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  • ZMA-R - Front Disc Brake Service

    The problem
    The brake lever felt hard, lever travel felt sort of rough which made brake feather and trail braking rather devoid of proper feedback. The brakes squeaked even when the wheel was turned by hand.

    The diagnosis
    The ZMA has floating callipers and the calliper pins need cleaning and greasing at times, especially during the monsoon. Due to accumulated dust, moisture contamination and possibly traces of rust, the calliper does not float freely on the pins. This affects both brake application and brake release.

    Precautions
    #The disc pads will need to be pried apart a little to allow the disc to get between them when you mount the wheel. Push through the axle (Do not hammer it in if it sticks. There must be some mis-alignment between the various holes for it to get stuck. If it came out easily, it should go in easily too)

    #Wash the bike, at least the area you will be working on, to avoid getting unnecessarily dirty/oily hands into places that get damaged by the dirt/oil. (I did not do it but you can be wiser than that)

    ##
    MAKE SURE NO ONE PRESSES THE FRONT BRAKE LEVER WHEN YOU HAVE REMOVED THE FRONT WHEEL. THE PISTONS GET PUSHED THROUGH WHEN THERE IS NO RESISTANCE TO THEIR MOVEMENT AND GETTING THEM BACK IN ENTAILS A LOT OF UNNECESSARY WORK.

    # When using the emery paper on the pads, do not rub the emery on the pads. Instead, place the emery on a flat surface and gently slide the pads face down on it. The point is to rub off the top glazing without taking out any miles out of their use.



    Tools needed
    see pic below



    Procedure

    Step 1
    Remove the Axle nut with a 19mm spanner, using the 14mm spanner to hold the head end of the axle to prevent it from rotating.



    Step 2
    Pull out the axle while supporting the wheel



    Step 3
    Roll the wheel out, sliding the bottom end side-ways a bit to clear the fender. Make sure you don't touch the disc surface with your fingers. Skin oil or other greasiness could affect braking later.


    Step 4
    Below is a detail-labeled picture of the disc brake.



    Step 5
    Unscrew the disc pad pin caps using the flat head screwdriver. Use a driver with a blade that is large enough to fit well into the slot and allows you to apply proper force without slipping and damaging the slot.


    Step 6
    Beneath the caps, the allen heads of the pad retaining pins become visible


    Step 7
    Use the 4mm Allen Key to unscrew the retaining pins


    Step 8
    And pull the pins out


    Step 9
    The disc pads now hang loose. And you can clearly see the wear-limit grooves. These pads on my bike have another 5000 odd kms left in them considering my riding habits




    Step 10
    Remove the pads, clean their sides and back with the wire brush and rub the face with emery paper



    Step 11
    Now you can clearly see the calliper pistons and the pad springs. DO NOT clean any of the parts around the pistons with petrol or kerosene or diesel or any other solvent. You will end up damaging the seals within. A mild soap solution and a soft tooth brush will do the job well enough



    Step 12
    Grab hold of the calliper body and pull it outwards. (The direction is indicated by the red arrow in the pic below). Small rubber boots similar to their larger cousins on front fork tubes, cover the floating pins. Just pulling firmly and smoothly will allow a clean dis-engage of their sealing lip and the calliper body will slide off as shown







    Wipe the pins with a clean cloth, apply new grease (preferably EP - Extreme Pressure type) and reassemble the unit going backwards over the procedure of dis-assembling it.

    Step 13
    Put in the disc pads starting with the inner one and pushing the retaining pins partially through it



    The outer pad has a locating slot on top that engages with a protruding pin on the calliper body. Screw in the retaining pins with the allen key making sure you tighten them properly and screw in the pin caps.

    With the disc pads in place, re-mount the wheel, reversing the dis-assembly procedure for it. Once the wheel is in place and the axle nuts tightened, turn the wheel and squeeze the brake lever a few times and feel it going hard from near the beginning of its travel. With the brake released, the pads might make a slight 'hissing' sound as they barely graze the disc while the wheel turns. This is normal and expected of bikes with some appreciable mileage on them specially as the calliper piston seals go a trifle limp with usage and are unable to withdraw the pistons all the way back on release of the lever. Nothing critical about this.

    Footnote: It is good to do this service once in some 2-3 months depending on your usage. Rains, off-roading and beach-riding will make the brakes demand such service more frequently.





    Last edited by Old Fox; 02-03-2010, 01:42 PM.
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  • #2
    thanks for the detailed explanation.Tried it once earlier but got a lil messy.I have one query though.After we put the tire back in it's place,wont there be any aligment issues.I've always wondered about this,even though during the event of punctures,I did the same...
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    • #3
      Speed is a joy but roads are not race track. Keep speed in your limit and always Drive safe...

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      • #4
        @srini: Mis-alignment is not a problem if the wheel-bearings are in order and the axle not warped. Though it is important to remember that if more force is needed while assembling than used suring dis-assembly, there there is a need to re-check the procedure as something might get damaged by that excessive force.

        @soumen.sam: Silicone grease would be better no doubt but sourcing it in small packaging is a problem. And it is expensive to buy in larger quantity. The 'white' grease that you see is usually EP Ball-bearing grease (EP - Extreme Pressure) which is fine enough for the purpose.
        Last edited by Old Fox; 02-03-2010, 01:42 PM.
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        • #5
          @ Old Fox

          Exactly, even I was looking for some high temperature grease like Silicone grease or copper grease but unable to shootout. Somehow at last I got Silicone grease but that cost too much. But without the exact things its hard to servicing the disc brake assembles. Same story for thread lock. Any way
          Last edited by Old Fox; 02-04-2010, 04:16 PM. Reason: Wheel-aligment issue removed. Need to keep this post focused on the disc brake service.
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          • #6
            Nice and professional explaination..

            Before assembling the inner pad (which is near pistons). just push the pistons slightly inwards..Finally after assembling the caliper in disc, press the brakes for approx 10 times to set the clearance and rollback correctly..

            If there is any sliding problem in calipers, it will accompanied by overheating of disc due to continuous dragging of pads
            Last edited by Old Fox; 02-07-2010, 01:01 PM. Reason: Two adjacent posts from same user merged.
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            • #7
              hey..is this applicable for a P150 front disc brake?
              is there any issue of warranty void if i do so?

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              • #8
                @deepnine; the same procedure is applicable for pulsars
                Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by deep_nine View Post
                  hey..is this applicable for a P150 front disc brake?
                  is there any issue of warranty void if i do so?
                  yup it is applicable except that in pulsar there is only one pad retaining pin and it is not a screw type it is just a straight pin held by 2 wire clips and u need to unbolt the caliper from the fork to do this...use ring spanners to remove the 2 bolts securing the caliper to the fork
                  Kawasaki KB100/enduro/125 substitute parts list http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/508615-post105.html

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                  • #10
                    Great pictures and explanation.

                    One thing I'd like to add (sorry if I missed it) is that it is important not to soil brake pads with greasy fingers as, once contaminated, they will loose some of their efficiency. They absorb grease and from what I learnt there's really no way to make them new again. You will need to exert more pressure on contaminated brake pads to stop the vehicle. This extra pressure produces more heat and also means the discs will wear faster.

                    Equally, it's important to make sure the discs are free of oil or grease before refitting them on the bike. Brake cleaner is just the right stuff for this, but other solvents can be used to clean oil/grease off discs.

                    A little bit of copper grease is excellent on the back of the brake pad to prevent brake squeal, which can be so annoying...
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                    • #11
                      Extremely well explained My rear disc on my RTR feels useless and I'm really not comfortable doing these kind of DIYs. Is there anything in particular I should ask the service center guys to do/check when I give it to them? How long does it take? I'm not comfortable leaving the bike with them for a whole day just for this.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rdna View Post
                        Extremely well explained My rear disc on my RTR feels useless and I'm really not comfortable doing these kind of DIYs. Is there anything in particular I should ask the service center guys to do/check when I give it to them? How long does it take? I'm not comfortable leaving the bike with them for a whole day just for this.
                        Tell them to check for air in the brake system. There's a procedure for bleeding air from the system. Also get the brake pads checked for wear. Pads worn too thin can damage the disc surface and don't provide good braking.
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                        • #13
                          This thread encouraged me to change my disc pads. Actually the service center was too busy at the time and I didn't have time so when I reached home, I read the original post again and off I went to change the pads for the first time.

                          It was pretty straight forward. I just followed the instructions here. No hassle. Got the old pads removed in no time. The "fun" started when I had to put the new pads.

                          You see, this problem was not specifically mentioned in the original instructions. And as a novice, I had to find out the hard way . I hope my experience can add some value to this thread.

                          Now the problem. Since my old pads were so worn out, almost scraping the metal, the pistons were pushed out quiet a bit. This is inherent to hydraulic system compensating as the pads gets thinner. This means the new pads which are considerably thicker were not able to fit in, let alone making space for the disc to fit without pushing back the pistons. Bare hands were not going to help here (I tried). Seems people uses "C-clamp" to push back the pistons. I didn't have one. By this time it was too dark to continue. Decided to continue in the morning. In the mean time, I googled how to push back the pistons. C-clamp seems to be the preferred method. Another method I found is to bleed the fluid. Since I don't have a c-clamp, I thought I'd try this.

                          Next morning, I unscrew the bleeding nuts a bit and at the same time, using a 'monkey plier' pushed back the pistons. Voila, it went back without much effort. I re-tightened the bleeding nuts. Now both new pads were in with sufficient space for the disc to slide in. I put back everything back and everything is fine.

                          Yes, I'm aware of the danger of air getting in the system using the bleeding method to push back the pistons. Its no big deal as I can bleed the braking system again and filled new fluid which anyway is very easy.

                          Next on my shopping list. Get a c-clamp.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post
                            Next morning, I unscrew the bleeding nuts a bit and at the same time, using a 'monkey plier' pushed back the pistons. Voila, it went back without much effort. I re-tightened the bleeding nuts. Now both new pads were in with sufficient space for the disc to slide in. I put back everything back and everything is fine.

                            Yes, I'm aware of the danger of air getting in the system using the bleeding method to push back the pistons. Its no big deal as I can bleed the braking system again and filled new fluid which anyway is very easy.

                            Next on my shopping list. Get a c-clamp.
                            You did find a way though there is a better option without resorting to using the bleed-screw, risking air leakage into the system and loosing some brake fluid. Just open the top lid of the reservoir (mounted next to the front brake lever) and gently...very gently push back the pistons. The fluid needs space to go back and opening the reservoir lid gives it just that. Though this needs a few precautions vis a vis covering the tank and other painted surfaces with a cloth or something to avoid brake fluid spills from damaging it. Also, if you're a trifle quick in pushing back the pistons, a jet of brake fluid will shoot upwards from the reservoir . This is the famed Brahma Press in the reverse you see. Grabbing the pistons with a C-clamp and Slowly screwing it in would do the job pretty well.

                            One imp note here: Never push the pistons in against the pressure of the hydraulic fluid. Give the fluid some space to expand by either opening the lid of the reservoir or slightly loosening the bleed-screw. Liquids don't compress and using undue force will only end up in damaging the system components (the piston seals in particular).
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Old Fox View Post
                              You did find a way though there is a better option without resorting to using the bleed-screw, risking air leakage into the system and loosing some brake fluid. Just open the top lid of the reservoir (mounted next to the front brake lever) and gently...very gently push back the pistons. The fluid needs space to go back and opening the reservoir lid gives it just that. Though this needs a few precautions vis a vis covering the tank and other painted surfaces with a cloth or something to avoid brake fluid spills from damaging it. Also, if you're a trifle quick in pushing back the pistons, a jet of brake fluid will shoot upwards from the reservoir . This is the famed Brahma Press in the reverse you see. Grabbing the pistons with a C-clamp and Slowly screwing it in would do the job pretty well.

                              One imp note here: Never push the pistons in against the pressure of the hydraulic fluid. Give the fluid some space to expand by either opening the lid of the reservoir or slightly loosening the bleed-screw. Liquids don't compress and using undue force will only end up in damaging the system components (the piston seals in particular).
                              I got a doubt regarding new brake pads.... Other than pushing back the pistons, Do we need to prepare the new pads as in using emery on it before first use or is it to be installed directly without any preparation ?
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