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Go for the Karizma my friend, i fyou are planning to keep it for 5-7 years, it is one of the most reliable and comfortable bikes. I own a Pulsar 180 it is very good bike, but when it comes to long term ownership, comfort and quality, Karizma is ahead of the Pulsars. Lot of features dont really translate into a good bike

Wouldn't the Karizma R phased out soon? And do Pulsar 220S or 220F have vibration above 80kmph? Does Karizma has the vibration too?

To be clear, every bike will have vibrations at higher rpm and speed. But, is the vibration manageable?

mr soori, if ur worrying of phasing out of karizma then think of those ppl who bought 220 FI and it discontinued.



if ur planning for a reliable, trouble free and a smooth engine for 5-7 years then go for zma-r.

if u plan to have a bike with all sort of problems and engine blundering in 2 years then pls go ahead and buy a 220 s or f.

and yes 220 s doenst have any special technology, it is same carb bike like zma.

For the above 2 requirement of yours the only answer is Karizma (variants is your choice), book no other bike

Thanks Anmol! I appreciate the input. Could you please elaborate a little bit about the sort of engine issue? Can you please shed more light on it?

220 FI is not phased out. it is still available on demand.

@topic,
If you can maintain your bike well, both will be reliable. from my experience, Reliablity depends mostly on owner and not on bike.

Karizma R anyday buddy...
Quite a reliable bike with good power and torque...

zma-r engine is one of the most stress free engine in its class, the silent one and vibration free upto speed of 100 km, after 100 km u could feel some vibes but these are negligible.

mr soori, if you could pls have a look at the pulsar 220 ownerhsip thread then u wud manage to see a large variety of problems in the bike, though zma- r also have a few minor issues but these are not demanding, all bikes have some issues but one has to see which one offers maximum reliability.

Both the Bikes are VFM in thier Own Standards......
But when it comes to Touring delight Definetely ZMA stands First

ZMA - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively less power - makes the engine Stand still for Long Rides.... Excellent Chasis and Body frame makes it Constant in Higher RPM's, Fairing adds to the Touring Delight
Reliabilty is the best part AFA ZMA is Conc - Though its spare parts are will cost a Hole in the Pocket - It is a much reliable Bike if maintained Properly
Provides maximum comfort for the Pillion as the One doesnt needs to lean at the rider...

P220s - Higher CC Engine with Comparatively More Power - Also good for Touring and added RD provides maximum Stopping Power.... Excellent Top Speed but Tends for Vibration.....Tubeless Tyres adds Touring Spirit....But again the Reliability comes to a Question as A pulsar can only survive to its name for the first 3 or 4 years (depends upon maintenance) - Engine Knocking Sound is one of the problems...
Pillion needs to lean on the rider on high speeds and Sudden Brakes as - Coz of the Clip ons - rider has to lean a bit forward,,, as the pillion also has to...

Both the bikes has thier own Cons and Pros

At the end of the Day you have to decide it up ......

But do not Blame us - it you are overtaken by an P220 while riding a ZMA or a ZMA rider says i have my bike for more than 5 years without any problem if you ride a P220......

He he he...... i liked it, there is no point in blaming us. here one can tell about their knowledge/experience/liking...

@Thread starter... at the end of the day it's upto your choice buddy... take a Test Ride of both the bikes and check which one suits your personality/choice... Good Luck...

I agree with Thunder. Am hooked with the ownership threads. Am still in the initial posts as it is aroun 518 pages long..

I'm still waiting for the test ride of Pulsar 220S as it is not available here. I agree from most of the experienced guys here that Karizma is a best touring bike in its class. Again I get confused that I occasionally go on a long ride/ tour, might be once in 3 months or so.

To be frank, the styling factor and features, I get inclined over Pulsar 220S. And to the engine refinement, Karizma R gains a thumbs up.

Now, I'm feeling stressed on the engine niggles and issue, as well as vibrations at ~< 100km/h. And in terms of maintenance, don't ignore even a single issues as far as now with the other 2 bikes. And once again, wish Karizma R would upgrade some of the specifications and features.

Does oil cooled engine help pulsar 220CC in any aspects?

Also, at that RPM does both the bikes reach 80km/h and 100km/h?

Could anyone please point me to any thread where it describes what is the engine knocking problem is? I'm a noob when it comes to advanced issues.

Not but the least, I started loving xBhp.com . And from couple of hours my finger as glued in f5 key.

Not again...everlasting battle between the two bikes here. Anyway,for your requirement,zma fits the bill perfectly. Both the bikes here are awesome in their own right and i'll go with thunders post. Both the bikes are quite stable and vibe free in 80-100kmph range.you can get a clearer opinion once you get a chance to ride the 220 too.best of luck...

Just go for Karizma-r because it is reliable, durable and also has a good amount of torque and perfect for touring. There is a person in my Neighbour who is using 6 years old karizma (not zma-r) clocked 120k on odo and still it looks perfect.

I don't think pulsar would last that long

So in my opinion go for zma - r