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Old 03-13-2011, 06:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello Everyone,
I have been for the past one year trying to find a good forum to discuss and get help in :
1. Changing the White ZMR stock headlights to Angel Eyes and a bi-xenon projector head lamp, my budget is around 4500/-.

2.Change the stock tires to real wide ones (as my bike is thru 12,000 kms),
so which branded company tires to buy as my monthly running is around 1500 kms and mostly on highway so i do not trust the local company tires for the same.

3. Has anyone yet faced this MAJOR RPOBLEM and that is whenever i apply brakes be it any speed between 30 kmph to 100+kmph, MY BIKE ALWAYS SKIDS TO THE LEFT SIDE THE REAR TYRE, i showed in the showroom service centre n they said tht there is no technical problem with the bike.

so please help me out and tell me what to do...i would be grateful.

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Changing your headlight to Bi-xenon projector headlamp with an angel eye can be done, you can do it yourself, its easy.
go through youtube videos which shows how to retrofit projectors into headlamps.
After seeing them, you can try it out.

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The real wide tyres will hamper your cornering, as well your mileage and acceleration.
i suggest go for michellin M45 rear tyre, size 4.00 X 18 inch.
This is the BEST tyre for ZMR, and yes its also LIGHTER and WIDER than your current stock tyre.
its sticks to the road like leech.

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When you change your tyre, your skidding issue will be gone, my friends ZMR also has the same issue, the rear disk is too powerful for the tyre provided.
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I agree with Nano for 1 and 3.

Nano, how reliable is M45 for using it as tubeless ? Any first hand experience?

I have saw many using Sirac as tubeless as its side wall is strong. But M45??

There is another option from Michelin for 100/90-18 i.e. Pilot Sporty. Its a tubeless tyre and offers brilliant grip on tarmac. But not meant for off-road...
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1. Saw some aftermarket HID Angel styled headlight assembly for zma onlibe. Cannot remember the url. SHop is in Delhi I think.

2. Been wanting to change to wider tyre myself, problem is Zma stock wheels(rims) are so skinny that it will not take any tyres properly beyond 110 section for rear. Bigger will fit alright, but thats forcing it, so tyre will not perform optimally as it is design to do. It needs wider rims, and I have not been able to find one to my satisfaction. All I saw were quiet ugly. So first I need wider rims that can take 120 section comfortably for rear, next I will think of the tyres. I want wider both for front and rear.

3. Skidding can be expected when force of rear brakes are applied more than required due to locking up. Cause can be due to
(a) road condition (dirty, wet)
(b) Incorrectly applying brakes (front/rear ratio)
(c) Tyres (Poor rubber compound. worn out etc.)
Front braking force should be anywhere between 60-70% more than rear depending on whether there is a pillion rider. If brakes are applied correctly, there is no skid. Brakes by itself seems to be working well.

Regarding skidding to left side. This may be due to faulty alignment of wheels. I have often seen bikes that runs slightly sideways due do faulty chassis or wheel alignment, such bikes may exhibit similar problem. Though this is not an expert view, merely a common sense opinion.
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Proper allignment can also be an issue...
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Proper allignment can also be an issue...
hey, thanks all for your views and answers...

so now my question is that :

Out of Michelin M45 / Sirac / Pilot Sporty

Which is the optimum choice and why .. ?
People with such tires installed please provide your experience's and suggestions ?

@ARNandal : are there any bike alignment shops also..and if so how much do they charge ?
and i think i found the cause for my weird skidding of bike, i.e. i once had a minor accident and my front shocks of the zmr had twisted very slightly, and due to time constraint the HH service center guy had just adjusted the Clip On Handle Bars from the CLIPS itself.
I think tomorrow i will go and ask him to open bike fully and get the whole thing straight.

AND HAPPY HOLI EVERYONE
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Nano, how reliable is M45 for using it as tubeless ? Any first hand experience?

I have saw many using Sirac as tubeless as its side wall is strong. But M45??

There is another option from Michelin for 100/90-18 i.e. Pilot Sporty. Its a tubeless tyre and offers brilliant grip on tarmac. But not meant for off-road...
M45 is the lightest tyre available (as far as i know) the problem of using it as tubeless will be that it will flat out completely if puntured as its tooo light and soft.

I was talking about using it with tube.
but trust me, NO OTHER tyre is as good as m45 is for a karizma's rear.

regarding pilot sporty, the bike bends easily with this tyre, and its more than excellent on tarmac, a boon for cornering, but its very bad in gravel or dusty roads.
it comes as a tubeless.

sirac again is tubeless, but its TOO heavy, will put quite a load on the sprocket as well as on the performance.
sticks okay okay on tarmac, but very nice in gravel, i personally don't like this tyre.

as a personal choice, i like the pilot sporty, but its only available in 100/90 and the thread starter wanted a bigger (wider) tyre.

for indian conditions, and a mix of terribly bad roads, with (some) nice highways too, M45 stands out to be the best option.
its almost half the weight of the stock tyre BTW.
but you will have to put up a tube...

@ rishagrl

ride your bike at 60 kmph, and leave the handlebar completely, if the bike tilts in either one of the direction, then go for the fork or the cone related alignment.
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M45 is the lightest tyre available (as far as i know) the problem of using it as tubeless will be that it will flat out completely if puntured as its tooo light and soft.

I was talking about using it with tube.
but trust me, NO OTHER tyre is as good as m45 is for a karizma's rear.

regarding pilot sporty, the bike bends easily with this tyre, and its more than excellent on tarmac, a boon for cornering, but its very bad in gravel or dusty roads.
it comes as a tubeless.

sirac again is tubeless, but its TOO heavy, will put quite a load on the sprocket as well as on the performance.
sticks okay okay on tarmac, but very nice in gravel, i personally don't like this tyre.

as a personal choice, i like the pilot sporty, but its only available in 100/90 and the thread starter wanted a bigger (wider) tyre.

for indian conditions, and a mix of terribly bad roads, with (some) nice highways too, M45 stands out to be the best option.
its almost half the weight of the stock tyre BTW.
but you will have to put up a tube...

@ rishagrl

ride your bike at 60 kmph, and leave the handlebar completely, if the bike tilts in either one of the direction, then go for the fork or the cone related alignment.
thanks a lot for helping me to conclude to M45
will get them this week after i have installed my hid and projectors my self..
and yes, i did try it out, my bike tilts to left side persistently when ever i ride above 60+ i realize it, and also that when i hold my handle bar for straight ride one hand feels loose slightly and the other a little tight to hold the hande, my friends also told me that earlier, so now in 2-3 days will go to HH service center and get it checked.

thank you all
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1. bixenon projector hid
bi xenon projectors don't give proper high beam spread. it's just elaveted low beam.
a very senior member has these on his R15 and strongly recommends against it.
even in high end cars (MB, BMW etc) and sbks, high beam is alway a filament bulb
watch as many youtube vdos and decide yourself.

the other option is to fix P220's low beam projector and high beam reflector in your current headlamp assembly.

2. tyre
whichever brand, whichever size... go for TUBELESS.

best tyre for zma is pirelli sport demon. tubeless and not too light. extremely sticky. best in wet conditions ( i've this on my zma '05)
most expensive, soft compound gives excellent grip but high tread wear.

next best is the Michelin pilot sporty.
but both these tyres are good for tarmac only. easily skid on gravel and off road will ruin their life.

IMHO M45 with tubeless valve is the ideal rear tyre for any bike with 18" wheel.
good combination of tarmac and off road capabilities.
but many hesitate coz the company says it's a tubetype tyre, though many on xbhp.com are using it as tubeless.

Michelin sirac is tubetype too. its tread pattern will favor off road than high speed cornering on tarmac.

choose according to the road surface on which you ride mostly.

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