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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by MotoBlizzard View Post
    You dint get my point.
    The point is dual channel abs always is more safer than single channel abs. And ktm being a premium brand should've provided dual channel abs as standard .

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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    With any bike, the front wheel provides at least 70% of the bike's braking capability, and during an emergency stop that number can rise to 100%, especially on a small, lightweight bike. Adding a channel for the rear brake is relatively pointless, and only adds to the price.
    In India, many people don't even dare to touch the front brake and jam really hard on the rear brake. They do it so hard that I've seen people lock their 130 mm rear drum brake but still won't touch the front brake. For them, the front brake is a switch for a portal to the hell. To such people, the front ABS is completely pointless. For them, even if you give them the best ABS solution in the world for the front wheel, they practically have no ABS as they won't touch the front brake.

    Coming to the point that MotoBlizzard tried to make, there are instances where the rear locks up and fishtails despite using both brakes. I've never locked my front, even while hard braking on Eurogrip tyres (they are known tp skid and lock up very easily) but on normal braking, have locked up my rear on a comparitively decent rear tyre.

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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by #bpk View Post
    The point is dual channel abs always is more safer than single channel abs. And ktm being a premium brand should've provided dual channel abs as standard .
    where are you getting info that it is a single channel abs ? i doubt anybody has actually seen the bike in person and giving that info.
    ktm's website at the moment seems to have removed the d200's spec/page.. maybe they are updating it or something.
    most likely it is a dual channel abs is my guess, because iirc it already had the dual channel abs in some markets.
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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by s1d View Post
    where are you getting info that it is a single channel abs ? i doubt anybody has actually seen the bike in person and giving that info.
    ktm's website at the moment seems to have removed the d200's spec/page.. maybe they are updating it or something.
    most likely it is a dual channel abs is my guess, because iirc it already had the dual channel abs in some markets.
    Let's see, if they launch dual channel abs or single channel. By the increment in price from non abs model, it'll be a single channel one.
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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by #bpk View Post
    Let's see, if they launch dual channel abs or single channel. By the increment in price from non abs model, it'll be a single channel one.
    haha dont worry about the price.. bajaj is know to be competitive/smart with prices, and not only that over time the 200's price has gone up significantly. rest assured it is most likely the dual channel abs model that was being sold in export markets. i don't think they will develop a separate single channel abs module just for India.
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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by s1d View Post
    haha dont worry about the price.. bajaj is know to be competitive/smart with prices, and not only that over time the 200's price has gone up significantly. rest assured it is most likely the dual channel abs model that was being sold in export markets. i don't think they will develop a separate single channel abs module just for India.
    Let's see, dual channel abs is definitely best in terms safety than half abs systems. I think they'll source single channel kit from rs/ns and will put in duke.

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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Just now I bought ktm Duke 250 without ABS.

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    They should phase out the non-ABS versions already, just like Dominar. While non ABS is 9k cheaper, it's not safe enough.
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    I don't understand why ABS is being given too much importance. Yeah.... I've ridden bikes with ABS and felt the difference but it cannot save from all situations. It will not compensate for one's lack of skill/noobishness. It is not like the bikes without ABS are not safe at all; they are not killinga machines. They are just not as safe as bikes with ABS.

    ABS is like a bulletproof vest. It decreases the chance of being killed but does not make a person immortal.

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    Default Re: 2018 KTM Duke 200 'ABS' launched in India at Rs. 1.6L ex-s.

    Quote Originally Posted by ayrus View Post
    In India, many people don't even dare to touch the front brake and jam really hard on the rear brake. They do it so hard that I've seen people lock their 130 mm rear drum brake but still won't touch the front brake. For them, the front brake is a switch for a portal to the hell. To such people, the front ABS is completely pointless. For them, even if you give them the best ABS solution in the world for the front wheel, they practically have no ABS as they won't touch the front brake.

    Coming to the point that MotoBlizzard tried to make, there are instances where the rear locks up and fishtails despite using both brakes. I've never locked my front, even while hard braking on Eurogrip tyres (they are known tp skid and lock up very easily) but on normal braking, have locked up my rear on a comparitively decent rear tyre.
    The first issue you mention can only be fixed through rider education, and it is clear that needs to happen. For the second, locking the rear is inescapable simply due to the dynamics of two-wheeled vehicles. As you brake, weight is transferred forwards due to inertia; less and less weight is carried by the rear wheel, to the point that the rear wheel lifts completely off the pavement. Obviously, you cannot lift the rear wheel when only using the rear brake, but even then, you will still experience weight transfer, and the rear brake will only be capable of producing 30% of the total braking capacity the bike is capable of. When using both brakes, the rear can assist on loose surfaces, and can still contribute at least some braking on hard surfaces, but it should be viewed as an assist, not as a primary brake.

    And yes, ABS is "nice to have" for the rear, but again, the 200 is supposed to be a cheap, entry-level bike aimed at beginning riders who want something that looks cooler than most of the little bikes on the market. It's primary market outside India is the 16-year-old beginning rider in the UK or Continental Europe who isn't allowed by their country's licensing system to own anything bigger, and/or whose parents don't want them riding something beyond their abilities. Putting a dual-channel ABS system is an additional expense that can push the bike out of some buyers' budget. It's unfortunate that India gets impacted, but it's also impractical for the manufacturer to build two versions of the same bike, especially at that price point, even though India will likely buy many more than Europe will in terms of raw numbers.
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