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    Triumph Rocket III review in India by xBhp When Devil chose the Number 3 : Triumph Rocket 3 First Impression


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    Assuming that Street Triple will cost around ₹7.8 lakhs ex showroom in Bangalore (₹30k more than Delhi) and going by the quotes of N650 by @icemang, Street Triple will cost around ₹8.52 lakhs. This is my first automobile purchase so I'm not sure about my assumption. Does this look right?

    PS: I had exactly 8 lakhs to throw for Triumph on the launch date & these estimates are a little disappointing but I guess, I'll manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kochumvk View Post
    There is a device called "Wind Blast gauge" to do that.

    Why are you so restless brother. don't get into anything and everything.Its seriously boring.

    its very simple, if you are tired after a long ride too much because wind blast is too much is one measure of it, "its no big deal" is another.
    Relax buddy...
    according to me wind blast is manageable up to 110-120....
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    Just to put it on record,

    Triumph will have 9 dealerships across India by the end of this fiscal year. This will be achieved in 2 phases. The first phase will see dealerships opening in Bangalore and Hyderabad in December. Triumph Delhi and Mumbai dealerships will be opening by January 2014.

    Bookings will start by second week of December for all the bikes and the deliveries will start by first week of January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkknight View Post
    Icemang You and I both know very well the economies of the individual country matter as well:

    for ex a vada pav in UK costs 3 pounds compared to 10 rs. here

    well doesn't apply directly here but still you cannot compare the price based directly on this model even though this is a manufacturing/assembling factory.

    1)parts coming from thailand.Because of FTA with thailand already much lesser duties are applicable.

    2)assembling here.The manpower costs are way lower but they could apportion over setting up the manufacturing facility.

    3)inflation from jan 2012 to dec 2013 an increase in price of 2L on street triple certainly doesnt match up.

    If apples are compared then a ninja 650 coming here at such price through the same modus operandi definitely proves its the creamy layer that triumph is targeting maybe for more ebidta or maybe to cover up the manufacturing and initial set up costs for 3-5 year window.

    all said and done my personal opinion says there shouldn't have been an increase of more than 10-12% over declared prices in 2012 which were:
    Bonneville INR 5.50 Lakh
    Street Triple 675 INR 5.75 Lakh
    Daytona 675 INR 7.00 Lakh
    Speed Triple INR 8.00 Lakh
    Tiger 800XC INR 11.40 Lakh
    Storm INR 17.00 Lakh
    Rocket III Roadster INR 22.00 Lakh

    Anyways I am gonna see bonni in pune or rajkot soon so all the best for that
    @darkknight. That vada pav one was as tasty as the actual stuff. I remember somebody on a shoestring tour of Europe agonising over a street-side ice cream for EUR 4 which was about Rs 250 then. 250 bucks for an ice cream cone!

    I think that a large number of us lose sight, at times, that Triumph (both the bike and the bra!) are premium BRANDS right across their portfolio. The Bonneville too IS a relatively premium brand and I have my serious doubts as to how many riders would be able to afford the machine even in the UK. Certainly not college-goers and young professionals just into a job. And willy-nilly, one has to pay premium prices for premium brands. Period.

    I tend to agree with you on the company spreading the costs of land acquisition, tooling up, installation of factory and dealers and the entire complex SCM process on the exotics from the Daytona upwards. I don't know about the duty structure with Thailand for such kits. If the kits are coming from an SEZ, then the prices would be high, I suppose.

    IMO, the Ninja 650 is more on a plane with the Street Triple than the Daytona, leave alone the Daytona R. And yet, the Street Triple is leagues ahead in performance - 105bhp vs the Ninja's 71. So we are talking about apples and oranges...

    All the models above the Bonneville platform seem to adopt some price skimming strategy, to some extent. The enhanced aspirational value of the Daytona seems to have given some license to the company to pitch it high.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcgamer View Post
    @icemang Taking another look, Kawa is selling N650 for 5.01L ex-showroom, which is $8K MSRP in USA. Going by that calculation, $13.5K MSRP D675R should have been 8.45L ex-showroom. Why the 3L boost considering both are CKD units? Also, Triumph is an established brand in UK. People will buy a Triumph over a foreign brand if the competitor is priced similarly or a bit lower. I've seen such sentiments in the Brits at least when it comes to the automobiles. But they're only opening their shop here. They should have considered offering good introductory prices on all their models. They could have capitalized on the fact that they are the first to bring a mid weight supersport to India and could have bagged in a lot of sales through great pricing. Instead, they chose the opposite direction and took the greedy way and tried to take advantage of that same fact that there are no competitors to them in that category and tried to make some 'dirty bucks' on the models which most people seem to show interest on, especially the young enthusiasts. 13.5L on road is in no way justifiable IMO for a CKD model when 1000cc CBU models are available for 18L on road.
    @pcgamer. I am tempted to echo HyperRetard's comment here as you do not seem to realise the existential difference between a normal middleweight Jap bike like the Ninja 650 and a high performance one like the Daytona. Reading the spec sheet of the two should make matters clearer. You have addressed your post to me therefore I am obliged to reply.

    Also, if the world was a fair place, with perfect competition and perfect economies, the Daytona would have cost the same in India as it does in the US. I myself don't know the intricate details of global manufacturing and shipping and off-shore assembly so shall not attempt to pull a fast one here by shooting my mouth off.

    India thinks thru its wallet. Therefore, we can easily make comparisons between the Bonneville and the Ninja 650 as we thrive on VFM. Today, in India, the competitor to every middleweight bike, regardless of gizmos and gadgetry and traction control and what have you is the Ninja 650 purely on account the hole in the pocket. I too had made a deal with myself. If the Bonneville exceeded my ceiling of 6L ESR, I would not take it and carry on with my combo of CBR 250 and Pulsar 150 Classic. Thankfully, it has not. Yet, I am thinking about the OTR too. And at my stage and age, I do think it worthwhile to allow myself the additional 70K odd extra to acquire a motorcycle I will ride till I croak. Simple.

    Sir, it does not behoove a member to use terms like "dirty bucks". Even as we debate here, there would be hard-working persons trying to put aside the amount for the Daytona, like I have done for the Bonneville. I am sure their money is not dirty and that they are willing to pay the high price to own what is the best middleweight bike in the world - the Daytona R. Not my words, the words of most professional bike forums and magazines.

    Yes, it hurts that the price of the bike is significantly higher at launch that what was promised. Perhaps, the standard Daytona will redress the grievance to some extent. We should wait for that bit of news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadyabhi View Post
    Assuming that Street Triple will cost around ₹7.8 lakhs ex showroom in Bangalore (₹30k more than Delhi) and going by the quotes of N650 by @icemang, Street Triple will cost around ₹8.52 lakhs. This is my first automobile purchase so I'm not sure about my assumption. Does this look right?

    PS: I had exactly 8 lakhs to throw for Triumph on the launch date & these estimates are a little disappointing but I guess, I'll manage.

    Street Triple will be 7.6L Ex-showroom Bangalore. Add Road tax of 13.3% and Insurance of ~15K plus dealership charges of 5K. Should cost you 8.8L On-road Bangalore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kochumvk View Post
    There is a device called "Wind Blast gauge" to do that.

    Why are you so restless brother. don't get into anything and everything.Its seriously boring.

    its very simple, if you are tired after a long ride too much because wind blast is too much is one measure of it, "its no big deal" is another.


    Your post is fundamentally incorrect at each and every level, as I would now like to explain.

    1: There is no such thing as a wind blast gauge. Period.

    2: I do believe that what you are referring to is the Wind Tunnel.

    3: Wind tunnel is used for doing aerodynamic testing. Of the Vehicle. The result when calculated gives the drag coefficient. For example Ferrari F12Berlinetta is 30% more fuel efficient as to the predecessor, courtesy a less drag.

    4: Every rider has different dimensions, so the results will be different for different rider will be different. Thus you cant measure drag in a bike, unlike in a car. Also on a bike, more than one positions are possible, crouched, upright, etc etc, so there goes you logic.

    5: Lastly it is about getting a wind tunnel in the first place. A wind tunnel costs 40-50 million US $ to build. F1 Framework: Inside wind tunnels Can Triumph afford it???

    And as for me being restless, my posts per day is 0.18. Talk about being restless. And go get a life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icemang View Post
    @darkknight. That vada pav one was as tasty as the actual stuff. I remember somebody on a shoestring tour of Europe agonising over a street-side ice cream for EUR 4 which was about Rs 250 then. 250 bucks for an ice cream cone!

    .
    you got me wrong on the ninja.

    I was not comparing bikes.

    was comparing the mode of operation of getting ninja here and selling it and yet pricing it sanely.

    It too is bought in ckd from thailand assembled here and sold, same what triumph is gonna do so the justification of pricing it higher than what was declared goes to show that either they grossly miscalculated stating up operations in India (quite possible) or they want to cash in more profits now or probably adjust the prices such way that whatever plans they might have submitted to management are justified.

    all depends on response now and I feel they are in for a rude shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icemang View Post
    @darkknight. That vada pav one was as tasty as the actual stuff. I remember somebody on a shoestring tour of Europe agonising over a street-side ice cream for EUR 4 which was about Rs 250 then. 250 bucks for an ice cream cone!

    I think that a large number of us lose sight, at times, that Triumph (both the bike and the bra!) are premium BRANDS right across their portfolio. The Bonneville too IS a relatively premium brand and I have my serious doubts as to how many riders would be able to afford the machine even in the UK. Certainly not college-goers and young professionals just into a job. And willy-nilly, one has to pay premium prices for premium brands. Period.

    I tend to agree with you on the company spreading the costs of land acquisition, tooling up, installation of factory and dealers and the entire complex SCM process on the exotics from the Daytona upwards. I don't know about the duty structure with Thailand for such kits. If the kits are coming from an SEZ, then the prices would be high, I suppose.

    IMO, the Ninja 650 is more on a plane with the Street Triple than the Daytona, leave alone the Daytona R. And yet, the Street Triple is leagues ahead in performance - 105bhp vs the Ninja's 71. So we are talking about apples and oranges...

    All the models above the Bonneville platform seem to adopt some price skimming strategy, to some extent. The enhanced aspirational value of the Daytona seems to have given some license to the company to pitch it high.


    @pcgamer. I am tempted to echo HyperRetard's comment here as you do not seem to realise the existential difference between a normal middleweight Jap bike like the Ninja 650 and a high performance one like the Daytona. Reading the spec sheet of the two should make matters clearer. You have addressed your post to me therefore I am obliged to reply.

    Also, if the world was a fair place, with perfect competition and perfect economies, the Daytona would have cost the same in India as it does in the US. I myself don't know the intricate details of global manufacturing and shipping and off-shore assembly so shall not attempt to pull a fast one here by shooting my mouth off.

    India thinks thru its wallet. Therefore, we can easily make comparisons between the Bonneville and the Ninja 650 as we thrive on VFM. Today, in India, the competitor to every middleweight bike, regardless of gizmos and gadgetry and traction control and what have you is the Ninja 650 purely on account the hole in the pocket. I too had made a deal with myself. If the Bonneville exceeded my ceiling of 6L ESR, I would not take it and carry on with my combo of CBR 250 and Pulsar 150 Classic. Thankfully, it has not. Yet, I am thinking about the OTR too. And at my stage and age, I do think it worthwhile to allow myself the additional 70K odd extra to acquire a motorcycle I will ride till I croak. Simple.

    Sir, it does not behoove a member to use terms like "dirty bucks". Even as we debate here, there would be hard-working persons trying to put aside the amount for the Daytona, like I have done for the Bonneville. I am sure their money is not dirty and that they are willing to pay the high price to own what is the best middleweight bike in the world - the Daytona R. Not my words, the words of most professional bike forums and magazines.

    Yes, it hurts that the price of the bike is significantly higher at launch that what was promised. Perhaps, the standard Daytona will redress the grievance to some extent. We should wait for that bit of news.
    I don't know which comment of HyperRetard you are talking about..

    Anyway, it seems you have misread most of my sentences. Let me make myself clear.
    1. I never said that the Daytona and the Ninja are the same bikes. I very well know the differences between a sport tourer and supersport. Never did I say that both of them need to be priced equally. What I meant was D675 costs 1.6875 times the N650 in the USA. If the same scale of pricing would have been applied here in India, it would have cost 8.45 Lakh(i.e N650's 5.01L*1.6875). I never said that the D675R should cost 5L like the Ninja. I don't see any reason why that same scale cannot be applied here as both face similar percentage of taxes, both being CKD.

    2. I never said that the Daytona should cost the same here as in USA. D675R costs 8.45L on road in USA. If the pricing scale that I mentioned in point 1 is followed, it would have become 8.45L ex-showroom/10.15L on road in India. If Kawa managed to get a $8K bike to India at 5.01L ex-sh, then Triumph should definitely be able to bring it at 8.45L ex-sh as both are CKD. Not to mention Kawa isn't making any losses by selling the bike at that price. The costs added are on the basis of percentage. So, the price should increase in a multiplicative way. If economics are to be brought up here, why only Daytona is affected and not the Ninja?

    3. By the term 'dirty bucks', I didn't mean that the money that the customers spend is dirty. What I meant was that the way that Triumph is making those extra bucks is dirty by overpricing some models. Also, no need to address me as 'sir'

    I think you have not taken a look at the pricing difference between the models. If the weaking INR and other taxes are to be blamed, the price increase would have been linear across all the models. But Daytona shows the steepest increase. Even if the non R daytona is considered, it won't be cheaper than 10L and even at that point, the increase stands at 42.86% which is the highest which clearly shows Triumph's intention of making more money due to the lack of competition.

    PS By multiplying the numbers, I'm giving the advantage to Triumph, not the other way around.
    For e.g,(All the numbers quoted are just as an example, I don't know the exact tax percentage) if the prices of both the bikes in USA are considered as base prices for both i.e 500657 for Ninja with today's exchange rate and 844902 for D675R, both will face similar taxes as they follow similar CKD routes. Assuming that 20% tax is applicable here,
    N650's cost becomes 500657+20% = 600788
    D675's cost becomes 844902+20% = 1013882

    Thc N650's on road price is within the amount obtained. The D675's on road price is about 3.5L more than the number obtained.

    Considering the actual OTR price of N650 of 547831 mentioned by you, Ninja is being sold for 9.42% more than the US price.
    Considering D675R's OTR of 1350000, it is being sold for 33.15% more than the US price.
    If it was for taxes or the INR or our country's economy alone, the difference wouldn't have been so steep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunilg View Post
    Just to put it on record,

    Triumph will have 9 dealerships across India by the end of this fiscal year. This will be achieved in 2 phases. The first phase will see dealerships opening in Bangalore and Hyderabad in December. Triumph Delhi and Mumbai dealerships will be opening by January 2014.

    Bookings will start by second week of December for all the bikes and the deliveries will start by first week of January.
    so how does one book in NCR ??

    cheers

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