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**Aryan** · 06-04-2010, 05:55 PM

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**worrisomebear** · 06-04-2010, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Aryan View Post

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For a new bike :Are you not keen on ZMR?

Else R15 is a good bet..as they are in same price range as well.

Incase you looking slighlty less expensive then Dazzler would be a nice bet

Incase you buying an old bike, i would suggest a R15 ( in that price u can get a new dazzler too)

**GOU** · 06-04-2010, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by worrisomebear View Post

Are you not keen on ZMR?

Else R15 is a good bet..as they are in same price range as well.

Incase you looking slighlty less expensive then Dazzler would be a nice bet

There is difference of around 30k between R15 and P220. So that makes P220 a big VFM. ZMR costs closer to R15 and in that case I would chose R15.

FZ is there for the looks and wide rear tyre and heard that its got best city handling and hence called Lord of the street. So would like to know if FZ is really a P220 beater for city usage and the criterias I have mentioned.

Mostly looking for a used bike. If I can't find a good one or feel there is very less price difference between new and used bikes, I would go for a new bike.

**forty6** · 06-04-2010, 07:25 PM

FZ 16. Go for it. Me thinks it is the best bike to fool around in town with. The R15 is good if you don't care about anything except corners. For the love of biking there is no better choice.

Pulsar, will obviously make you happy considering you are going to upgrade from an activa, but i don't think it fits the role you are asking for. It is a good highway cruiser, for sure but it is not as well built as a Yamaha or Hero Honda. But it has an awesome smile inducing engine.

Karizma, again is too good on bad roads and generally better in corners than the pulsar. but where it is unbeatable is for long trips. But you are not going to do them. so chuck it.

That just leaves the Fz16. It is well built. Is good in the city. It light. Has good monoshock suspension and above all has the looks to delay mid life crisis by at least half-a-decade.

if you are not averse to buying a new bike you can also try the new Honda Dazzler. But as far as my choice goes FZ16 it is.

**spykid2222** · 06-04-2010, 07:25 PM

If money & mileage is not a problem Go for the R15.. Dont look back..!!

**Andyology** · 06-04-2010, 07:28 PM

It completely depends what kind of rider are you ?

If you are more of a relaxed rider and would be commuting more with your wife i would suggest go 4 the YAMAHA FZ16.

If have racing instincts in you, you are more prone in reviving the throttle and whipping past the traffic go for the PULSAR 220FI or YAMAHA R15.

If you as a person who lies in between both of these go for HERO HONDA KARIZMA. it can be used for commuting daily to office, and can be a GOOD TOURER. Reliability, no one beats HERO HONDA.

**dineshsamtani** · 06-04-2010, 08:28 PM

Looking at your requirements i would suggest a Hero Honda Karizma- R (not the ZMR). It is one of THE most comfortable touring bikes. No back aches, no wrist aches, fits your criterias.

TD it and you will feel that the bike has everything you want.

Also if you are considering Fz16 for 72k approx, rather go for a P220 or Karizma.

**krates** · 06-05-2010, 05:16 AM

^^ karizma, p220 both cost 10k more than fz16..

seriously if you need the best bike for city get the FZ16.. else the P220

**princesirohi** · 06-05-2010, 11:11 AM

FZ16 is good and if u want more power.......P220

**GOU** · 06-05-2010, 05:12 PM

Suspension comparision

Thanks folks for the replies.

I am thinking about getting a bike almost for an year. Earlier I had decided that I will go for a bike with Mono suspension. Drove Unicorn, engine makes me feel I need more. One of my colleagues has Unicorn but he is all praise for FZ drivabity. So that left me with FZ and R15.

But than came new P220 faster than R15 costing near FZ (8k difference). TDed it found that suspension are good in absorbing pot holes. Only thing I fear is that may be dual suspensions fare well when the bike is new and after 1-2 yrs are waste

. Thats what I felt in HH Passion. So thats what concerns me.

I am looking at the comparision for shock up for P220 and FZ. If suspension in FZ is really much better in absorbing shocks than I am going to give P220 a miss.

Please Note: I am not looking at which is better technology. I know mono is better technology. I want to know from users which absorbs potholes and humps better.

Karizma is out of fray as I feel the styling is quite old and did not like the new ZMR in flesh.

Originally posted by Andyology View Post

It completely depends what kind of rider are you ?

If you are more of a relaxed rider and would be commuting more with your wife i would suggest go 4 the YAMAHA FZ16.

If have racing instincts in you, you are more prone in reviving the throttle and whipping past the traffic go for the PULSAR 220FI or YAMAHA R15.

If you as a person who lies in between both of these go for HERO HONDA KARIZMA. it can be used for commuting daily to office, and can be a GOOD TOURER. Reliability, no one beats HERO HONDA.

My commute with wife is limited to 1-3 kms and occasional 6-7 kms thats it.

Yes as mentioned in my requirements, I love to speed past the traffic. Is R15 good for Bangalore traffic. I travel from J P Nagar to Domlur for office. I get severy bumper to bumper traffic (BTM, Koramangla) as well as free roads (Inner Ring road).

Originally posted by dineshsamtani View Post

Looking at your requirements i would suggest a Hero Honda Karizma- R (not the ZMR). It is one of THE most comfortable touring bikes. No back aches, no wrist aches, fits your criterias.

TD it and you will feel that the bike has everything you want.

Also if you are considering Fz16 for 72k approx, rather go for a P220 or Karizma.

I like P220 more than Karizma for more powerful engine.

Originally posted by forty6 View Post

FZ 16. Go for it. Me thinks it is the best bike to fool around in town with. The R15 is good if you don't care about anything except corners. For the love of biking there is no better choice.

Pulsar, will obviously make you happy considering you are going to upgrade from an activa, but i don't think it fits the role you are asking for. It is a good highway cruiser, for sure but it is not as well built as a Yamaha or Hero Honda. But it has an awesome smile inducing engine.

Karizma, again is too good on bad roads and generally better in corners than the pulsar. but where it is unbeatable is for long trips. But you are not going to do them. so chuck it.

That just leaves the Fz16. It is well built. Is good in the city. It light. Has good monoshock suspension and above all has the looks to delay mid life crisis by at least half-a-decade.

if you are not averse to buying a new bike you can also try the new Honda Dazzler. But as far as my choice goes FZ16 it is.

Thats a good comparision. Would like to know how would P220 fare in city traffic, is it easy to maneouvre? Also what about R15 in city?

**smoker n doper** · 06-05-2010, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by GOU View Post

Hi Friends,

Bikes I shortlisted are P220 new, P220 FI old, FZ16 and R15.

Following are main criterias I am looking at in preference order. It would be great if people could rank the bikes listed above for following criterias:

1. Suspension should be good - it should be able to absorb pot holes and humps with ease without affecting me. As you see this is top most criteria.

every bike has good suspension.

2. Good acceleration in city - I like to stay ahead when light turns grean on signals.

P220 F

3. Good drivability or roll on figures - In case of sudden breaking (humps or traffic) I should be able to pull on easily in same gear most of time.

P220 F

4. Braking and stability should be good - specially in wet conditions. Though this is not as important as others as I feel whatever I buy would be better than my current Activa

.

R15

Other important points to consider in decission making:

- I intend to drive this bike in city. Main use will be office commuting and local grocery shopping. I have car for highway/long drive and for weekend drives with family. My office is around 13km from home. So Monthly driving around 700 - 800 km.

FZ 16 > P220 F > R15

- I understand mono-suspension (used in FZ, R15 and Unicorn) is a better technology than dual rear suspensions. They do not bottom out easily. But are they better in absorbing humps and pot holes. From what I have read even P220 has soft suspension and should therefore absorb humps and pot holes in a better way. More importantly is FZ16 better than P220 in absorbing humps and potholes? Do dual suspensions have lesser life than mono suspension? It would be really helpful if I can arrive at ranking the above bikes on their ability to absorb bad roads.

already answered at starting.

- I would like bike to look good and have some exclusivity. Want to have the feeling that its different from the herd.

R15 > P220 F > Fz 16

- I am planning to buy a used bike, probably 1-2 yr old. Reasons, I want to take advantage of the depreciation. Might shift in 1-2 yrs so will not lose that much on resale. As I am not taking loan it will be cheaper on pocket.

- Since it is used bike P220 FI is also in the competition. I understand its not as fast as new P220 but not expecting much difference.

- Mileage. Not a major concern. Anything above 35 is OK.

every bike has around 35ish or even better.

- My height is 5' 10''. Is FZ good for tall people?

You are not that tall.
5'10'' is perfect for all the bikes you suggested.

Now my impressions about the bikes:

R15:
Pros: Looks are best, best engine (refined), best stability, Good suspension. I think best in all departments only thing might be that its not that great for city driving. Had a very short TD felt the engine was refined. Need to TD more
Cons: Not sure if can be driven around as easily in city. From what I have read, acceleration not that great in city traffic, might cause wrist pains in city. Also I think since its meant for racing and cornering suspension would be kept at a harder, so might not be as good on bad roads as the others - I have not tested though. Would like to know more on this
Always felt that if owning high end cars (BMW, Merc) is not possible I should atleast own a bike that looks and feels different and exclusive. R15 is nearer to that.

Suspension is Top notch AFAIK and wrist pain will perish once you get used to the riding position.

P220
Pros: Absolute value for money. P220 on road in Bangalore is around 80k and FZ16 around 72k. In 8k extra we get more powerful engine, good headlights and bigger bike. I had a short TD, drove on some bad road and suspension could easily filter it out. Seating space is good
Cons: Looks same as other pulsars except the headlight. Read that bajaj quality is not as good. Read that it vibrates a lot. Heavy. Not sure how good it is in heavy traffic

it looks same but a small twist of wrist and you are not the same anymore
seating space is good ... agreed .. but the seats are REAL hard ... you will have a gala time after shifting from activa
quality is not good ... but spares are CHEAP.
I zip zap zoom quite easily in traffic

FZ16:
Did not TD it. Planning to do it next week.
Pros: Looks. Acceleration. Bike meant for city driving. Maneouvrabilty. like to compact looks and like to see how the people easily maneouvre it in the city. Seating position
Cons: Does not have as much power as the other two. Not TDed it yet so cant say more.

its good looking too. NO COMMENTS as you are spot on.

Old P220 FI
Same as new P220 except for minor differences. Though not TDed it yet.

its a good bike.

Well, thanks folks for going through such a big post.
you are welcome.

I am waiting for suggestions.

answers in bold.

**GOU** · 06-05-2010, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by smoker n doper View Post

answers in bold.

Wow!! Thanks Ashish for replying to all the queries

. So this tilts it in P220's favour.

One thing I would like to know about old P220 FI and new P220. I know new one is faster, but believe even the older one would have good acceleration. Does old P220 FI also accelerate that well?

**smoker n doper** · 06-05-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by GOU View Post

Wow!! Thanks Ashish for replying to all the queries

. .

your welcome.

So this tilts it in P220's favour..I know new one is faster, but believe even the older one would have good acceleration. Does old P220 FI also accelerate that well?

P220 FI has a more crisp response because of FI technology. There is not much difference in initial acceleration AFAIK.

**venomafiax** · 06-05-2010, 09:29 PM

for city riding and absorbing pot holes.... you definitely need the FZ.... and how you look at it is... the pulsars dual suspension is crap, what happens is the more it absorbs rough holed terrain the weaker it becomes and if you've noticed the coils are very thin and flimsy it weakens in less than a year, if the terrain your going to be riding on is really rough...since you want to go for a used bike its going to get worst because the suspension has already been weakened by the previous owner after sometime you'll feel that the ride doesn't absorb the holes anymore it will just thud up and down.... and also the handling of the pulsar is not very good for the slightest reason that its got a longer wheelbase so turning the handle in case of an emergency is gonna be tough call since your going to be running in the city. Im sure you'll find lots of drivers & riders who cut across all of a sudden and on the other hand the riding position is OK for clear roads but not when zipping through traffic i've noticed this during emergency and speed braking situations... when the brakes are applied the bike is not steady and you tend to loose control...

Why you should go for the FZ:
The Fz has got really good ride quality and grip on the roads... you'll need the grip during overtaking, cornering, braking, and steady traffic zipping... the reason being the fat tyres and the suspension!!.. the monocrosss suspension absorbs pot holes and rough terrain very well.. it doesn't bounce about like the pulsar and also on the other hand during long arched bends on gravel filled road you need to have good suspension to be in control of the bike in case someone comes head-on during overtaking or any other situation you can apply the brake and still be on the bike... unlike the pulsar will just slip and may cause injury due to its not very grippy tires and crap suspension... the FZ has good acceleration and pickup you'll definitely have control of the bike during emergency situations and braking.... the riding position is absolutely superb if you can get an FZ-s but the FZ is pretty good too... the shorter wheelbase and wide handle gives you more control of the bike in any situation....
THe FZ is the bike you need especially the looks dont compare it to anything else... its out of the league and im sure it will pass its looks on to you as-well... the R15 has a nice body but that engine and tyres dont go with it does it?the same applies to the ZMR it looks weird!!!!!
FZ is built perfectly compared to the other Indian bikes, the attachments/parts and body panels dont wiggle about making creepy noises which happens in all other indian bikes you name it.!!! its a good fit and will preserve its looks, quality, paint work and reliability, longer than the other bike!!!

the choice is your buddy.. choose wisely.... Goodluck!!!

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