you need further help, buzz me.
    infact, if i am not praising myself, am one of the very few persons in pune who has done this, if i am not wrong.
    only thing is - it is very difficult for me to attend G2G's, thats why we have never met, infact i have met very few xbhpians in pune, may be one or two.
    we can decide and meet if you want.
    We all on UG4 = full DC.
    "BCU bypass for starter"
    what do you mean by 'for starter'? I know BCU bypass for other things.

    I too haven't met anyone except abhichotu.abhi.
    You guys decide when to meet.

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