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    Okay guys i was almost on the verge of buying a bike last year .But plans got scrapped due to a new car in the family ,the Honda city.but the rider bug in me couldn't stay away for long.so finally parents have agreed to book my bike on my birthday i.e. 4 August.
    I've had short TD's on certain bikes but most of them were purely stupid

    Okay something about me and my usage pattern first :

    Height 5.8
    Weight 85 kg
    budget 1.3 lakh
    Daily usage 25kms
    weekend usage 30kms
    90% of riding would be in city only

    Needs:
    An awesome looker
    Decent FE(not a big deal +\-35 would be okay)
    rare trips to service centers
    Good performance


    Bikes Shortlisted:


    FZ-16/Fazer

    Cheap(relative)
    Hassle free
    Decent efficiency
    good pickup
    but very very common

    Not a good contender


    R15
    Costly(read: Max budget)
    Awesome looker
    Technologically advanced
    worry about mileage


    the Best contender



    Pulsar 220F
    Proven
    Fastest Indian
    But very common again
    reliability issues heard of


    Okayish contender



    Pulsar 200NS
    cheap(relative)
    new technology
    Not tried and tested
    good reviews


    good contender



    PS: i don't have a flair for cruisers,not will i be touring, so Enfields and avengers aren't considered. Don't like the RTR either. i know considering my usage a R15 doesnt suit the needs but i dont know .inside i have that thing for R15 especially V2









    Please suggest me something very fast because i have exactly one week i.e. next Saturday i ll be booking it.
    Thank You
    Regards,
    XTC

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    • #3
      if most of the times you gonna ride alone then close your eyes & go for R15V2 otherwise take a pillion rider along with you on TD & ask if he/she is comfortable on it..& if not,then only go for any other bike(say P200NS) under your given budget..
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      • #4
        Originally posted by xtc View Post
        Okay guys i was almost on the verge of buying a bike last year .But plans got scrapped due to a new car in the family ,the Honda city.but the rider bug in me couldn't stay away for long.so finally parents have agreed to book my bike on my birthday i.e. 4 August.
        I've had short TD's on certain bikes but most of them were purely stupid

        Okay something about me and my usage pattern first :

        Height 5.8
        Weight 85 kg
        budget 1.3 lakh
        Daily usage 25kms
        weekend usage 30kms
        90% of riding would be in city only

        Needs:
        An awesome looker
        Decent FE(not a big deal +\-35 would be okay)
        rare trips to service centers
        Good performance


        Bikes Shortlisted:


        FZ-16/Fazer

        Cheap(relative)
        Hassle free
        Decent efficiency
        good pickup
        but very very common

        Not a good contender


        R15
        Costly(read: Max budget)
        Awesome looker
        Technologically advanced
        worry about mileage


        the Best contender



        Pulsar 220F
        Proven
        Fastest Indian
        But very common again
        reliability issues heard of


        Okayish contender



        Pulsar 200NS
        cheap(relative)
        new technology
        Not tried and tested
        good reviews


        good contender



        PS: i don't have a flair for cruisers,not will i be touring, so Enfields and avengers aren't considered. Don't like the RTR either. i know considering my usage a R15 doesnt suit the needs but i dont know .inside i have that thing for R15 especially V2









        Please suggest me something very fast because i have exactly one week i.e. next Saturday i ll be booking it.
        Thank You
        Regards,
        XTC
        hey , your answer is there only with your question
        your heart is beating only for R15 V2.0 it is an awesome bike with decent FE [ 40-45 sane driving and ~35 for red liner driving ] but the only thing is your usage since your usage is 90% in the city traffic you have to adjust yourself according to R15's seating posture. TD other bikes also you willl know more cons & pros of all bikes and then decide
        Ride Safe

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        • #5
          Originally posted by xtc View Post
          i know considering my usage a R15 doesnt suit the needs but i dont know .inside i have that thing for R15 especially V2

          If you have "That Thing" for the R15 V2.0.. then go ahead and get "That Thing".. don't think twice.




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          • #6
            Originally posted by xtc View Post
            Height 5.8
            Weight 85 kg
            budget 1.3 lakh
            Daily usage 25kms
            weekend usage 30kms
            90% of riding would be in city only
            Needs:
            An awesome looker
            Decent FE(not a big deal +\-35 would be okay)
            rare trips to service centers
            Good performance
            Bikes Shortlisted:

            R15
            Costly(read: Max budget)
            Awesome looker
            Technologically advanced
            worry about mileage
            the Best contender

            Pulsar 200NS
            cheap(relative)
            new technology
            Not tried and tested
            good reviews
            good contender
            PS: i don't have a flair for cruisers,not will i be touring, so Enfields and avengers aren't considered. Don't like the RTR either. i know considering my usage a R15 doesnt suit the needs but i dont know .inside i have that thing for R15 especially V2
            Please suggest me something very fast because i have exactly one week i.e. next Saturday i ll be booking it.
            Thank You
            Regards,
            XTC
            You wont' be doing tours or long rides, purely a city ride!!

            But why Duke is not in the list ??

            Is this has something do with looks ??

            I see you are more towards looks, becuase you directly pinned on R15 and especially V2.0

            Yes it's an awesome bike but i guess you should go for R15 only if you are die hard fan of R15's every bit!! It won't give you anything less than 35kmpl under any condition, say high speeds or daily city rides.

            But INMO you should go with Duke, it has advance technology too. It's short gear ratio is more comfortable in city, 200cc more better than R15. Especially DUKE is more nice in city you zip through traffic and gain speeds instantly!! R15 is not that great for city ride due to it's riding posture!

            But please go through the reviews in ownership thread for both bikes.

            FZ and NS removed because you have 1.3L budget.
            Last edited by somen1984; 07-28-2012, 06:54 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
              You wont' be doing tours or long rides, purely a city ride!!

              But why Duke is not in the list ??

              I................................................. ....................

              But please go through the reviews in ownership thread for both bikes.

              FZ and NS removed because you have 1.3L budget.
              I ve convinced my folks to exten budget till 1.3.sorry cant go beyond that .cant afford the DUKE or CBR 150 so didnt venture there

              BTW,Just back from a short TD of 200NS
              Man o Man ,The bike is sure heavy .Leave aside the yamahas its heavier than the erstwhile fastest Indian

              After TDing NS i m like really confused now
              it was awesome power at the right wrist .
              but when earlier i had test ridden R15 it didn't feel like so much power at lower revvs

              Hear says R15(purely for technology and looks)
              Mind+practicality+saneness says 200NS

              i m just scared about reliability issues of NS being bajaj


              PS: i drive a honda city and love redlining all the time(u ll understand if u ve ever driven a honda)
              90% of my riding will be in city
              is R15 feasible ?



              i m in a big dilemma people
              this is my first bike so dont wanna mess it up

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              • #8
                R15 & NS are completely of different style ... First Decide what type of interest you got
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                • #9
                  its not about body style of a bike for me.
                  finally u r heart says something

                  considering all my requirements NS fits all the bill.
                  but R15 whenever i look at it.gives a feel
                  in flesh NS is muscular but too short in length

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                  • #10
                    ns should be your choice
                    and the question remains why do i race?
                    every finishing line is the begining of a new race.

                    #i have learnt to manipulate my own adrenaline and the perception of biking is different.
                    #overkill is underrated.
                    #how random roads may appear there is always a destination.sigpic
                    #i don't subscribe to co-incidence,either it is the rider or the other moron on the road

                    (:)people keeps on saying add spark to life, bajaj got hold of that idea and added an extra spark to bike.

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                    • #11
                      Extra 8k - 10k and you'll have the Duke... Don't miss out on it because of an extra 10k.. Lots of advanced technology ( Upside Down WP Suspension, Trellis Frame, Aluminium Swingarm, FI etc) in the Duke to justify that extra amount. If you can't stretch your budget, I guess you need to decide between the 200NS and R15.

                      As you are riding it within city limits, do take note of R15's riding position. I didn't feel comfortable on it, however lot many do. So do a proper TD and ensure that you can live / get used to the riding posture with lots of gear shifts within city limits.

                      Do let us know what you decide upon.

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                      • #12
                        1st decide looks or Power/Speed ??

                        Originally posted by xtc View Post
                        BTW,Just back from a short TD of 200NS
                        Man o Man ,The bike is sure heavy .Leave aside the yamahas its heavier than the erstwhile fastest Indian

                        After TDing NS i m like really confused now
                        it was awesome power at the right wrist .
                        but when earlier i had test ridden R15 it didn't feel like so much power at lower revvs
                        Hear says R15(purely for technology and looks)
                        Mind+practicality+saneness says 200NS
                        i m just scared about reliability issues of NS being bajaj
                        PS: i drive a honda city and love redlining all the time(u ll understand if u ve ever driven a honda)
                        90% of my riding will be in city
                        is R15 feasible ?
                        i m in a big dilemma people
                        this is my first bike so dont wanna mess it up
                        There is no confusion, your post simply say that you love racing and speed.

                        First decide ??:
                        1. Looks

                        or
                        2. Speed ??

                        in city R15 is strictly no!! NS is purely mixed with city as well as highway rides.
                        As you want something for city than logically or practically it's NS. But do remember NS too performs same like R15 under lower rpms. These both have powers on higher rpms. But NS200 is more maneuver in city than R15.

                        Actually your all concept of speed,Redlining, city goes with Duke, but you can't stretch a bit more of 10k so NS.But surely you will miss Duke's power and features in city!!
                        Originally posted by shahbaz63 View Post
                        R15 & NS are completely of different style ... First Decide what type of interest you got

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                        • #13
                          Its ultimately the Yamaha R15, else your budget could have never been extended to 1.3Lacs . Even the CBR150 is near about you never considered it, coz you want an R15.

                          Just get it and it will never disappoint you in anyways. The best in Handling and built quality in India. With the 200NS you will be just another biker on road and its not same in the case with an R15. You will amazed to see how famous you are on road with your R15. Mileage wise your wish 35+ is granted faithfully. So dont think twice there is ample time left for you to buy a bike like the 200NS or RE350 etc later, but never miss the R15 in your teenage.
                          Last edited by HarishK; 07-29-2012, 11:04 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xtc View Post

                            PS: i don't have a flair for cruisers,not will i be touring, so Enfields and avengers aren't considered. Don't like the RTR either. i know considering my usage a R15 doesnt suit the needs but i dont know .inside i have that thing for R15 especially V2

                            R15 needs a forward leaning posture suitable for tracks, and highways. In city where you need hell a lot of visibility this posture will be challenging. NS would do all good to you, since you got your budget much ahead that, I would suggest you to have a look at CBR 150R and the KTM Duke. TD them, I am sure you will fall for one of these very easily.
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                            • #15
                              Read the initial impressions of an Ex-R15 and now Pulsar 200NS owner here.

                              Originally posted by neoakshay View Post
                              Hi fellow bikers,

                              Lots of people have been waiting for my review of the 200NS and here it is. Do keep in mind that I previously owned an R15 on which I've clocked 40,000km. I used to be a Pulsar-hater, and was surprised to find myself booking the NS. It ticked all the right boxes and now that I've got the bike I'm more than fully satisfied. I've realised that the Pulsars have character and it almost feels like the bike talks to you! Fell completely in love with my baby, the NightFury, in just 2 days.

                              The Delivery:

                              Nothing much to speak about here. Got my bike on 26th July from Khivraj Bajaj, Kasturba Road. Since I'd already made full payment, I just had to sign a few forms and I was good to go. The bike had 3km on odo. A mechanic explained a few features of the bike to me and gave me a receipt that could be presented at the petrol pump next door for 1 litre of petrol. Filled the 1 litre as I wasnt sure how much gas was in the tank and then tanked-up with Shell Super.

                              Engine & Mechanicals:

                              The engine on the NS has a strange, clattery sound at idle. Like there are loads of loose parts within. Most of the sound seems to be from the engine head. Once revved, it sounds unique! I like my bikes smooth and silent and the NS delivers on both counts. There were a few vibes experienced from the handlebars and footpegs at first, but it's really smoothened out post ~150km on odo. Morning starts aren't too much of a problem, the bike starts at first crank but strangely shuts off after about 8-10 secs of idling. The manual suggests giving the bike a little throttle or using the choke for the first start of the day and it does work. The bike idles at 1400 - 1500rpm. Once out on the road, the engine feels smooth and power delivery is linear. Gearshifts are a surprise from Bajaj, being pretty clicky and accurate, although it's not as precise as a Yamaha gearbox. The clutch is well weighted, without being tiring in heavy traffic. Running-in this bike is no joke as it pulls effortlessly and you constantly have to keep an eye on the rpms as the super sensitive throttle can have you above 50kmph in no time, and with just a few millimeters of throttle open. I've never felt the radiator run, even in bumper-to-bumper traffic, this is probably because Bangalore has been quite cool recently and most of my riding has been in the evening or night.

                              Bajaj's run-in instructions are crap and won't run-in your engine well. A brand new engine needs moderate throttle inputs so as to provide enough pressure for the piston rings to seat against the cylinder walls. I've been keeping it under 5k rpm with constant varying of throttle and engine braking whenever possible. By engine braking, I mean accelerating slowly in a gear and then letting go of the throttle till the bike slows a fair bit and then accelerating again (I usually do this in 4th, 5th and 6th gears). Post 100km on odo I've been taking it to 6k rpm ocassionally and gradually.

                              Although the engine is smooth, different parts of the bike have started developing vibes - the brake pedal, the grab rails, visor etc. But it is very much tolerable and pretty much disappear once past 4k rpm. Will have to get these checked and tightened during 1st service.

                              Braking:

                              Brakes took about 50km to offer feel and braking power. The front disk provides decent feel and pretty good retardation. The rear disk doesn't have much feel and I accidentally locked up the rear wheel at slow speeds on two occassions. Overall the braking is reassuring and I'm waiting to see how it fairs at speeds close to and above 100kmph.

                              Ergonomics, Handling, Suspension & Tyres:

                              Handling is extremely neutral and with the extremely comfortable riding position makes the NS a breeze to ride, both for everyday commuting as well as long stints in the saddle. Although I've ridden my R15 extensively, the handling on the NS felt much more stable and confidence inspiring, especially in bumpy corners. I use every corner, minor and major, to practice my cornering lines and skills, and the NS leaves a big biggg smile on my face. The tyres are pretty good although being TVS, and are more than adequate for a regular rides. I haven't had the opportunity to try any aggressive cornering, but for the stuff I've done so far, the tyres have held up beautifully. Suspension is quite stiff, which is expected as I found my bike having been set at the second stiffest setting. Feel and cornering precision is sharp, but will adjust the monoshock to a softer setting in interest of better ride comfort.

                              The rider's saddle is extremely comfortable. Although the pillion seat is comfy as well, the seat itself is very hard and coupled with the stiff suspension setting, the few pillion riders I've had have complained of minor butt pain. I'm happy nevertheless as I'm always going the be in the rider's seat and I don't like riding with a pillion anyway. The pillion seat is very easy to remove and put back, definitely a boon for someone who reaches for his tools and bike papers regularly.

                              Switchgear & Lighting:

                              Switchgear is functional, and I don't have any issues here. Even the indicator switch, which took a while to get used to, is now working smooth and easy. The blue-backlight on the switches looks good only in complete darkness, otherwise they look cheap. Luckily they complement the deep blue shade of my baby. Headlight is pretty adequate, although for serious touring I'd recommend an upgrade to better bulbs or a HID + Projector setup. Indicators and brake lights are bright and very visible. I'm planning on getting the KTM Duke's LED indicators for better looks and am researching headlight upgrades.

                              Fuel Economy:

                              I tanked up with Shell Super and have been riding mostly in the city. After filling in the complimentary 1 litre from Bajaj, the bike swallowed 10.53 litres of petrol. I had to switch to reserve at 380km on odo, so the bike seems quite efficient with an average of approximately 37kmpl. Will have to tank-up again to calculate precise mileage. 35kmpl is more than acceptable from this bike, and anything more will be a happy bonus.

                              Verdict:

                              The NS has truly amazed me and has won my love, admiration and trust in just 2 days. The bike's looks, feel and character has me completely head-over-heels in love with her and I don't miss my R15 one bit! I use the bike for my daily commute to office and on weekends to explore distant tarmac. I will post here about any issues, experiences or foibles I encounter with this truly magnificent motorcycle.

                              Fellow riders, do let me know if I've missed out on something in my review. Will be more than happy to answer questions. Check out the few pics I've taken with my buddy's KTM Duke, do excuse the phone camera quality. Will be doing a proper photoshoot soon!

                              Congrats to all NS owners and best wishes to prospective buyers! This baby will keep you guys happy and content for years to come. I truly feel that this baby can be described to have these characteristics - Awesome-NS, Mad-NS and Smooth-NS! Cheers, ride hard and ride safe!
                              Source: [Ownership Thread]: Pulsar 200 NS - Page 306 - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community
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