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    Default Re: Pulsar 220 DTSI

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    True that.

    If you're ever considering a replacement, do go for the handle-bar and suspension mod before doing so, it literally changed the feel of the motorcycles for the better, if you go back to my older posts you'd see that I stopped caring for the motorcycle before the mods as I was finding it cumbersome to ride, but after it I simply can't wait to ride it more, hence the sudden 20k jump in odo read.

    This motorcycle has a lot of untapped handing and highway potential that is just waiting to come out if you give it the chance.



    Contrary to popular belief I've only got good things to say about Castrol, especially the Power 1.
    The only bike that comes to my mind is SF250.
    Simple life with oil cooling, easy Suzuki spares and cheaper servicing.
    Indian components so prices are in check. ABS and a sweet engine with more than decent power and speed for Indian conditions.
    But riding a TS registered bike in MH has it's own headache since MH is not very friendly with othet state vehicles coming in.
    The confusion remains - get NOC and register the 220 here in MH or take it back to Hyd and part ways with it to bring home SF 250.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akash.Yadav View Post
    The only bike that comes to my mind is SF250.
    Simple life with oil cooling, easy Suzuki spares and cheaper servicing.
    Indian components so prices are in check. ABS and a sweet engine with more than decent power and speed for Indian conditions.
    But riding a TS registered bike in MH has it's own headache since MH is not very friendly with othet state vehicles coming in.
    The confusion remains - get NOC and register the 220 here in MH or take it back to Hyd and part ways with it to bring home SF 250.
    The SF still remains Fuel Injected, not a favorite for me.

    Unless you're permanently transferring to Mumbai you could simply ride back home once a couple of months and get PUC done as proof that you(the MC) weren't in MH for more than 11 months.

    That's what I did when I was studying in Bangalore, have a personal requirement that my rides be registered to my hometown.
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    Hey guys, just an observation from my part.

    At 2.5 Turns AFR I get 28kmpl.
    At 1.5 Turns AFR I get 51.5kmpl.

    First time fiddling with the AFR settings in 40k+ kms of ownership. Earlier my autochoke rarely used to work, now it fires up on first start of the day.

    For experimenting I did try from 0.5 turns and upwards, below 1 turns the autochoke fires up every now and then, at 1 turns all was well but after a longer ride the idle would slightly be erratic, at 1.5 turns all is well even after riding for 70kms.

    Didn't bother with a plug chop as this was just a personal experiment done by feel of butt.
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    Default Re: Pulsar 220 DTSI

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    Hey guys, just an observation from my part.

    At 2.5 Turns AFR I get 28kmpl.
    At 1.5 Turns AFR I get 51.5kmpl.

    First time fiddling with the AFR settings in 40k+ kms of ownership. Earlier my autochoke rarely used to work, now it fires up on first start of the day.

    For experimenting I did try from 0.5 turns and upwards, below 1 turns the autochoke fires up every now and then, at 1 turns all was well but after a longer ride the idle would slightly be erratic, at 1.5 turns all is well even after riding for 70kms.

    Didn't bother with a plug chop as this was just a personal experiment done by feel of butt.
    The feelings come out from unexpected places.
    But if Autochoke is coming in too frequent then that's like a notification like - lean mixture.
    Correct?
    I got mine tuned by my trusted mechanic when the idling became high and slightly unstable. Also it was doing pops and bangs going off throttle(I loved it though).
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    Default Re: Pulsar 220 DTSI

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    Hey guys, just an observation from my part.

    At 2.5 Turns AFR I get 28kmpl.
    At 1.5 Turns AFR I get 51.5kmpl.

    First time fiddling with the AFR settings in 40k+ kms of ownership. Earlier my autochoke rarely used to work, now it fires up on first start of the day.

    For experimenting I did try from 0.5 turns and upwards, below 1 turns the autochoke fires up every now and then, at 1 turns all was well but after a longer ride the idle would slightly be erratic, at 1.5 turns all is well even after riding for 70kms.

    Didn't bother with a plug chop as this was just a personal experiment done by feel of butt.
    I don't know what my AFR turns are but I'm getting a pretty decent mileage of 38-39kmpl in the city ( speeds varying mostly from 35 to 60kmph). Have checked the spark plug tip's colour and I saw the tip is clean and the surrounding areas are slightly blackish in colour). Afaik this means neither a rich nor a lean mixture. Engine starts at first crank evert morning and the auto choke also starts along with it. The idle rpm is at 1k and when i bike gets hot the needle jumps to 1.2-1.3k rpm . On the highways I get 45kmpl (when ridden constantly at 80) and 34-36kmpl (when i do 95-105 all day).

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    Quote Originally Posted by @wrickomania View Post
    I don't know what my AFR turns are but I'm getting a pretty decent mileage of 38-39kmpl in the city ( speeds varying mostly from 35 to 60kmph). Have checked the spark plug tip's colour and I saw the tip is clean and the surrounding areas are slightly blackish in colour). Afaik this means neither a rich nor a lean mixture. Engine starts at first crank evert morning and the auto choke also starts along with it. The idle rpm is at 1k and when i bike gets hot the needle jumps to 1.2-1.3k rpm . On the highways I get 45kmpl (when ridden constantly at 80) and 34-36kmpl (when i do 95-105 all day).
    Similar experience for me too.
    City though gets me 320-350 kms per 10 litres of purified crude oil.
    The last longish ride was Hyd-Pune which gave me 50ish kmpl at speeds of 75-90 kmph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akash.Yadav View Post
    The feelings come out from unexpected places.
    But if Autochoke is coming in too frequent then that's like a notification like - lean mixture.
    Correct?
    I got mine tuned by my trusted mechanic when the idling became high and slightly unstable. Also it was doing pops and bangs going off throttle(I loved it though).
    That is my candid version of the "Seat of the Pants" expression.

    Yeah less than one full turn would trigger the autochoke basically every time I start the engine, currently at 1.5 Turns the autochoke works for the first start of the day only, before at 2.5 turns the autochoke seldom worked.

    Ideally the number of turns is simply for reference, the correct means of setting it is by raising idle and starting to open screw from 0.5 turns a quarter turn at a time until RPM is at its highest and starts to settle. For BS4's you'd have to block SAI.

    I simply wanted to set it to as lean as possible without the motorcycle acting up, and so far seems to have managed to get it right, or at least for my location.

    Quote Originally Posted by @wrickomania View Post
    I don't know what my AFR turns are but I'm getting a pretty decent mileage of 38-39kmpl in the city ( speeds varying mostly from 35 to 60kmph). Have checked the spark plug tip's colour and I saw the tip is clean and the surrounding areas are slightly blackish in colour). Afaik this means neither a rich nor a lean mixture. Engine starts at first crank evert morning and the auto choke also starts along with it. The idle rpm is at 1k and when i bike gets hot the needle jumps to 1.2-1.3k rpm . On the highways I get 45kmpl (when ridden constantly at 80) and 34-36kmpl (when i do 95-105 all day).
    Plug chops are more or less unreliable when compared to charts from the pre unleaded era. But the extremities are more or less the same.

    Even at 1.5 turns, I.e the leanest setting without causing the idle to act up, the motorcycle does start at first crank, basically on P220 irrespective of tune the motorcycle starts at first crank from what I've come to find.

    I've never been the recipient of decent FE irrespective of motorcycle as I'm heavy and have a heavy hand i.e my RPM Limit light starts blinking everytime I overtake.

    Yet on the highways at speeds around 110~120kmph with random bursts to 130kmph FE was around 30kmpl(assumption from gross calculation), hence decided to do a reserve to reserve test on regular commute and landed 28kmpl at first and now 51.5kmpl.

    I could obviously ride sedately to get a better FE but that defeats the purpose of safety as I believe you should either be acceleration or decelerating, never coasting and that overtaking should be done with surgical precision and acute swiftness.

    Now coming to my current case, setting AFR as lean as possible means the motor would be running hot and that would compromise cylinder and valve life.

    But I intend to keep it this way due to my belief that leaning out the pilot circuit alone would not cause enough of an impact to cause serious damages, but then I could be wrong.

    P.S. Factory setting as per workshop manual is 2.5 Turns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    Currently at 1.5 Turns the autochoke works for the first start of the day only, before at 2.5 turns the autochoke seldom worked.
    Hi Ashwin ! Doesn't the autochoke in P220 work based on the output from cylinder head temperature sensor? 'It' won't know the AFR number of turns.

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    For BS4's you'd have to block SAI.
    Can you tell me why SAI should be blocked for BS4 ones, especially for the idle drop or best idle/local mechanic ways of adjusting the AFR? I believe SAI injects air into the exhaust port and one has to worry about it only when taking a CO% reading.

    I couldn't find the answer, so assumed the following - Let us know your thoughts.

    1. CO% gas analyser - preferred, fast, accurate and easiest method. Vehicle can be tuned to lowest possible emissions. Costly. DIY'ers can try this method at a pollution check centre. SAI should be blocked because it is easy to play with 2-3.5% (or similar) reading on the gas analyser than the actual recommended 0.7-0.8% (or similar) with SAI on.

    2. Best idle - done by local mechanics. Least environment friendly method but engine is happy . Can't understand the role of SAI.

    3. Idle drop procedure - for service centres with no gas analyser but who have a digital tachometer. Better than method #2 w.r.t emissions. Can't understand the role of SAI.

    P.S. All 3 methods are described in the Honda Common Service Manual but nowadays only #1 and #3 are preferred. Some like TVS and Suzuki recommend AFR re-adjustment by CO analyser only.

    P.S.S. HMSI does recommend blocking the SAI for idle drop method in Hornet 160R but not for Activa 110.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwanth.r View Post
    Hi Ashwin ! Doesn't the autochoke in P220 work based on the output from cylinder head temperature sensor? 'It' won't know the AFR number of turns.
    Hey Ashwanth,

    The motorcycle is said to trigger auto-choke keeping in mind the 30 degree threshold, but personally I've seen it fire up when the finger stays on the starter a tad too long.

    With the AFR tuned very lean i.e less than 1 Turns AFR the autochoke kicks in when I start the motorcycle in the morning, then it again comes on after I've stopped to have breakfast at a hotel. At the factory recommended 2.5 turns the autochoke rarely comes on, doesn't turn on on cold starts and now at 1.5 turns it only comes on first thing in the morning and stays off for the rest of the day.

    And its raining here these days, so you see why I can't pin point what parameters the thing considers, though I know for sure that temp is part of the process as mentioned in the workshop manual.

    Can you tell me why SAI should be blocked for BS4 ones, especially for the idle drop or best idle/local mechanic ways of adjusting the AFR? I believe SAI injects air into the exhaust port and one has to worry about it only when taking a CO% reading.

    I couldn't find the answer, so assumed the following - Let us know your thoughts.

    1. CO% gas analyser - preferred, fast, accurate and easiest method. Vehicle can be tuned to lowest possible emissions. Costly. DIY'ers can try this method at a pollution check centre. SAI should be blocked because it is easy to play with 2-3.5% (or similar) reading on the gas analyser than the actual recommended 0.7-0.8% (or similar) with SAI on.

    2. Best idle - done by local mechanics. Least environment friendly method but engine is happy . Can't understand the role of SAI.

    3. Idle drop procedure - for service centres with no gas analyser but who have a digital tachometer. Better than method #2 w.r.t emissions. Can't understand the role of SAI.

    P.S. All 3 methods are described in the Honda Common Service Manual but nowadays only #1 and #3 are preferred. Some like TVS and Suzuki recommend AFR re-adjustment by CO analyser only.

    P.S.S. HMSI does recommend blocking the SAI for idle drop method in Hornet 160R but not for Activa 110.
    On my ZMA with the SAI connected the RPM needle would always be erratic at higher revs and hence it would be hard to tune the carburetor.

    Block it with a ball bearing and all is well. Never gave it much thought.

    Maybe @sibun would be able to explain this.

    Call me lazy or careless but I simply don't bother with the specifics these days, the leanest setting that lets the idle remain steady after a 50+km's spirited run is all that I care about.
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    Default Re: Pulsar 220 DTSI

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinprakas View Post
    On my ZMA with the SAI connected the RPM needle would always be erratic at higher revs and hence it would be hard to tune the carburetor.
    Ops. I conveniently forgot that motorcycles (except NS160) derive the SAI air from the airfilter box. On the Activa (and NS160), this comes from the environment via a separate line and secondary foam filter. May be the 'pulses of air' from the filter box taken by the SAI moves the RPM up and down slightly.


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