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  • yamaha r1:which is better 2008 or the cross plane 2009

    hello friends
    im planning on buyin the r1. im a little worried bout the heating issues.. i would not want to ve myself fried on long drives. but then again i dont ve a choice. with the budget of 8lak i guess r1 is the only legal bike i can get in tis country.(CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG)
    so i want to kick out the debate which is running on every r1 rider'S MIND...

    WHICH R1 IS BETTER THE 2008 R1 OR THE 2009 R1 WITH THE ADVANCED CROSS PLANE CRANK (WHICH RELEASED IN 2010 IN INDIA)

    many detest the looks of the new r1. many say the new r1 looks absolutely fine and performs perfect.. but what bout the probs which the prev model had?? have they really been rectified??? is the new r1 just a face lift of the old r1 with some motogp crank??? or is it really a bike which could scare the other mortals out of its league?? is the new r1 really a bike worth going for or has it just given up to evolve into a better bike?
    A BIKE ON THE ROAD IS WORTH TWO IN THE SHED

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      With your budget of 8L getting a 2010 R1 is out of the question (unless of course your getting it financed) You can get a well maintained Stock 2008 R1 for 7L-7.5L+ in Bangalore.

      There are quite a few ownership and ride reports on both the bikes here.

      2008 is a Hooligan. Handles well, but under hard runs can cause headshakes as the front gets very light as it's prone to power wheelies and wobbles a little due to uneven surfaces of the road in the lower gears but the steering damper on the bike does it's job well enough and once you get used to the way it handles you'll know what to do to ensure a smooth ride. Stable enough to be ridden hard at all speeds and around corners.

      2010 does it better in all departments (sans the heat, top speed and weight) but handles extremely well and is more stable. 2010 has 3 modes which works to your advantage especially in the city. B mode makes it easy and fun to ride the bike in the city. It's heavier but feels light enough and can tackle corners at triple digits read 200+ with ease!

      Make sure you inspect the bike thoroughly before you bike. It's service history, gather info on how it has been used and maintained by the owner. Any crashes and replacements/repairs on the same. Good luck with the purchase.

      Regarding Heating:

      There are no issues with the bike. The heating problem is there on all R1s and notable here on the 2008 and seemingly more on the 2010. It's not some kind of malfunction. Just that the deltabox heats and burns through your legs and 'private areas' and the underseat exhaust aids the heating process especially in slow moving city traffic. On the highways there's absolutely no issues. In my city in midst of summer I found 2010 to bet hotter than the 2008. Experiences can vary. But just FYI I've burnt the skin on my legs through my jeans a couple of times on the 2008.

      A word of Caution:

      If you've not ridden any SBK before or are clueless to the fact how insanely powerful they can be and this is your first one, go easy on the throttle, wear plenty of gear and don't ride on sand and always go easy on the throttle and avoid hard runs till you get used to the bike and the way it handles. If you are careless a liter class will throw you off the saddle before you know it.

      P.S. Avoid taking pillions till your comfortable on the bike and those who don't understand your instructions on how to properly sit on the bike and hold on to it during accelerations and MOST IMPORTANTLY during braking. The moment they start sleeping on your back for support (and if they are heavy) your arms n back will be screwed.

      On a personal note, I love the 08. But given a choice I'd buy the 2010. The crossplane works it's magic all too well and overall it's a great package. The bike may be down on power compared to it's rivals but holds it's own against them. A great bike to ride and Bangy weather should be easy on ya.

      You can talk to some of the litre class owners here for a thorough review. These are just my impressions from having spent some 'considerable' time on these bikes.

      If you are going for a new one. Please do consider the CBR 1000RR and refer TenHut's thread and Fireblah's thread. Another VFM bike without the heating problems and more user friendly compared to the R1.
      Last edited by KwokFist; 12-01-2010, 07:56 PM.
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      • #4
        @harishks01: If your budget is 8L, then 2010 R1 is way out of your budget. It would be very hard to source a secondhand seller. '10 R1 isn't just a facelift, it get's a whole new mill with cross-plane crank and uneven firing order to reduce internal torque. Several changes have been made to the frame and suspension to improve the handling! It's worth the buy!

        But like Kwofist said, also explorer the competing 1000RR or the GSX-R 1000

        @Kwofist: No offence, but bhwahahahha!! bhwhahahaha!! 'considerable' time.... bhwhahaha!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by awesomeo View Post
          @harishks01: If your budget is 8L, then 2010 R1 is way out of your budget. It would be very hard to source a secondhand seller. '10 R1 isn't just a facelift, it get's a whole new mill with cross-plane crank and uneven firing order to reduce internal torque. Several changes have been made to the frame and suspension to improve the handling! It's worth the buy!

          But like Kwofist said, also explorer the competing 1000RR or the GSX-R 1000

          @Kwofist: No offence, but bhwahahahha!! bhwhahahaha!! 'considerable' time.... bhwhahaha!!
          I've said what the thread starter needed to know from own personal account and not some copy pasted info freely available on the internet.

          No offence taken atleast not from someone who hasn't even ridden anything remotely close to a Litre class SBK.

          @Harish: Be sure to check out the GSX-R1000 now that it's legally available.

          Cheers!
          Last edited by KwokFist; 12-02-2010, 12:57 AM.
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            @Kwofist: I didn't mean to offend you, you don't have to get personal. You think I haven't ridden a super bike, keep thinking that way. I have nothing to prove or brag about. Maybe because I don't go around flaunting and pasting images around the web.

            For obvious intentions

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            • #7
              How many of you super bike owners can take corners at 200kmph? Apparently some can, we need some help on taking corners

              "Can tackle corners at triple digits read 200+ with ease"

              I don't want to make things personal, and I don't really mean to retaliate, but I just want to rest my case on this one

              bhwahhahaha!! LMAO!!

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              • #8
                Thread topic looked too good to enter but now its takes another turn when I came in. can we stick to topic and learn/teach something .

                @KwokFist - nice write up there.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by harishks01 View Post
                  hello friends
                  im planning on buyin the r1. im a little worried bout the heating issues.. i would not want to ve myself fried on long drives. but then again i dont ve a choice. with the budget of 8lak i guess r1 is the only legal bike i can get in tis country.(CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG)
                  so i want to kick out the debate which is running on every r1 rider'S MIND...

                  WHICH R1 IS BETTER THE 2008 R1 OR THE 2009 R1 WITH THE ADVANCED CROSS PLANE CRANK (WHICH RELEASED IN 2010 IN INDIA)

                  many detest the looks of the new r1. many say the new r1 looks absolutely fine and performs perfect.. but what bout the probs which the prev model had?? have they really been rectified??? is the new r1 just a face lift of the old r1 with some motogp crank??? or is it really a bike which could scare the other mortals out of its league?? is the new r1 really a bike worth going for or has it just given up to evolve into a better bike?
                  Hi Harish,

                  R1 isnt the only legal bike around. You get sbk's from honda and sizuki as well. The 2010 r1 would surely be out of your budget but im sure you'll get a good example of a 08 for 8L or less. I know a person in chennai who was selling off his 2010 1000rr for 9.5L nego. The bike had run less than 1k kms and the owner being a shippy didnt have time to ride it.

                  Originally posted by KwokFist
                  2008 is a Hooligan. Handles well, but under hard runs can cause headshakes as the front gets very light as it's prone to power wheelies and wobbles a little
                  This happens with the 2010 as well and practiclly all the new-age litre class bikes and even some smaller ones. Its a known fact that under hard acceleration the front lifts and gets light.

                  Originally posted by KwokFist
                  2010 does it better in all departments (sans the heat, top speed and weight) but handles extremely well and is more stable. 2010 has 3 modes which works to your advantage especially in the city. B mode makes it easy and fun to ride the bike in the city. It's heavier but feels light enough and can tackle corners at triple digits read 200+ with ease!
                  Originally posted by KwokFist
                  I've said what the thread starter needed to know from own personal account and not some copy pasted info freely available on the internet.
                  You cant be serious! As per the owner you rode the bike a few days after he bought it. it had done just a few hundred kms at that point of time. Dont tell me you rode someone elses brand new bike at 200+kmph and even cornered on it! But seriously, could you please let me know where you found a corner good enough to take at 200+ in DK. We would love to take our bikes and cars there for some runs. Plus im sure the road is not a public road as we are all responsible people and we wouldnt try such speeds on public roads in DK. Oh wait! You probably rode it on some track. How silly of me! LOL


                  Originally posted by KwokFist
                  Make sure you inspect the bike thoroughly before you bike. It's service history, gather info on how it has been used and maintained by the owner. Any crashes and replacements/repairs on the same
                  Very sound advice but again, its easier said than done! We know a chap in our town who convinced an old bloke to lend him his r1. He then started riding it around like the rear end was on fire and often updated his FB status msg to inform his friends that he popped a wheelie at 270 and how ridin around at 200+ the entire day was so much fun. He even had the audacity to break some stuff on the bike and keep mum about it. Finally a few weeks, a coupla 100's of kms, coupla burnouts, wheelies and a bald rear tyre later, the bike was returned to the owner following which he sold it. Now harish, this is just an example for you. The new owner would never get to hear what the bike has been through. All he would know is that its an official bike with a slight service history. So you'll need to do the background check and then make a move.

                  Originally posted by KwokFist
                  Please do consider the CBR 1000RR and refer TenHut's thread and Fireblah's thread.
                  I second this!

                  Originally posted by thegame0012
                  Thread topic looked too good to enter but now its takes another turn when I came in. can we stick to topic and learn/teach something .
                  hi there, we are all for sharing knoledge but when somene puts across something that seems to be nothing more than a ' good nights dream', its upto fellow members to step in and guide the thread starter in the right direction.

                  Originally posted by awesomeo
                  No offence, but bhwahahahha!! bhwhahahaha!! 'considerable' time.... bhwhahaha!!
                  I think i know what you mean!!

                  Cheers!
                  Last edited by James; 12-02-2010, 08:54 AM. Reason: typos!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by James View Post
                    You cant be serious! As per the owner you rode the bike a few days after he bought it. it had done just a few hundred kms at that point of time. Dont tell me you rode someone elses brand new bike at 200+kmph and even cornered on it! But seriously, could you please let me know where you found a corner good enough to take at 200+ in DK. We would love to take our bikes and cars there for some runs. Plus im sure the road is not a public road as we are all responsible people and we wouldnt try such speeds on public roads in DK. Oh wait! You probably rode it on some track. How silly of me! LOL

                    Ofcourse this coming from someone who rides and drives like its the end of the world. Not just on your own bikes and cars but those of your friends.

                    Very sound advice but again, its easier said than done! We know a chap in our town who convinced an old bloke to lend him his r1. He then started riding it around like the rear end was on fire and often updated his FB status msg to inform his friends that he popped a wheelie at 270 and how ridin around at 200+ the entire day was so much fun. He even had the audacity to break some stuff on the bike and keep mum about it. Finally a few weeks, a coupla 100's of kms, coupla burnouts, wheelies and a bald rear tyre later, the bike was returned to the owner following which he sold it. Now harish, this is just an example for you. The new owner would never get to hear what the bike has been through. All he would know is that its an official bike with a slight service history. So you'll need to do the background check and then make a move.
                    Well I understand your personal vendetta against me. But crap balling the thread with things right out of your imagination just to undermine me is not going to work. I was offered to ride the R1 a few times and I took it up. Gave it back to the owner the way it was given to me after a nice wash and a coat of polish and almost a year later wrote a ride impression about it here so please get your facts right!

                    That said I've known you long enough to realize that you just love to cough up a rant. So be it. I rest my case here.
                    Last edited by KwokFist; 12-02-2010, 01:38 PM.
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                    • #11
                      *Keyboard Warrior alert!*

                      BTW, nice of you to edit your last post every 30-40mins as and when things strike you!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by James View Post
                        *Keyboard Warrior alert!*

                        BTW, nice of you to edit your last post every 30-40mins as and when things strike you!
                        Was only trying to be nice and not get offensive.
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                        • #13
                          first of all thank u guys for ur info

                          KwokFist: thank you for ur detailed info on the heating issues.. u burnt your legs through your jeans???? that is scary

                          KwokFist,james,awesomeo: thank u guys.. i know that my budget would never get me a k10 r1. but i was hoping just hoping if i got a used k10 r1( common guys it doesn't hurt to dream).
                          and i want to go for a used showroom bought bike because of the grey bike scare. a used showroom invoice k8 r1 is easily avaible now a days.. i personally prefer the k10 r1 for its technology (nothin else) but do u think i can get a used showroom k10 r1??? i so wish i could get a new one
                          i love the gixxer. what a bike!! but the bike releasd to india only 6 months back.. so getting a gixxer is out of the question.
                          cbr1000rr personally i fell is the more sober of the japs sbks.. it delivers power so smoothly.. but gettin a used cbr is so much more difiicult.. correct me if im wrong.

                          @james: how i wish i got that new cbr of ur friend.

                          after everythin said and done finding a bike in a condition is a daunting task... this is somethin everythin boils down to. i do understand tat there are several accident bikes out there. and several other bikes wich is rigged to show a low running milleage.
                          well the truth is im gettin really paranoid about gettin the bike. being my 1st sbk i want no legal probs or even mechanical (i understand tat a bike without mech probs is impossibl but hope u get the point). i want it to be of value to what im paying..

                          so basically im going for an r1 because i don't ve choice. or is there?? i ve the money but its of no use to me now. as im not able to finalise..
                          so is there any choice i can make?? i hope there is a good bike made for me.. my preference would be an r1 or gixxer.. no offence to the cbr1000rr.

                          i ve even thought of going for new naked bike.. but then i like faired sbk.. y buy and then regret. cbr1000r the yamahafz1(wich is comin to bangalore on dec) even the ducati monster

                          and yes guys i pledge to ride responsible and with all the gears..
                          taking turns at 200kmph????? forget taking turn at 200kmph... i ll first learn to control tis beast at 50kmph

                          common guys why squabble over small things.. after all we are bros who share the common passion to biking.
                          A BIKE ON THE ROAD IS WORTH TWO IN THE SHED

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                          • #14
                            You are very right about the cbr being sober and not as aggressive as the r1 and gixxer. You seem to have done your homework and know what kinda bike you want. Buying a big bike in this country is a big decision and by the looks of it, you are on the right path.
                            Keep looking for a 08 R1 and do as much research as possible on the bike. Thats probablly gonna be the toughest thing to do.
                            You can also try getting a 2-3yr old gsx etc that came down on TR.
                            Does anyone know what happened to the bike that the dri was supposed to have auctioned a month or so ago? Someone on tbhp picked-up a bike from them. You might want to try that route as well.

                            Cheers!!
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                            • #15
                              There was a Legal 09/10 Honda CBR that I know of that was supposedly up for sale. But the quoted price was out of my friends budget so we didn't follow up on that. It may be near impossible to find a pre-owned CBR so early in B'lore.

                              And like James said keep searching till you find a good one since you know what your needs are. Explore the TR options as well but check the paperwork thoroughly. Also look for CBR/R1 brought down via TR. But since these days you can get a show-room legal pre-owned R1 for 7-8L easily that makes it an ideal option.

                              There is a thread here packed with info regarding the paperwork for gray bikes. So do look it up and read through it if your interested.

                              All the best with your search and when you do get your bike do post up some pics and do tell us about it.

                              Cheers!
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