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    Question Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    Hello All,
    I am looking for a new bike and would like some advice.
    First some background - I have been riding for more than a decade now. My very first bike was Suzuki Fiero. I used it in college and to roam around nearby areas. I sold it to get Karizma and it was the best all round bike available at that time. I had some great rides around Pune and even today I regret selling it.

    I got the RE Classic 500 in 2010 - I had booked it in pre-launch. I love riding it but am getting frustrated by the small niggling problems that keep cropping up all the time. Dont get me wrong - it has the best ride quality of anything I have used and the torque is just amazing. But due to personal and professional reasons, I no longer have the time I used to have to keep maintaining it. Virtually every other month something needs fixing. And the vibrations have been getting bad. In comparison Fiero and Karizma were completely maintenance free apart from regular servicing.

    So I am now looking for another maintenance free bike.
    I will be using the bike for daily commute to office (15 km one way) which will be solo. The ride is 25% city and rest highway. I will also use it in city for weekends – shopping, movies etc with pillion (say 20 km). And 100-150km weekend trip about once a month, again with pillion. My yearly mileage is around 10k km.

    For me torque is more important than top speed. The one thing I love about the bullet is the torquey pull – no matter the steepness of the slope the bull will keep pulling at the same speed with no need of down shifting. I am looking for fast acceleration and am happy with comfortable cursing speed of around 100-110 km. Also being maintenance free is very high in my list of criteria. I do not have any specific budget but would like to stay below 150K.

    Considering all this I looked at and took test rides on the bikes from all the brands and have ranked them bellow but I had specific questions about the bikes. (This is only my personal ranking and may be different for everyone.) I have shortlisted Duke 200, Duke 390 and Pulsar.

    Duke 200 – I could take only a short test ride. The acceleration is great but I could not test high speeds. The riding position is quite good.
    • Is it stable and vibration-free at 100kmph cruising?
    • I am bit concerned about the only 19.2 Nm torque – is it sufficient at higher gears and steep slopes?
    • The only con seems to be the pillion seat. Is it ok for slightly longer rides – about 100km?
    • Apart from that how is it maintenance wise? Is regular 5000km servicing enough? I don’t want to face the same problems as the bullet.


    Duke 390 – Easily cruises at speed greater than 110 with almost no vibration. Comparing with 200, the torque is also good. But I am not sure if it is worth it to spend additional 50k.
    • How is the reliability and maintenance record for those who have completed more kms?
    • Is the servicing and oil/pads etc replacement more expensive than the 200?
    • Also I have read that the tyres will run out in 10k km and spending Rs. 24k per years seems too much. Can some other cheaper and longer lasting tyre be used?
    • Is there any information about new colors to be released? I am not a fan of the current color scheme. Also I heard that price increase will happen soon.


    Pulsar 220/200NS – The power build up is steady and nice.
    • The price is also great but I have heard some negative things about the maintenance.
    • Does it make sense to get this over the Duke 200 considering I would be saving about 50K?


    Karizma R/ZMR – If Karizma came with higher power and torque it would have been my first choice.
    Yamaha R15 – I was majorly disappointed by this bike. The bike is all looks without performance. The riding position is also very uncomfortable.
    Honda CBR150 – Another disappointment. Too expensive for what is provided.
    Honda CBR250R – It would have been a good option but I feel that if I am spending 200k, the Duke 390 is a much better bike.

    So a really long post.
    Can the owners of these bikes answer my question? It will definitely help me to get the correct bike. I plan to book by month end.
    Thanks for reading.
    Last edited by timuseravan; 10-08-2013 at 09:48 AM. Reason: Bullet points for questions

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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    Firstly.. I would like you to decide one thing for yourself.. What type of machine you are into..? Some like cruisers more, while some like street type.. You have been riding of more than 10 years and that enough time get familier with this..
    Like me, I like only naked style bikes and riding fz and will buy a bigger duke few years later..
    So keeping Bullet, duke, R15 in you choices is all confusing..
    First decide which type of bikes you into and then go for that..

    From the above mentioned bikes.. Duke 390 is the best.. Most powerful and the latest..

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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    As you already owned a Re so now with your description CBR 250 only.
    Duke 200/390 not at all good with pillion.
    Rest I don't see a choice hear.
    ZMR is good but not that good on highways.

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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    I do not really care for what bike type, i.e. cruiser, sports etc. Any bike which has comfortable upright seating position is ok for me (along with the criteria of performance and no maintenance). Right now my 3 shorlisted bikes are Duke 200, Duke 390 and Pulsar 220/200NS. But I had some specific questions which I have asked in the first post and am hoping the owners will answer.

    Duke 200 – I could take only a short test ride. The acceleration is great but I could not test high speeds. The riding position is quite good.
    • Is it stable and vibration-free at 100kmph cruising?
    • I am bit concerned about the only 19.2 Nm torque – is it sufficient at higher gears and steep slopes?
    • The only con seems to be the pillion seat. Is it ok for slightly longer rides – about 100km?
    • Apart from that how is it maintenance wise? Is regular 5000km servicing enough? I don’t want to face the same problems as the bullet.


    Duke 390 – Easily cruises at speed greater than 110 with almost no vibration. Comparing with 200, the torque is also good. But I am not sure if it is worth it to spend additional 50k.
    • How is the reliability and maintenance record for those who have completed more kms? Is the servicing and oil/pads etc replacement more expensive than the 200?
    • Also I have read that the tyres will run out in 10k km and spending Rs. 24k per years seems too much. Can some other cheaper and longer lasting tyre be used?
    • Is there any information about new colors to be released? I am not a fan of the current color scheme. Also I heard that price increase will happen soon.


    Pulsar 220/200NS – The power build up is steady and nice.
    • The price is also great but I have heard some negative things about the maintenance.
    • Does it make sense to get this over the Duke 200 considering I would be saving about 50K?

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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by timuseravan View Post
    [*]Also I have read that the tyres will run out in 10k km and spending Rs. 24k per years seems too much. Can some other cheaper and longer lasting tyre be used? [*]Is there any information about new colors to be released? I am not a fan of the current color scheme. Also I heard that price increase will happen soon. [/LIST]
    No other option of tyre in the market. I tried MRF Revz, the one that comes with Duke 200 but the bike becomes very unstable after 140 and the wet grip is not great. Also the bike eats MRF much faster than Metzeller

    No new colour option atleast for some time to come.

    Also read this thread, most of your queries will be answered
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/first-im...de-review.html
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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by MG View Post
    No other option of tyre in the market. I tried MRF Revz, the one that comes with Duke 200 but the bike becomes very unstable after 140 and the wet grip is not great. Also the bike eats MRF much faster than Metzeller

    No new colour option atleast for some time to come.

    Also read this thread, most of your queries will be answered
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/first-im...de-review.html
    Going through the thread right now.

    The tyre problem may be a deal breaker. I cannot justify spending 24k per year
    Are the MRF Revz ok for speeds of around 110? That will be my crusing speed. I dont think I will be driving much faster than that.
    Will they last longer with those speeds?
    Last edited by timuseravan; 10-08-2013 at 10:53 AM.

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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    Quote Originally Posted by timuseravan View Post

    Pulsar 220/200NS – The power build up is steady and nice.
    • The price is also great but I have heard some negative things about the maintenance.
    • Does it make sense to get this over the Duke 200 considering I would be saving about 50K?
    I have a NS and apart from slight vibrations faced by some owners, theres no issue.I didn't even have the vibrations or anyother niggles.

    But I think the low end torque of 390 is great and it should be well worth the extra 50k .



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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

    If you need pure fun Duke 390 it is. But you got to compromise on pillion comfort and smaller range due to small fuel tank.

    If you want a super comfortable cruzer(100-130 kmph) with good pillion comfort - CBR 250R. Though wont be as fun as 390 its an awesome tourer for its price. No doubt in that. Its worth the price.

    Duke 200/200Ns will be bit stressed at 110kmph. Youll bring down the speed after some time. Its comfortable speed is 90-100.

    So choice is yours and you are worried about the torque figures because you come from the bull. Obvi its torque is high due to its weight. But the above machines are light and so their respective figures are more than enough to keep you happy. Good luck :thumbup:
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    Default Re: Bullet 500 to Duke 200? Duke 390? Something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timuseravan View Post
    I do not really care for what bike type, i.e. cruiser, sports etc. Any bike which has comfortable upright seating position is ok for me (along with the criteria of performance and no maintenance). Right now my 3 shorlisted bikes are Duke 200, Duke 390 and Pulsar 220/200NS. But I had some specific questions which I have asked in the first post and am hoping the owners will answer.

    Duke 200 – I could take only a short test ride. The acceleration is great but I could not test high speeds. The riding position is quite good.
    • Is it stable and vibration-free at 100kmph cruising? (yes)
    • I am bit concerned about the only 19.2 Nm torque – is it sufficient at higher gears and steep slopes? (yes, it can pull better speeds than a bullet even on an incline, and still being not stressed too much, HOWEVER ....luggage hauling abilities of bullet are unmatched)
    • The only con seems to be the pillion seat. Is it ok for slightly longer rides – about 100km? (this is a problem area and much depends on pillion abilities and endurance handling limits)
    • Apart from that how is it maintenance wise? Is regular 5000km servicing enough? I don’t want to face the same problems as the bullet. (yes..regular servicing at 5000 kms are enough)


    Duke 390 – Easily cruises at speed greater than 110 with almost no vibration. Comparing with 200, the torque is also good. But I am not sure if it is worth it to spend additional 50k. (yes additional 50,000 is worth every penny, IF.... you are a speed freak and loves insane acceleration)
    • How is the reliability and maintenance record for those who have completed more kms? Is the servicing and oil/pads etc replacement more expensive than the 200?
    • Also I have read that the tyres will run out in 10k km and spending Rs. 24k per years seems too much. Can some other cheaper and longer lasting tyre be used? (with the kind of acceleration and speed it can do, its better, you don't try other cheaper options...although it is costly recurring cost)
    • Is there any information about new colors to be released? I am not a fan of the current color scheme. Also I heard that price increase will happen soon.


    Pulsar 220/200NS – The power build up is steady and nice.
    • The price is also great but I have heard some negative things about the maintenance. (you are basically buying a cheaper version of duke 200, so be aware...that you will get just adequate quality, the negative things are only minor..)
    • Does it make sense to get this over the Duke 200 considering I would be saving about 50K? (YES)
    Apart from what you asked... here are few other things...

    naked bikes like duke and NS, are not very good to ride on open highways at high speeds, since above 100 kmph, wind blast does hit you, and create slight problems.

    duke has very limited pillion seat space as well as luggage mounting space like tankbags and saddlebags. apart from this tank capacity is also less.

    P200NS has a really hard suspension and coming from a bullet, you may not like the ride quality. also suffers from tankbag problem, i find it hard to mount my non-magnetic tank bag.

    please include CBR250 in your list too, it is a really good all-rounder, and a really good tourer.

    in my opinion, go for either Duke390 or a CBR250 only.

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