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    Default Re: Triumph Motorcycles Launch 10 motorcycles in India : Price, specs and more

    Quote Originally Posted by Naveen1985 View Post
    This whole shit has proved 1 thing very clearly, that our so called experts who review new bikes and compare them are also cheaters. Dont know how on earth they all were comparing street triple with z800 which is atleast 30% more powerful than street triple and still they were bragging and praising both the bikes like both are equal in performance. Dont know how they did not felt that difference while riding them back to back ???

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    Well, first of all the so called veteran automag journos are not really veterans. May be relative to us, but compared to their global peers these guys lag behind in experience, which is understandable. The true character of a bike can only be seen on a racetrack. Given the paucity of tracks in India guys only get to ride on roads. So these experts do not have too much track time under their belt and that will show. The Euros and Yankee's too often have a bike dedicated solely for track usage.
    To their defense most if not all(I think all but can't be sure) test ride bikes had the arrow exhaust which boosted up the figures a bit and don't forget the Z800 is a porky bike, so after the arrow exhaust boost, the power to weight ratio is almost the same for streeple and Zed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naveen1985 View Post
    This whole shit has proved 1 thing very clearly, that our so called experts who review new bikes and compare them are also cheaters. Dont know how on earth they all were comparing street triple with z800 which is atleast 30% more powerful than street triple and still they were bragging and praising both the bikes like both are equal in performance. Dont know how they did not felt that difference while riding them back to back ???

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    Ehh let's not be too hard on them. As already explained, the test bikes were with Arrow exhaust. That changes a lot of things. From what I have heard, Arrow exhaust and good fuel will take the power to 100 bhp range (something to do with the way detuning was done).

    Besides even though low on power, the street triple also weighs ~50 kgs less. That counts for a lot. Throw in Arrow exhaust and it is not difficult to understand the mistake on the part of the journos.

    Let's us be a little careful on casting aspersions on someone. Whether they are cheaters or genuinely mistaken is definitely not"clear".
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    I've heard from one of my biker buddy, that Triumph is planning to reduce some 2L on ST after all this mess-up

    What a news if its true, anyone else heard anything like this?
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    ^^^Do you really think Arrow exhausts alone can increase power from 79 to 105 BHP (106 or whatever)?

    More to this Natak : This Saturday the Hyderabad Showroom offered to buy back all Striples ( only STs mind it), but later took back the offer since TH feared everyone in the country would ask for the same. They later replaced the buyback with goodies to which none agreed.

    Race dynamics was flashing on FB regarding threats from TH after dynoing their bikes in light of this fiasco.
    Their approach for sure is to delay things so that everyone "Forgives and forgets" .

    Their official statement never apologized but termed it as "consumer confusions" and never came out in open to mend the huge damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty_mechs View Post
    From what I have heard, Arrow exhaust and good fuel will take the power to 100 bhp range (something to do with the way detuning was done).
    Do you really think a slipon & 97RON fuel can increase 22BHP power? You must be kidding mate. A slip on can add a max of 3 to 5 PS of power and a high RON fuel can add top end. Even using PC5 cannot bump up power to 100 from stock 78BHP.

    Besides even though low on power, the street triple also weighs ~50 kgs less. That counts for a lot. Throw in Arrow exhaust and it is not difficult to understand the mistake on the part of the journos.
    Street triple sold in india weighs 188KG (not 183) and Z800 weighs 230. That's a difference of 42KG. I am not saying Z800 is better because i own it. Both are good bikes in their own way and i would definitely buy ST in future- may be STR.
    Automag guys don't have an access to dyno and rely on company provided figures. They don't test extensively on track and will be busy capturing pics. So i would blame them too because top speed talks about the power a bike makes. Brazilian 85PS ST tops at 215 where as euro spec 106PS can cross 240.

    Triumph India has done this intentionally and no doubt about that. They have to either compensate existing owners by refunding few lacs or else refund full amount. A slip on + arrow map is not a solution. If a customer has paid for a 106PS bike then he/she should get a 106PS bike. Blaming ARAI, fuel quality or a customer is unacceptable.
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    Default Re: Triumph Motorcycles Launch 10 motorcycles in India : Price, specs and more

    Quote Originally Posted by djay99 View Post
    Do you really think a slipon & 97RON fuel can increase 22BHP power? You must be kidding mate. A slip on can add a max of 3 to 5 PS of power and a high RON fuel can add top end. Even using PC5 cannot bump up power to 100 from stock 78BHP.


    Street triple sold in india weighs 188KG (not 183) and Z800 weighs 230. That's a difference of 42KG. I am not saying Z800 is better because i own it. Both are good bikes in their own way and i would definitely buy ST in future- may be STR.
    Automag guys don't have an access to dyno and rely on company provided figures. They don't test extensively on track and will be busy capturing pics. So i would blame them too because top speed talks about the power a bike makes. Brazilian 85PS ST tops at 215 where as euro spec 106PS can cross 240.

    Triumph India has done this intentionally and no doubt about that. They have to either compensate existing owners by refunding few lacs or else refund full amount. A slip on + arrow map is not a solution. If a customer has paid for a 106PS bike then he/she should get a 106PS bike. Blaming ARAI, fuel quality or a customer is unacceptable.
    Let's discuss what the learning from this fiasco should be :

    a. So called developed countries' manufacturers should start giving a damn about India in terms of Quality and not just in terms of minting money. They very well line up on our shores when it comes to making profit but still seem to think they can get away by supplying anything.

    b. The Indian automotive industry and regulating authority should become more aware and press for mandatory and precise checking of the automobiles sold in our country. Manufacturers should be made to attach proper proofs like Dyno run reports along with the brochures etc to support their claims for their vehicles.

    c. Indian automotive magazines should take this as a wake-up call and invest in precise and more involving reviews. Do track and Dyno runs of vehicles, clock decent kms on the Odo and then only open your mouth to praise/criticize a product. If they say Dyno/track runs are expensive to do , then sorry but that should be your investment. Any tom,dick and harry can review a bike with just words and pics.

    d. By standing strong against Triumph, Indian buyers should make sure that no such thing happens in the future. If we pay for something (and we pay way more owing to our tax structure), we should get exactly the same thing. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djay99 View Post
    Do you really think a slipon & 97RON fuel can increase 22BHP power? You must be kidding mate. A slip on can add a max of 3 to 5 PS of power and a high RON fuel can add top end. Even using PC5 cannot bump up power to 100 from stock 78BHP.
    Heh heh no I am not delusional. The huge jump in the power is the first thing I asked.
    Just that a friend who owns a Speed is in constant touch with the dealer. What he was told is that this had something to do with detuning procedure. This guy also explained a bit in detail but I couldn't make head or tails out of it, technically illiterate you see.

    This might just be hogwash, but frankly I have no idea about tuning or the parameters that can be altered to achieve the effect. People here can perhaps shed some light on it.

    Your point about customers being given what they paid for is spot on. Its not about being able to use the power or the road conditions. It is about unfair business practice and downright cheating.

    As for top speed, are you sure? When I was thinking of buying a Street I did some searching on top speed. It seemed that the top whack was always around 220 kmph or so. But i might be mistaken as it was around 4-5 months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rusty_mechs View Post
    Heh heh no I am not delusional. The huge jump in the power is the first thing I asked.
    Just that a friend who owns a Speed is in constant touch with the dealer. What he was told is that this had something to do with detuning procedure. This guy also explained a bit in detail but I couldn't make head or tails out of it, technically illiterate you see.

    This might just be hogwash, but frankly I have no idea about tuning or the parameters that can be altered to achieve the effect. People here can perhaps shed some light on it.

    Your point about customers being given what they paid for is spot on. Its not about being able to use the power or the road conditions. It is about unfair business practice and downright cheating.

    As for top speed, are you sure? When I was thinking of buying a Street I did some searching on top speed. It seemed that the top whack was always around 220 kmph or so. But i might be mistaken as it was around 4-5 months ago.
    See there are some difference in hardware of brazilian and EU street triples. Exhaust, valve, map and few more stuff (i guess headers). I would not call ST case as detuning. Detuning will usually yield lower power figures by 3 to 5 PS or max 10PS. Here they have bought a different bike and then they detuned for indian conditions and tried to sell it with exaggerated power figures. If a 106PS bike yields 102PS due to deutning, people would have not complained but here we are talking about 27PS and that's way too much reduction.

    I have watched few videos where brazilian spec 85PS ST did 215 to 220kmph (with 95RON fuel). Indian ST with 91RON can do ~210 & an EU spec ST touched 250KMPH mark which had arrow exhaust and was running on 95RON fuel. Indian ST with arrow & a remap can touch 230kmph.

    OT: On a recent ride i was doing 165KMPH on my Z800 in 3rd gear at 11000 RPM. Redline is @ 12000 RPM and i guess i can cross 240 in 6th gear.
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    Default Re: Triumph Motorcycles Launch 10 motorcycles in India : Price, specs and more

    Differences :

    Exhaust including header
    Intake
    Cams


    A 106 ps street cam do a true 230 plus

    And yes you can cross an indicated 240.


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