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**Aryan** · 08-09-2010, 10:53 AM

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These two bikes still have some time before they are officially launched in India. I guess, after they are launched, it'll be much more clear as to which would be a better investment - the Kawasaki or the Hyosung.

Meanwhile, going simply by the brands, I would prefer the Japanese any-day.

**jd666** · 08-09-2010, 11:03 AM

i would prefer the kawi over the hyo any day. because its just a better brand.

I can answer these -

Am unable to find reliable 0-60,0-100 and quartermile times for the Hyosung but in bike forums ppl do say that performance figures of both the bikes are identical thou Hysoung enjoys a slighly higher top speed. How can the performance of a GT650R be identical to the Ninja650R when it produces an extra 10 (previously 7)ponies???
Infact the GT650R has a wet weight of 215 while the Ninja is a modest 205 kgs.Would that be a probable reason??? - Could be, also the power delivery of a twin is slightly different from a inline ( though theoretically the angle between the cylinders is different only, the torque curve will vary for both )

3) If the bike is faired, does the fairing just be removed to do offroading. Would there be a worry on the radiator fins getting damaged etc. How different would be the 650R/GT650R different from the ER6N/GT650 except for the fairings?

- It wont be as simple as that. You need to factor in parameters like ground clearance, suspension travel at the front and rear ( since a road bike will have much stiffer suspension and lesser travel, as compared to a off-roading bike )

4) Also would the parallel twins give better mileage than the V-twins - Not too sure, but comparable, yes.

- Go for something like the CRF225 or something, if available there, great reliable engine, good off-roading capabilities, and has enough grunt to do enough highway as well, with luggage. Or something in a higher capacity. But take a on-off roader with enough grunt for this purpose.

**trustvishwas** · 08-10-2010, 07:03 PM

Hello Jakrap. Just now saw your query.

1. Kawasaki 650 is like a tractor. The firing sounds as a cross between 250R and a bullet. This is a commuter / poser bike. Commuter because - No clip ons, no split seat and normal seating position. Poser because - It looks good and rides pathetic. Good for riders who just want to own a big cc bike.

If bajaj launches this, the pricing will be around 5.5 - 5.75 Lakhs.

This one will no way ride around 200 kmph but you can take it to Ladakh without any problem. That actually you can do on your 250R. Lots of riders have done Ladakh ride this year on R15.

Hyosung can't be compared with any japanese brand. Remember its earlier models? Their pathetic build quality? Also they have teamed up with Garware. Have you heard of this group? What credentials both have in India?

I know, I have not provided answers to your questions but felt like sharing my thoughts. BTW, when are you coming back?

**Sarvajit** · 08-11-2010, 11:29 AM

Commuting-Ninja 650.
Touring on smooth highways-both (Ninja 650 will again be stressfree due to the upright posture)
Offroading-Ninja 650 anyday. I can't expect the Hyosung to take it well due to the race inclined clip ons&GC of 130mm.
Brand value-again Ninja 650.

All in all, for the kind of usage you are looking for, I think the Ninja 650 is the right thing for you.
Buy the Hyosung if you have a tight budget, and are intending to use your bike only for highway riding.

**darkknight** · 08-11-2010, 11:57 AM

whoever has test ridden the ninja 650 doesn't have too much good to say about it.
but it may also because during the same time better bikes( that which won't be coming soon ) were ridden & probable reason for the opinion

a gt650 r would be in the price range of 4-4.25 (source :bikeindia)
whose top speed is in the range of 200 kmph

braking on both bikes lacks the capability which is even much better in the 250r i.e both the 650s give sorta soggy feeling

build quality of ninja is better than gt650 & so is the probable cost by a lack more.

wait & watch is the name of the game that which many of us have been doing for the past coupla years

**aargee** · 08-11-2010, 12:10 PM

Who services Ninja 650R - Bajaj PBK
Who services GT650? - That's my question

So buying a bike is one time affair, taking care of it is lifetime & as of now we've good feedback from PBK guys servicing Ninja 250R, or atleast, has some experience to service/escalate. What about GT650? Earlier the tie up was with Kinetic who's been taken over by Mahindra. So does M&M provide service for GT650? I doubt.

**Hyperion** · 08-11-2010, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by JAKRAP View Post

Was looking for an allrounder bike (high speeds near 200 kmph and which could be used for offroading purposes when required, may be a trip to Ladakh

)

Hrd the news that both Hyosung and Kawasaki are bringing their 650s into India which can be used for commuting/touring/wee bit of racing and moderate to complete offroading (without the fairings, ofcourse

).

The Hyosung is bike in the supersports mould , more so than the Ninja, due to low set handlebars. Its for riders who want to own a true supersports but cant afford one.

You can't just remove fairings and take it Ladakh. The fairing is not just for aesthetics and is there for a reason. It protects your bikes internals (sensors, cooling system).
These things are designed differently in naked bikes taking into consideration the lack of fairing. If you want to take a powerful bike to Ladakh, buy the Duc Monster. Its air cooled and naked , no hassle.

Originally posted by darkknight View Post

whoever has test ridden the ninja 650 doesn't have too much good to say about it.
but it may also because during the same time better bikes( that which won't be coming soon ) were ridden & probable reason for the opinion

a gt650 r would be in the price range of 4-4.25 (source :bikeindia)
whose top speed is in the range of 200 kmph

braking on both bikes lacks the capability which is even evident in the 250r i.e they give sorta soggy feeling

Have to strongly disagree with you there, DK. The brakes on the Ninja blow every other bike in India out of the water. I can comment after having to slow down from 150 kph in a jiffy.

**darkknight** · 08-11-2010, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Hyperion View Post

Have to strongly disagree with you there, DK. The brakes on the Ninja blow every other bike in India out of the water. I can comment after having to slow down from 150 kph in a jiffy.

ok.based on heresay only

from whoever rode it

meaning the 650r
& obviously not the 250.
*hmmm-looks at the post & wrong construction of sentece used.I meant 650r is not better & 250r is excellent*

edits the post

**niks_devil666** · 08-11-2010, 04:02 PM

Unless the price diff is huge or the performance of both are poles apart , Ninja should be the obvious choice.

Although , I am no fan of the 650r ... and ER6n should be better than ER6f.

**darkknight** · 08-11-2010, 04:17 PM

here's one of the sales review of the GT

YouTube - ‪Hyosung GT650r Stock No:56820‬&lrm;

Btw wherever you check on the internet the GT is definitely been given nice reviews & ratings.

Most common reactions being never heard of hyosunb but the bike handles really well so on & so forth

i would say for all of us - better keep the bias aside & test ride to actually get a feel of it *if & when it launches

*

**karthik_R** · 08-11-2010, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by JAKRAP View Post

Firstly am not sure if this is a superbike question..But am just posting it here because of the number of CCs involved

.................

I like your confidence....If you know what I mean

**JAKRAP** · 08-11-2010, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by jd666 View Post

i would prefer the kawi over the hyo any day. because its just a better brand.

I can answer these -

Am unable to find reliable 0-60,0-100 and quartermile times for the Hyosung but in bike forums ppl do say that performance figures of both the bikes are identical thou Hysoung enjoys a slighly higher top speed. How can the performance of a GT650R be identical to the Ninja650R when it produces an extra 10 (previously 7)ponies???
Infact the GT650R has a wet weight of 215 while the Ninja is a modest 205 kgs.Would that be a probable reason??? - Could be, also the power delivery of a twin is slightly different from a inline ( though theoretically the angle between the cylinders is different only, the torque curve will vary for both )

3) If the bike is faired, does the fairing just be removed to do offroading. Would there be a worry on the radiator fins getting damaged etc. How different would be the 650R/GT650R different from the ER6N/GT650 except for the fairings?

- It wont be as simple as that. You need to factor in parameters like ground clearance, suspension travel at the front and rear ( since a road bike will have much stiffer suspension and lesser travel, as compared to a off-roading bike )

4) Also would the parallel twins give better mileage than the V-twins - Not too sure, but comparable, yes.

- Go for something like the CRF225 or something, if available there, great reliable engine, good off-roading capabilities, and has enough grunt to do enough highway as well, with luggage. Or something in a higher capacity. But take a on-off roader with enough grunt for this purpose.

THX JD666!!

Yeah the power delivery of a twin is different to the inline-4 but it produces more street usable torque than the inline fours and thats one of the criteria!

Originally posted by trustvishwas View Post

Hello Jakrap. Just now saw your query.

1. Kawasaki 650 is like a tractor. The firing sounds as a cross between 250R and a bullet. This is a commuter / poser bike. Commuter because - No clip ons, no split seat and normal seating position. Poser because - It looks good and rides pathetic. Good for riders who just want to own a big cc bike.

If bajaj launches this, the pricing will be around 5.5 - 5.75 Lakhs.

This one will no way ride around 200 kmph but you can take it to Ladakh without any problem. That actually you can do on your 250R. Lots of riders have done Ladakh ride this year on R15.

Hyosung can't be compared with any japanese brand. Remember its earlier models? Their pathetic build quality? Also they have teamed up with Garware. Have you heard of this group? What credentials both have in India?

I know, I have not provided answers to your questions but felt like sharing my thoughts. BTW, when are you coming back?

Have they teamed with Garware??? Dint know that..Thought Mahindra would be the obvious choice!!

Might be back by Decemeber..Got some cool riding gear stuff and a WP boots from here..Itching to ride now!!

Yeah do agree on the build front. The build is cheap but over the years 2007-2010 they have improved a lot (thats what i have been hearing in the worldwide forums) and its nearly a suzuki engine whihc should keep running for ever.

Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post

Commuting-Ninja 650.
Touring on smooth highways-both (Ninja 650 will again be stressfree due to the upright posture)
Offroading-Ninja 650 anyday. I can't expect the Hyosung to take it well due to the race inclined clip ons&GC of 130mm.
Brand value-again Ninja 650.

All in all, for the kind of usage you are looking for, I think the Ninja 650 is the right thing for you.
Buy the Hyosung if you have a tight budget, and are intending to use your bike only for highway riding.

YOu understood what am looking for

. A Ninja ZX-6/10 R, 600RR would not be able to solve the problem (even if i ahd the money and tha ability to spend that much

) . May be the GT650 (naked) would be a good bet.

Originally posted by aargee View Post

Who services Ninja 650R - Bajaj PBK
Who services GT650? - That's my question

So buying a bike is one time affair, taking care of it is lifetime & as of now we've good feedback from PBK guys servicing Ninja 250R, or atleast, has some experience to service/escalate. What about GT650? Earlier the tie up was with Kinetic who's been taken over by Mahindra. So does M&M provide service for GT650? I doubt.

Yes true..Thats the problem! It all depends on the A.S.S. Bajaj is much better than Mahindra on any day. Probably we need to ask those Logan owners :-)

Originally posted by Hyperion View Post

The Hyosung is bike in the supersports mould , more so than the Ninja, due to low set handlebars. Its for riders who want to own a true supersports but cant afford one.

You can't just remove fairings and take it Ladakh. The fairing is not just for aesthetics and is there for a reason. It protects your bikes internals (sensors, cooling system).
These things are designed differently in naked bikes taking into consideration the lack of fairing. If you want to take a powerful bike to Ladakh, buy the Duc Monster. Its air cooled and naked , no hassle.

So need to find a way out of this fairing issue. If you dont have the fairing then you cant do more than 150, if you have it you cant do Ladakh!!

The price of the Duc monster is the problem

Originally posted by niks_devil666 View Post

Unless the price diff is huge or the performance of both are poles apart , Ninja should be the obvious choice.

Although , I am no fan of the 650r ... and ER6n should be better than ER6f.

Am beginning to think the same way now..after reading all the answers.

**sunilg** · 08-11-2010, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by MT01

Well, nothing can beat a KTM off-road.
Go, import one.

Thank you for your valuable comments, sir. Your one-liners are becoming a big hit these days. The discussions on xBhp are so boring without them.

**antz.bin** · 08-13-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by JAKRAP View Post

THX JD666!!

Yes true..Thats the problem! It all depends on the A.S.S. Bajaj is much better than Mahindra on any day. Probably we need to ask those Logan owners :-)

My Logan never had any A.S.S. or spares issues..

As for your query.. ER-6n should be the obvious choice.. If in a hurry to buy.. Duc Monster 796 is the best bet..

Query: How much of a Stretch is a Bandit over a Monster? I am seriously starting to consider a Bandit for myself

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